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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Places to find tropical fruit in NY
« on: September 15, 2013, 01:40:37 PM »
Ok, so when i found a mamey sapote at apna bazaar, i decided against making a "Had my first mamey" thread and made this one instead. This is a list for any fellow new yorkers (long island area, near queens area, but some of these are a bit of a distance from queens) who are feeling tropical-less and need a quick fix.  ;D

Patel Brothers in Hicksville:

Have found mangoes, avocados, lychee, longan, rambutan, persimmon, sugar apple, starfruit, sapodilla, jackfruit (cut and whole), papaya, indian jujube, probably a couple  more that i can't remember at the moment.

Apna bazaar in hicksville:

Have found mangos, avocados, lychee, persimmon, starfruit, jackfruit (cut and whole), papaya, Mamey sapote, dragon fruit, prickly pear, chinese jujube, fragrant pear, probably a couple  more that i can't remember at the moment.

Gold city chinese supermarket in queens:

The one time i went there, saw mangoostan, longan, lychee, durian (frozen then thawed), and maybe fragrant pears.

There are probably more, and anyone who lives in NY and knows some places please post!! and i'm not against making this a "places to find tropical fruit in the northern U.S." thread either, if you live in a tropically deprived place and know of a couple of havens for fellow addicts, go ahead!

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So, weird question, at least it seems that way. Last week i dared to venture into Gold City chinese supermarket on long island (the smell was HORRID, i'm both vegetarian and allergic to seafood, and guess what they had at the entrance??) as i ventured in, however, i noticed something astonishing. MANGOSTEEN! in little net bags for 7.99 a pound. However, i have no clue whether it is in season, i looked it up after and it seems like yes, it is. Also, i wandered a bit further in, and i saw, in all these mesh bags, DURIANS. real, live durians.

So, of course i want to try one. BUt are durians going to be any good now? i thought that the season was over, right? Also, are the durians that are wrapped in the yellow mesh bags frozen or fresh? or variable? also, how would i tell if a durian is good? all the info online seems to assume that i am in thailand with piles of fresh durians that have fallen off the tree yesterday.

(also, i did hold one up to my nose and smell it. It wasn't a bad odor. not bad at all. In fact, i would even call it good. Sort of a nice spring smell, sharp with a nice hint of rotting leaves. Which in itself may not be good but i have good memories associated with spring. Like the end of winter. I think it may smell worse 1000 times amplified being cut open, but i don't think i would have the grossly exaggerated reactions of people on the internet (and television). And i'm a teenager, born and raised in america, in the twenty first century! with indian blood, granted, but come on people!)

Next, mangosteen. How should it feel? firm, soft, rock hard? i'm truly clueless. And is this a good time to buy? the only mangosteen i've had was when i was like 8 visiting india. I ate one hat must have been picked right off the tree 5 seconds ago In fact, i remember seeing the guy cart them from the farm. And i don't remember the actual taste, look, or texture one tiny bit  :( >:( :(.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Had my first longan!!!
« on: September 02, 2013, 10:39:13 AM »
I never thought that i would ever find a longan in long island, but i guess patel brothers is just cool like that. They also had rambutans, lychee, carambola, sugar apple...

I don't have pics right now, will get them later.

To me, the  longan tasted EXACTLY like Palmyra (sugar palm, toddy palm, nungu). THe resemblance was uncanny, to  say the least.

All in all, really darn good fruit. Compared to lychee? They are really too different for me to compare.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Recommendations for grafting knives?
« on: August 22, 2013, 01:29:44 PM »
Hi. Does anyone have recommendations for a decent quality grafting knife that won't leave a wallet too much lighter? I wan't to get into grafting but i lack any sort of a good knife i can use.

Also, how would i go about sharpening a grafting knife? Are there any sharpeners out there that i can buy?

