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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade => Topic started by: Gouralata on June 04, 2012, 11:42:27 AM
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Hi, I'm looking for seeds of Annonidium mannii and other African jungle fruits as Trichoscypha, Landolphia, Nauclea, Lavigeria, Dioscoreophyllum, ...
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ya, put me down for some seeds to!
I've been looking for A. mannii.
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Hi, I'm looking for seeds of Annonidium mannii and other African jungle fruits as Trichoscypha, Landolphia, Nauclea, Lavigeria, Dioscoreophyllum, ...
I have Landolphia comorensis vines. As soon as they fruit will add it to my seed list.
(http://fruitlovers.com/Gallery1/LandolphiaComorensis.jpg)
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^ That looks like some kind of oyster gone wrong :P
Hope they taste better than they look!
-Luke
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ya, put me down for some seeds to!
I've been looking for A. mannii.
I'm in for some of these too.....
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Anonidium mannii grow next door in DR Congo and are in season during March - feel free to sponsor my airticket from Uganda and I will pick some seeds ;D
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For sponsoring I think you have to dream a lot but thank you about the fruit season information. I know you're interested by Salacca zalacca and may be Salacca Wallichiana. Tell me if it's true may be we can find a solution for exchange seeds.
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Well, let me just say it would not make sense to start discussing a trade for seeds. I don't know any cultivators who are growing this species, and I believe it is top of the list among most serious collectors. Even if someone gets seeds, I doubt they will be offered on this website - an auction on e-bay makes a lot more sense as I reckon they will not go cheaply...
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Wow Soren is it really that good and that rare? A few years ago I collected a range of seeds from treed known from a single location or one valley.It sounds like I need to get some seeds of Annonidium mannii as well.
Sorry to take this thread on a tangent.
The only fruit tree species I know that combines exceptional quality and rarity along those same lines.Durio macrantha was described by the guru Kostermans in 1992 and is only known from 2 wild trees I believe.The flavour of the fruit has been assessed as exceptional by durian specialists.An evaluation of this dwarf species found it was the best eating of all non-zibethinus durio,the most cold and wind tolerant by far as well as being the fastest fruiting durio (from seed) and also that it had very high commercial potential.Only one or two growers have them I believe.I plan to have one in the next year whether grafted or a seedling.The wheels re in motion.The original propagator lost almost everything on his farm except them in a cyclone and then gave up on fruit growing.
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Mike - rare as in rarely found in collections as it appears to be very difficult to cultivate but is common in some areas of its natural range. And yes - it is described as very good - using analog descriptions as for durian - though some trees produce sour fruits. It is also one the biggest fruits, which might also be a reason for the interest from collectors.
Surely there are more rare and better tasting fruits out there - but among the African ones this is the jewel - so let me correct myself - top of the list among the African species, and I do get a lot of requests for seeds though I have never seen it yet (it is not growing in Uganda).
edit; and do keep us posted on the Durio macrantha project.
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OK Soren you have mentioned the Annonidium before come to think of it.
D.macrantha is one of the great fruit stories with the only trees threatened when the guru found them.Fruit were spirited to illustrious durian folk in australia who had to eat them at the airport.The seedlings came out ahead of dozens of zibethinus clones in a multi-year exhaustive evaluation of all durian characteristics,gene mapping and tolerances carried out by luminaries like lim,dicsabilis and zapalla.It was once again plunged into obscurity by an unprecedented series of cyclones that wiped out the industry and growers.The trees survive on 2 farms one with 15 trees the other with 1 or 2.There could be others.I'll keep you updated and it could be the great hope for subtropical durians with prospects even better than the laplaes (D.zibethinus).
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Mike - rare as in rarely found in collections as it appears to be very difficult to cultivate but is common in some areas of its natural range. And yes - it is described as very good - using analog descriptions as for durian - though some trees produce sour fruits. It is also one the biggest fruits, which might also be a reason for the interest from collectors.
Surely there are more rare and better tasting fruits out there - but among the African ones this is the jewel - so let me correct myself - top of the list among the African species, and I do get a lot of requests for seeds though I have never seen it yet (it is not growing in Uganda).
edit; and do keep us posted on the Durio macrantha project.
