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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangoes in San Diego
« on: October 06, 2023, 01:56:01 AM »
This time of year specialty produce can carry Valencia pride, if they have them, they're good ones.

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Raul describes the ilamas he found in Coatepec as, juicy

I ate probably 30-40 different fruits from various sellers in El Salvador and not one was ever "juicy" and would drip. Not going to say they were dry, but probably not even white sapote levels of moisture. More moist than a mamey, I guess, but not by much. Fluffy is a better description, for me.

I have a simply insane amount of seeds, so I have plenty of chances. I'll sell some if anyone wants to try. Tried to keep seeds only of the very best ones.

Is it "fluffy" like inga? Sometimes Inga are described as juicy, especially ones with high brix that trigger salivation (think cotton candy).

I had grown a seedling which I eventually grafted onto a cherimoya rootstock. It gave only a handful of fruits over the years. And the flowers did not accept cherimoya or atemoya pollens.  I thought it has the sweetness and texture of a sweet potatoe in a not so good way. Mind you this was a seedling and not a named cultivar which probably is much superior. In addition, mine never cracked it would just drop. From what I heard it's best when it cracks.  Which worries me a bit also, as crack cherimoya and atemoya here tends to get moldy before ripening here in my area. So that is interesting for ilama.

When it comes to Anona, texture plays a big part.  Most Asians consider the atemoya superior due to texture. As it is more firm and pleasantly chewy.  If you do not like this texture you would call it rubbery, chewy in bad way, and scallopy lol.  For most American western pallette the cherimoya is superior and the texture is describe as pleasantly custardly. Those that don't like it will call it mushy baby food, lol.  With that said I don't know many with a western taste bud that will pay $15 to $20 a lb for cherimoyas except fruitnuts like us.  While many asians easily pay this for a quality atemoya.  So depending on texture, I could see why asians would not like the ilama.

My perfect Anona would be one with all the superior cherimoya flavors but the texture of a atemoya or firm sweetsop. It took me some years to get past that bit of atemoya aftertaste that reminds a little of rubber, lol. I think it comes from the sweetsop genes and i still taste this in any hybrids. I grow mostly atemoya now.  But if anyone has a pure genetic cherimoya with a atemoya texture, let me know.

I've never had a pure cherimoya with that texture, but plenty of the 3/4 moya's will have it, and they seem to thrive in the intense heat waves of east county. Probably the best choice for targeting that market. (I enjoy the Jak texture too)

That aftertaste is what I describe as phenolic. It's a common defect in coffee, and can remind people of things like strawberry flavor added to those rubber balloons you used to buy at convenience stores and inflate on the end of the straw.  Some people appreciate the flavor, but I can understand why you'd be more inclined to find that bubblegum or Pierce type flavor.

I have a moya with the bubblegum flavor which isn't consistent, it needs to be evaluated for a few more years, but it can have a firmer texture, but not as firm as the 3/4 moyas, which all seem to have that flavor you dislike to some extent.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Cherimoya Seed(lings) Chaffey
« on: October 03, 2023, 03:43:50 PM »
Yes, I'm looking to zone push, so the suspected zone tolerance would be a plus (as rootstock).

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Cherimoya Seed(lings) Chaffey
« on: October 02, 2023, 09:02:37 PM »
Looking for Chaffey seed or seedlings. Open to trades as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduction and Cherilata in Bay Area?
« on: September 29, 2023, 10:04:29 PM »
Mark Lee is in a perpetually cloudy and cool area of San Diego, and his cherilata fruits.
I'm not sure how highly he rates it, but he also probably receives many more heat units than those in the bay area.

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Pretty sure it will work out if you tried to grow it.

Give it a go!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Real name for Birula atemoya?
« on: September 27, 2023, 10:47:02 AM »
I LOL'd.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Old Cherimoya Trees
« on: September 24, 2023, 09:46:06 PM »
I've not seen old trees, the oldest I've seen is a big one in El Cajon.

The literature says that the older trees are susceptible to nematodes, and the one I'm thinking of is in heavier soil which seems to prevent the nematodes from doing too well.

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This is close to the coast too, I've seen it do well inland, good to know it has a wide range where it thrives.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Odd looking feijoa
« on: September 21, 2023, 11:16:52 PM »
I'll be bringing it to wetter WA. It's easier to see in person than to capture in photos.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this Atemoya or cherimoya?
« on: September 21, 2023, 01:24:44 PM »
It's a cherimoya, there are 5 major physiological expressions, this one is mammillata type.