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This is from the morton book:

Quote
In the past, growers preferred plants that supplied abundant basal slips for planting, not recognizing the fact that such plants gave smaller fruits than those without slips or suckers. Also, breeders aim toward elimination of slips to facilitate harvesting. Because of the increased demand for planting material, a new method of mass propagation received wide attention in 1960. During the harvest, plants that have borne single-crowned, superior fruits without basal slips are selected and marked. Following harvest, these plants are cut close to the ground, the leaves are stripped off and the stems—usually 1 to 2 ft (30-60 cm) long and 3 to 4 in (7.5-10 cm) thick—are sliced lengthwise into 4 triangular strips. The strips are disinfected and placed 4 in (10 cm) apart, with exterior side upward, in beds of sterilized soil, semi-shaded and sprinkler-irrigated. Shoots emerge in 3 to 5 weeks and are large enough to transplant to the nursery in 6 to 8 weeks. 'Smooth Cayenne' yields an average of 3 shoots per slice. 'Red Spanish' and 'Natal Queen', 4 per slice.

This use of the stem is a major improvement over the former practice of allowing it to develop suckers high up after the fruit is harvested. If such suckers bear fruit in situ they are not strong enough to support it and collapse. They are better removed for planting, but repeated removal of suckers weakens the mother plant.

In Sri Lanka, the shortage of planting material inspired experiments at first utilizing stem cross-sections 1 in (2.5 cm) thick—15 to 24 from each stem. These sprouted in 4 weeks but plant growth was slow and fruiting was delayed for 30 months. Most of the cuttings developed a single sprout, some as many as 5, others, none at all. Accordingly, this technique was abandoned in favor of a system developed for purposes of reproducing a selected strain in Hawaii. Stems are cut into segments bearing 3 to 5 whorls of leaves. The leaves are trimmed to 4 to 5 in (10-12.5 cm) and the disinfected cuttings set upright in beds until each gives rise to one strong plantlet which is then transferred to the nursery.

The butts, or bases, of mother plants, with leaves intact, are laid end to end in furrows in nurseries and covered with 2 to 3 in (5-7.5 cm) of soil. Sprouting occurs in 6 to 8 weeks. The butts give an average of 6 suckers each, though some have put forth up to 25. A one-acre (0.4 ha) nursery of 25,000 butts, therefore, yields between 100,000 and 200,000 suckers.


Anyone ever tried any of these methods??

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How to germinate a Jujube seed?
« on: August 18, 2013, 11:47:30 AM »
Hello all. I recently found some jujube fruits at my local patel brothers. They were green, but i believe they were mature and the seed inside was large and brown, so i believe it is viable.

I have heard that these seeds need stratification, and i have also heard that you can avoid this by cracking the seed shell. What should i do?

Also, should i dry these seeds before planting or should i avoid letting it dry out?

Thanks!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / My meyer lemon is blooming
« on: August 17, 2013, 09:43:28 PM »
Hey all. I'm happy to say that my little meyer lemon, after a hard root pruning and transplanting, is now blooming. There is a little cluster of flowers on one end of a branch, as well as a little fruit on another. PIcs coming tomorrow, it's night right now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / The Hunt for the "EVIARC Sweet" Jackfruit
« on: August 14, 2013, 05:47:28 PM »
Hello all. As posted on the "jackfruit tree" thread, the EVIARC Sweet is a new cultivar of jackfruit that seems to be of top quality. Here are some links detailing this jackfruit:

http://archive.malaya.com.ph/2011/May/may16/agri1.html

http://www.freshplaza.com/news_detail.asp?id=80409

So right now, i'm trying to see if i can find a source and get scionwood for this cultivar. For me, this is sort of an experiment, and if the cost gets too high, I may bail out, fair warning. But right now, it is turning out to be impossibly hard to even find it. What i've done so far:

Email the Department of Agriculture in the Philippines. No reply for 2 weeks, i tried again yesterday, let's see what happens.

Try to contact EVIARC. Unfortunately, their email address apparently does not exist. Gmail says that delivery permanently failed. That sucks.