Could another reason that it's so rare be that it can take decades to fruit? At least that is what i read on the net.
Bearing Age: Many trees will not bear fruit for decades.
Fruit: Giant fruit, the largest in the annonaceae family. Generally around 15" long and 4-6 kg. Large fruits are capable of weighing 10-15 kg. Flesh is yellow to orange, and ranges from sweet to sour, depending on ripeness and genetics. It has a very rich flavor, overpowering to some, but generally tastes similar to a mango. Fruits are often disfigured due to inadequate pollination.
http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/ (http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/)
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OK Soren you have mentioned the Annonidium before come to think of it.
D.macrantha is one of the great fruit stories with the only trees threatened when the guru found them.Fruit were spirited to illustrious durian folk in australia who had to eat them at the airport.The seedlings came out ahead of dozens of zibethinus clones in a multi-year exhaustive evaluation of all durian characteristics,gene mapping and tolerances carried out by luminaries like lim,dicsabilis and zapalla.It was once again plunged into obscurity by an unprecedented series of cyclones that wiped out the industry and growers.The trees survive on 2 farms one with 15 trees the other with 1 or 2.There could be others.I'll keep you updated and it could be the great hope for subtropical durians with prospects even better than the laplaes (D.zibethinus).
Dicsabilis was main speaker at one of our conferences. Real nice fellow, and very knowledgeable. Ok, guess what's on my seed want list now? HAHA
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Oscar it is a bit of a white whale of the tropical fruit world and durian specialists talk about it in hushed tones of respect.Most have given up on ever getting seeds.A friend has been promised a grafted tree or seedling afyter years of cultivating a connection.I am muscling in on his action and if I get seeds I'll spead them out so this great white durian hope is not lost.Kostermans was glowing about it apparently and it doesn't lose a leaf at 34f.
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Oscar it is a bit of a white whale of the tropical fruit world and durian specialists talk about it in hushed tones of respect.Most have given up on ever getting seeds.A friend has been promised a grafted tree or seedling afyter years of cultivating a connection.I am muscling in on his action and if I get seeds I'll spead them out so this great white durian hope is not lost.Kostermans was glowing about it apparently and it doesn't lose a leaf at 34f.
Oh no! Another one for my list of holy grails?
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Mike - rare as in rarely found in collections as it appears to be very difficult to cultivate but is common in some areas of its natural range. And yes - it is described as very good - using analog descriptions as for durian - though some trees produce sour fruits. It is also one the biggest fruits, which might also be a reason for the interest from collectors.
Surely there are more rare and better tasting fruits out there - but among the African ones this is the jewel - so let me correct myself - top of the list among the African species, and I do get a lot of requests for seeds though I have never seen it yet (it is not growing in Uganda).
edit; and do keep us posted on the Durio macrantha project.
Could another reason that it's so rare be that it can take decades to fruit? At least that is what i read on the net.
Bearing Age: Many trees will not bear fruit for decades.
Fruit: Giant fruit, the largest in the annonaceae family. Generally around 15" long and 4-6 kg. Large fruits are capable of weighing 10-15 kg. Flesh is yellow to orange, and ranges from sweet to sour, depending on ripeness and genetics. It has a very rich flavor, overpowering to some, but generally tastes similar to a mango. Fruits are often disfigured due to inadequate pollination.
http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/ (http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/)
True - that is what I read from several accounts as well (though the accounts may be related). From Lost crops of African volume III;
"Although essentially unknown outside Central Africa, individual trees now can be found in southern Florida, Hawaii, Malaysia, and northern Queensland (Australia)."
So you or Mike might find it easier to locate a tree than I.
Btw; check the size of the flower - the bottom part of the photo shows a hand.
(http://s11.postimage.org/6kjgivnsf/IMG_0342.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6kjgivnsf/)
from http://afroannons.myspecies.info/category/african-annonaceae/annonaceae/anonidium/anonidium-mannii (http://afroannons.myspecies.info/category/african-annonaceae/annonaceae/anonidium/anonidium-mannii)
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Soren, I thrash a few bushes,shake a few trees and make some noise and see if I can flush some local Annonidium from the shadows and undergrowth.I'll let you know if I get some seeds.