Atemoyas can vary quite a bit in appearance, so it's difficult to make generalizations about identity based on appearance.

Cherimoyas tend towards much more regular appearance.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Keit mango this big normally?
« on: September 12, 2023, 10:04:54 PM »
One of them was ripe so I cut it. It was super sweet.
My taste buds are very sensitive to sweet since I am more into non sweet chocolate and got used to it.
I am surprised that Keit mango is not only gigantic but also taste so good. Why don't  people rave about it?

I'm a fan, but there are other varieties that many prefer.
The lemony musk that Keitt is not something you find in the newer, more widely hyped mangoes, and the shelf life of Keitt is also not common.

If you try some of the newer, less nuanced, more candy sweet intense ones, you'll see why. A candy-like fruit really draws people in, but I'm right there with you, some subtlety and nuance goes a lot further with me.

You may enjoy Maha Chanok. It's not as sweet as the newer types, but it has more subtlety, and when grown in SoCal, some of the fruit are excellent and have parsnip and durio flavors. It can also produce multiple crops like Keitt.

That said, it's a mono type, so you will want to graft it to established rootstock, which is a game for the most patient, 4-7 year wait time.

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The tape will break down over time, no need to remove.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 11, 2023, 09:42:58 PM »
Preventing people from stealing fruit off my trees is pretty simple for me. I always plant them in the back yard inside a 6' fence. If my trees were out in front by the road I would rightfully expect that some people would come by and help themselves. Same as if I always left the keys in my truck, it would soon be gone.

That might be a south Florida thing, I don't see that happening everywhere.

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It's a big bummer, especially citrus, but there are quite a few other things you can grow without bagging.

I like passionfruit too, and mangoes and atemoya hybrids are still good choices depending on region.

Guavas are always a hit too, and pomegranate can do some of what citrus could juice wise.

I'd get on the feijoa train, they're extremely carefree, and can be better than figs in many senses, while still not a direct replacement.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Keit mango this big normally?
« on: September 11, 2023, 02:43:32 AM »
You're best bet is planting the Manila now and grafting it when it's established. Much better results than buying a grafted tree.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Keit mango this big normally?
« on: September 09, 2023, 11:06:18 PM »
what? This is just a baby? :o
I may not be able to finish a whole mango in a day if that gets bigger.

Yeah, Kents are normally 1.5 to 2 lbs, and that Keitt only looks around 1.5 lb.

The normal size for the early ones is 2-3 lbs each, the late ones are typically 1 lb, but much higher in quality.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Keit mango this big normally?
« on: September 09, 2023, 05:05:17 PM »
That's a baby, but it's early crop, the late ones are the good ones.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 09, 2023, 05:02:23 PM »
You could rely on karma.

Karma being an electric fence.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taiwan Trip
« on: September 08, 2023, 01:26:59 AM »
I really like the fermented stuff like black plums and black vinegar ginger, but I'm sure most would call that stuff an acquired taste. I think the cured stuff may be able to be brought back.

If you dare, try stinky tofu.  I think it is their national food.

If I ever find some, I'm down.

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San Diego gets similar water amounts, and similar heat. I let them establish with two or three waterings over summer. Then once established, I don't water at all. The tree will abort fruit it can't hold, but the quality improves dramatically.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: September 06, 2023, 02:48:55 PM »
In the rare event of multiple seed in the husk of a mono type, Har pointed out before that it's rare, but no different from twins.

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I'm familiar with two types referred to as lemon guava. One is a close relative of strawberry guava. The other is a larger fruit which is lemon shaped and has high acidity. It has excellent eating qualities and is a strong producer. Unfortunately the skin is quite thin and they don't ship well but they are excellent for fresh eating and processing and they appear to be true to seed.

Sorry it didn't work out for you Greg. I know the difficulty of trying to locate true mexican cream guavas.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Mango Seed(lings)
« on: September 05, 2023, 09:12:26 PM »
I'm interested in either mango seed or seedlings of M4 or E4.

I'm in AL, so shipping from either FL or CA is fine.

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You got the right idea, inarch trifolate, no sense in using tristeza sensitive rootstocks in Socal.

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