I found a lead saying that the University of the Eastern Philippines and the Visayas State University have this jackfruit in their collections. The contact information page on the VSU site is a broken link, and UEP does not have a home page. However, i have found an email address online and i shall try it now.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2 Very Different Jackfruit Seedlings.
« on: August 14, 2013, 11:28:12 AM »
Hey there all. I have 2 jackfruit seedlings, one from an orange fleshed fruit and one from a yellow fleshed fruit, but they both look very different to the point whether i am not sure if it is within the natural variation within this species.

Yellow seedling:






Orange seedling:







As you can see, the orange seedling has very different leaves, a bit almost fuzzy seeming, but not quite, and is a lot more dull green-gray colored.

Is this within the normal variation, or is there something else here?

Note, i have no clue where the original fruit were grown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / something i found regarding patents
« on: August 10, 2013, 09:41:44 PM »
THis was discussed a bit in a previous thread but it's a bit old so here is a link to it:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=3274.0;nowap

There was a little discussion about patents and seeds, and here is a paragraph i found on the subject:

Rights Conveyed by a Plant Patent

Grant of a patent for a plant precludes others from asexually reproducing or selling or using the patented plant. A plant patent is regarded as limited to one plant, or genome. A sport or mutant of a patented plant would not be considered to be of the same genotype, would not be covered by the plant patent to the parent plant, and would, itself, be separately patentable, subject to meeting the requirements of patentability. A plant patent expires 20 years from the filing date of the patent application. As with utility applications, when the plant patent expires, the subject matter of the patent becomes public domain.


It was found here:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/plant/

If you read the passage, you will notice that it mentions nothing about sexual reproduction, only about cloning. This leads me to believe that seeds are not protected by a patent.

Any opinions?

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The picture is of a kent seedling that had it'stop fried off during a heat wave that we had. THe growing tip was kaput,so i left it to die, thinking "the plant is 3 inches tall and has no growing tip. It's a goner."

I come back now,a week later, and am eating my words.

I Didn't know it was possible for a tree so small to branch out, but, who am i to deny evidence? I hope that this will, in the long rum, make for a more compact tree  :).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pictures like these...
« on: August 05, 2013, 09:19:50 PM »
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7XNCDjNA1hE/TujAsrIBg7I/AAAAAAAABLk/U44Wp2ZF3Dw/s320/bw-fruits-tree-.png

That's a durian. Doesn't that just make you steam? Some people have all the luck.
Full article: http://durianinfo.blogspot.com/p/why-prune-durian.html

I don't even know if i like durian, but i want that tree so bad... >:( :( >:( :( >:( :( ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? >:( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :blank: :blank: :blank:

ahh well. Maybe ill try to fruit one in a container. And fail. At least it will be a nice diversion, if i can get a grafted tree.  ??? Yeah, not happening.

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Hello all. Can someone tell me what the top rambutan varieties are? i have a few seedlings that i may want to graft in a ear or so. I just want to be prepared for when i start poking around for budwood  :)

Also, can pulasan be grafted onto rambutan? i would like it if i could have a pulasan tree.

Oh, another question. Morton book says rambutans cannot be air layered. Is this true? i was planning on air layering any seeds that sprout and multiplying my stock so i can graft more stuff. does this mean that this is not possible?

Thanks!!!


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Are all solo papayas hermaphrodites?
« on: July 24, 2013, 10:43:45 AM »
HEy all! i just managed to germinate some waimanalo dwarf papaya seeds, a solo variety, i believe. I have heard that all solo papayas are hermaphrodites. Is this true? Would i be safe in thinning my plants to one with a guarantee of fruit being produced or should i try to separate the seedlings so i have a chance of getting both male and female plants?

Picture of seedlings:




As of today, i have 5 in that little cup.

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From Morton book:

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In India, double-grafting has been found to dwarf mango trees and induce early fruiting.

so, if i planted a couple ataulfo seeds, grafted on, say pickering, and grafted on something else, would i get a dwarf tree?

Would pickering work for this? i believe it would, for obvious reasons.

What do you guys think?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What is the "white mango"
« on: July 23, 2013, 10:59:41 AM »
I keep hearing references to this fruit. From what i hear, it is rare and has a strawberry taste?

is this another mangifera species or is this just a different variety of M. indica?