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That must be the largest annona flower! I wonder where in Hawaii they mean this plant was introduced?? I'll ask at the experimental stations.
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http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/ZaireBest3-95.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/ZaireBest3-95.htm)
Oscar this group may have been the source.It may be difficult to get seeds from the one mentioned.If you go to the recipe page you posted and click on any fruit species listed, stories come up.
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http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/ZaireBest3-95.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/ZaireBest3-95.htm)
Oscar this group may have been the source.It may be difficult to get seeds from the one mentioned.If you go to the recipe page you posted and click on any fruit species listed, stories come up.
Paul D. Noren and Roy M. Danforth were missionaries in Zaire, but haven't been sending seeds for more than a dozen years. I think neither of them is still in Africa? Maybe you know their whereabouts Soren?
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I think they are both in Africa - remember a reference from an Echo newsletter?! Perhaps we have a member on this forum who knows them through the Echo network as they have been active there... Otherwise there should be many other missionaries in Congo and neighboring countries doing agricultural work and with an interest for fruits?
Mike - if they have not been sending seeds for many years - and they indeed introduced A. mannii to the world - chances are good a mature tree could be found, so worth a shot.
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I'd imagine the plants live in NQ. They were featured on the cover of the RFR issue on fruit collecting a few years back. Seedlings of those fruits should be scattered about.
I know the other yellow African fruit that looks a bit like yellow pandanus is around, but dont know if it fruits.
Oscar, that fruit you posted looks like a second-hand jackfruit curry! ;D
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Even if someone gets seeds, I doubt they will be offered on this website...
I was happy to say I was wrong about this 8) And Bruce - you are referring to the Giant Yellow Mulberry (Myrianthus arboreus) which is dioecious.
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Confirmed that Junglesop is in NQ and fruiting. Now, just have to work on getting the seeds. Shouldn't be a big problem though...
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Confirmed that Junglesop is in NQ and fruiting. Now, just have to work on getting the seeds. Shouldn't be a big problem though...
Sounds great; got the story on the source etc?
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BMc if I know the person or location I can put an extraction plan in place.
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BMc if I know the person or location I can put an extraction plan in place.
I sent an email. It might be to your work address though? I should have more details in a few days.
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Whoops, I'll have to retract my last statement. There are trees in NQ but still dont know the whereabouts of any bearing trees in NQ :(
There is a seed source in NQ, but the seeds come via Cameroon.
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http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/ (http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/)
It would take a bit to eat a 30lber.There is supposed to be much variation in quality between trees that is genetic not environmental.
(http://s16.postimage.org/7xbl59ezl/african_custard_apple.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7xbl59ezl/)
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Does anyone know if they need cross pollination, etc? I'm trying to figure out how many seeds to buy. ;D
I'll buy some and then post pics to confirm its all above board and I've got the real deal. Then PM me if you want details of the person and are happy to risk that the seeds will be viable after travelling from Africa to Cairns and back to wherever you are...
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http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/ (http://www.skyfieldtropical.com/encyclopedia/junglesop/)
It would take a bit to eat a 30lber.There is supposed to be much variation in quality between trees that is genetic not environmental.
(http://s16.postimage.org/7xbl59ezl/african_custard_apple.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/7xbl59ezl/)
Mike - the photo appears to be of Annona senegalensis. The sucker is photographed here; http://www.flickr.com/photos/36517976@N06/3515148382/#in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36517976@N06/3515148382/#in/photostream/)
I am not familiar with the degree of self-fertility for other Annonaceae than Annona spp., but assuming it behaves like species from this genus; I guess more than one tree would be required.
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Soren I am glad you cleared that up because the picture seemed out of sinc with other photos I had seen of it and thought it represented variability within the species.
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I wonder if Troy (who sells the seeds) or someone else have any information regarding if they are recalcitrant or not?
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Soren do you ever see masuku (Uapaca kirkiana) or gingerbread plums (Parinari spp.) in your neck of the woods an is A.senegalensis a worthwhile fruit?
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Soren do you ever see masuku (Uapaca kirkiana) or gingerbread plums (Parinari spp.) in your neck of the woods an is A.senegalensis a worthwhile fruit?
Yes, I have seen Uapaca kirkiana but not tasted it - it is not uncommon in parts of Uganda - the Parinari I have encountered is Parinari excelsa which is consider lesser than others when it comes to fruits. And regarding Annona senegalensis it is consider one of the better, though a lot of variation exists and Annona stenophylla is suppose to be even better. I have been chasing the last for years with no luck - it doesn't grow here in Uganda but next door in Tanzania.
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Soren thanks for the info,I have seen references to these species/genera several times and know that further south in places like Zambia they are appreciated.
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Some happy snaps from Cairns
(http://s10.postimage.org/tttw6abxh/IMG_0468.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/tttw6abxh/)
(http://s10.postimage.org/co78nxrl1/IMG_0469.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/co78nxrl1/)
(http://s11.postimage.org/cd4dwkd27/IMG_0470.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/cd4dwkd27/)
The round thing is a US $1 coin for scale. Just bigger than a Quarter.
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I recognize the coin, but what are the other things? Are the big seeds the annonidium seeds? What are the smaller seeds?
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I believe that the location of Junglesop (Anonidium mannii) in Hawaii would be the property of the daughter of Bill Whitman. She would also have several other rare Annonaceae. She is a Hawaiian airline pilot.
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I recognize the coin, but what are the other things? Are the big seeds the annonidium seeds? What are the smaller seeds?
Small seeds are of 'bush pineapple'. I was asked to id a verbal description of a tree that had wrinkly yellow fruit like a pandanus, and were originally collected from africa, planted by an oldschool collector some 30 years ago. 99% its myrianthus arboreus.
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I recognize the coin, but what are the other things? Are the big seeds the annonidium seeds? What are the smaller seeds?
Small seeds are of 'bush pineapple'. I was asked to id a verbal description of a tree that had wrinkly yellow fruit like a pandanus, and were originally collected from africa, planted by an oldschool collector some 30 years ago. 99% its myrianthus arboreus.
Bruce - the seeds of M. arboreus are fairly big, see http://postimage.org/image/ku99p60vl/ (http://postimage.org/image/ku99p60vl/); there are several other Myrianthus species but with smaller fruits - now I am not sure 'how big' a US $1 coin is, but could the seeds be from one of the smaller species.?
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They looked exactly like that, but around half the size - so probably a smaller fruited species?
The $1 coin is about the size of a US Quater?
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They looked exactly like that, but around half the size - so probably a smaller fruited species?
The $1 coin is about the size of a US Quater?
Could be intraspecific variation but likely a different species; I have a key for myrianthus holstii and m. arboreus if you have access to the parent trees..?
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Hi, I just jointed Tropical Fruit Forum but have been a lurker for a while now. BMc, if you do get some seeds from your source, that would be great if you would be willing to sell some. It sounds like a lot of people have already inquired, but I thought I'd ask anyway because you just never know.
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I am looking for A. manii for may years, willing to tradem willing to buy and may even better willing to travel LOL
Carlos
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how long usually for these junglesops to germinate?
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how long usually for these junglesops to germinate?
Good question, I am guessing you got yours a couple weeks ago?
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I got one seed from a puddy ol bal of mine.
The seed was big and looked viable ... so I'm hoping for the best...I've been drenching with chelated Fe already and watering with mostly rain water...I really have high hopes to get this one to grow for at least a few years! I love to see some bark and some big leaves...even if I can't fruit it.
I don't know who the source was for the seed though...although I believe it did come from Africa somewhere... ;)
unfortunately I think they take about 90-120 days to pop if I remember reading right.
(http://s17.postimage.org/91lpjrpjf/9_30_2012annon_008.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/91lpjrpjf/)
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Saff it will grow and you can just plant it in potting mix and wait 20 days for the root to emerge and quite a bit longer for the shoot.I heard a rumor that it came from Cameroon and toured the world until it reached you.
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I love rumors that involve Cameroon and rare plants that have the word Annon in them...oh ya...and the name Saff.
;D
thanks for the tip little birdy.
;D
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Only 20 days till I might see a root!!???