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Indian Condo Mango Varieties?
« on: July 21, 2013, 10:18:06 AM »
Hello all. I have decided on getting a pickering before I get any other mango, but i want to be informed for when the real bug kicks in.  :D

What condo mangoes (anything that an be managed in a pot) have a real, indian mango flavor? Im talking in your face, im a mango and i know it flavor. no coconut or citrus wannabes.

The description for Alampur Baneshan on PIN seems good, but is it really a condo mango? they have lanciletta listed, and i have heard that it is very vigourus.

So lets have it! What varieties Do you know?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Nurseries in Mobile, AL?
« on: July 19, 2013, 08:42:10 PM »
Hey all. I am going to mobile in a month or so, and iwant to buy somefruit trees when i am there to bring back to NY. for that, well, i need a nursery. So does anyone know any good nurseries in or near Mobile? Pensacola, FL is good to, maybe.

Thanks!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Let's Talk (edible) Artocarpus
« on: July 13, 2013, 09:42:33 AM »
Hello. I thought I would make a thread just for all edible artocarpus and artocarpus relatives. Wat artocarpus have you Tasted, and how were they?

HEre is my contribution:

A. heterophyllus, Heaven

Anyone else?

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Hi all. I have a bunch of tropical seeds i want to start, and i want to use gibberellin to help start them. I want to get it from amazon, but what product should i get? Any tips? also, What concentration should i use?

And a couple other questions. Is it better to, in general, try to get seeds to sprout using the baggie method and then transfer to soil or to just start in soil? What conditions are preferred, and what mix should i use?

Thanks for any help!

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Hi all. I just got a new pineapple plant from FHN, so it's TC. it's a good 13 inches (5 more than advertised!!) but some of the outer leaves and all of the inner leaves are red in color. it seems more concentrated towards the bottom and less so towards the top. Is this a problem or just some sort of stress? What do i need to do to make it go away? less water, more water, less sun, more sun?

Edit: here are some pictures:









Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / WHAT IS THIS (GREEN) LYCHEE!!??
« on: June 24, 2013, 10:46:35 AM »
This lychee is heaven, to put it at the least. And, it is GREEN! i thought that this was unripe when i saw it in the store, but it was soft so we bought a few. BTW, sorry for the poor quality pictures, taken on my phone. also, i had no clue how to do some of the fancy shots that other people do with the lychee being split open, but i did my best.

A bit about it:

The lychee is GREEN with a red blush. It is the kind that EXPLODES with juice when you open it. it was SWEET with NO astringency whatsoever. ok, maybe a tiny, tiny bit. But i didn't pay attention to that. i naturally saved every seed  :) Also, the skin was a bit on the tough side and was very rough, with lots of projections.

SO WHAT IS IT?

Pictures:


















By the way, there were plenty of fruits where there was a rather large undeveloped lychee next to the big one. It seems to be very common in this variety.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any good nurseries on sarasota?
« on: June 23, 2013, 04:16:19 PM »
Hello. My dad might be heading down to sarasota in a couple of months on business, and he may be able to stop by at some nurseries here and get some plants for us here  :) . however, all the big nurseries seem to be in miami. Are there any in sarasota? THanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Which sapodilla is better for containers?
« on: June 22, 2013, 09:56:35 AM »
Hello. I am planning to buy a sapodilla tree, but it will have to be container grown. so, which variety do you reccomend? i am deciding between alano and makok. it seems that alano has better flavor but makok is more suited for containers. will alano grow well in containers? i dont care about fruit size, only tree size, precociousness, and TASTE! that is why i would prefer to grow alano if it is as precocious and small as makok. i know that makok ill bear fruit small and stay small, but i am not sure about alano. so will alano grow small? which one should i chose?

Thanks!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Will atemoyas come true to type?
« on: June 14, 2013, 04:54:44 PM »
Hello. I have heard some conflicting information on atemoya seeds. DO they come true to type? i haveheard that old generations of atemoyas are used for breeding new generations, but if the seeds revert, how does this happen? are they stable or not? thanks.

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