I'm racing against a biological clock and old man winter is breathing down my back...tell me more little birdie! When might I see a shoot of leaves
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It may just be loose talk around the forum but if it came from a fruit lying around the rainforest 10 weeks ago, I would be swabbing for bonobo saliva before putting the seed near your mouth.Shoot emergence and root development is temp dependant and if your av. max is already below 28c and min is below 21c there could be some ass-dragging.
I am sure other forum members could add to the story.
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Yes so far the only know source is through Cameroon - I do understand that the locals don't eat the fruit and I therefore believe that strain / subspecies could be bland. I had roots on one seed when I received it - yet to see any sprouting...
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Yes so far the only know source is through Cameroon - I do understand that the locals don't eat the fruit and I therefore believe that strain / subspecies could be bland. I had roots on one seed when I received it - yet to see any sprouting...
That's bad news after all the hype and difficulty getting them. :'(
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I was told they were from a good quality fruit.Soren I suppose you have penetrated the supply chain one step further but it would be interesting to get a comment from the actual collectors and local people.There could be a number of reasons for not eating them.
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Yes, I met Eric from CENDEP here in Kampala a couple of weeks ago and he asked me why everybody wanted jungle-sop since they don't eat it in Cameroon - only the animals (and he is one behind the export).
Anyway - I will ask him again if anyone tried eating it by now ;D
(http://s13.postimage.org/9gask3elf/DSCF7603.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/9gask3elf/)
The African fruit hunters; Eric Wirsiy and I finally meet up in Kampala, mid September 2012.
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That's kind of comical! Everybody here dying to get junglesop, and then nobody there eats it? Must be pretty bad if they feed it only to cattle.
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From Lost Crops of Africa;
"....In the Central African Republic, for instance, people reportedly pay up to two days salary for a single junglesop. And special trips are organized to collect the fruits during the season...."
and
"...Just how mature the fruit was when picked can affect the sweetness, but genetics also plays a part, and locals know individual trees that are always sweet and others that are always sour.
As in most annonaceous fruits, the flavor is rich—but in this case it is sometimes so rich that a person cannot eat more than a few bites at a time. But apparently not everyone is so inhibited: People in northern Congo, for instance, say that five hungry men can completely fill their stomachs with a good-sized junglesop!"
Amigo - plant some seeds, wait 10-15 years and we can discuss the taste issue! By the way - I have invited Eric to join this forum, let us see if he can help us on issue...
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Eric just wrote (must be stuck in office today like me);
"Annonidium is not eaten in Cameroon so i can not say anything about the test.
I hear it is eaten in Congo or Gabon
I am yet to join the fruit forum"
I.e. it is likely an acquired taste like Durian, which I guess doesn't mean it is bad
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Maybe they are the durian of Annonaceae and an acquired taste.
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It's a great fruit but nobody in Cameroon eats it because none of them have acquired a taste for it? :o ::) My guess is that your original assesmen Soren is correct and the ones in Cameroon are not the best of the group. But i'll let you know in 10-15 years if i acquired a taste for it. ;) I can always feed it to the cattle here!
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It's a great fruit but nobody in Cameroon eats it because none of them have acquired a taste for it? :o ::) My guess is that your original assesmen Soren is correct and the ones in Cameroon are not the best of the group. But i'll let you know in 10-15 years if i acquired a taste for it. ;) I can always feed it to the cattle here!
Haha, did Eric mention porcupines or elephants - anyway it wasn't cattle!
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I've read a manuscript online that said the fruits are quite variable, and some are much better for eating out of hand...others can be just plain hard to eat (acid flavor, fibrous, strong aroma if I recall reading)
I'm just growing one because it's the 2nd largest tree borne fruit, and an annona.
I want bragging rights of being able to fruit this one. I thought the soursop was a challenge, this seed will be my new video game for the next decade or longer (if I can germinate and keep alive)
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Hi Dudes ;D,
I wonder if Cameroonians don't eat the fruit because of their appearance cause i have seen pix of fruits with a burnt ''charcoal'' type peal :-\ I guess them genes play a very important part of a top notch fruit ;)
You guys that are going to grow mannii...they are understory trees, that needs shade in their first few years and because of their huge leaves, they dislike windy conditions. ;)
Soren, It's going to be awesome to have another African member here 8) Hope Eric joins and shares some of his hunting stories :)
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I believe the junglesop is highly susceptible to anthracnose...and this is the reason for that charcoal burnt look.
and maybe they don't eat that fruit because they have so much other amazing fruit!
thanks for the tips about annonidium mannii.
I will have to make sure mine stays shaded and protected! 4 ever!
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found a pic of whitmans trees.
they look a bit stressed from a storm.
They're protected from sun in his famous shade houses...I wish someone would make me a nice house, and feed me and take care of me! in Miami, FL. and spray me with copper. ;D ;D and cut my limbs ;D ;D haha...never mind.
I guess there's benefits to being a human.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/maspirasjr/100_0400.jpg)
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I believe the junglesop is highly susceptible to anthracnose...and this is the reason for that charcoal burnt look.
and maybe they don't eat that fruit because they have so much other amazing fruit!
thanks for the tips about annonidium mannii.
I will have to make sure mine stays shaded and protected! 4 ever!
Hi Adam,
Now that you mentioned, mannii being susceptible to anthracnose...anthracnose will definitely damage the fruit and give it a burnt charcoal look...why didn't i think of that :-[ I guess anthracnose flew out the window ;D Thanks for pointing that out...now i know why the fruit looked like charcoal 8)
You're welcome, Adam :)
Yikes, those trees look very sad :( they sure don't like the wind!
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hey Steven,
Maybe it was cold? and not the wind?
I can't tell??
what do u think???
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hey Steven,
Maybe it was cold? and not the wind?
I can't tell??
what do u think???
Hi again,
Yeah, you're right...the cold can do some damage. The trees at Whitmans got hit by cold and didn't totally defoliate, that's good news. Though, to what extent it's cold hardy remains a mystery! I reckon mannii can produce fruit in Florida...If i recall properly, even a mangosteen has produced in Florida...So, why not mannii?
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The picture of Whitman's trees was taken when they were seriously going downhill. They, three I believe, had been 12-15 feet tall and dark green.
Chances are that some of the Mycorrhizal and bacterial mixes now available would help a lot.
There are many good Tropical Rain-Forest tree fruits that are rarely eaten by humans, except on lucky moments right after storms that broke off branches, because the fruits don't fall until they are spoiled. Birds and monkeys do normally eat them all. I don't know if this is the case with Anonidium mannii.
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Anyone get a seedling up yet? I've only just got a new heat mat, sfter the last one ist kaput.
I've been told and directed to one reference that the Junglesop is comparable to Soursop in cold tolerance. I'll be growing on the fringe of a rainforest patch right at the edge of the soursop zone, that flirts with 0c for a few weeks per year, so here's to hoping the report is correct.
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Bruce - I will put my money on you unless Troy throw a few seeds in a pot himself.. We want photos! Anyone knows the age of whitmans trees? This baby will take forever to flower for what I know.
Anyway - talking about cultural differences and who-is-eating-what; here in Uganda we mainly consume the pulp of Irvingia gabonensis, while Eric told me they only eat the seed in Cameroon. In general - the local population is aware of what is edible and what is not, so when they don't eat the Jungle-sop in Cameroon it must be linked to the taste.
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There is a strong genetic component to appreciation of flavors, as well as a strong cultural influence.
Some families of Haitians despise mangos, because mangos are too sweet!
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There is a strong genetic component to appreciation of flavors, as well as a strong cultural influence.
Some families of Haitians despise mangos, because mangos are too sweet!
I think that is also true with Polynesians they don't like sweet fruits,. Their solution: eat the mangos green, or pickle them. Also they ate most bananas cooked green. Wi apple (ambarella) is also eaten green or pickled.
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There is a strong genetic component to appreciation of flavors, as well as a strong cultural influence.
Some families of Haitians despise mangos, because mangos are too sweet!
I think that is also true with Polynesians they don't like sweet fruits,. Their solution: eat the mangos green, or pickle them. Also they ate most bananas cooked green. Wi apple (ambarella) is also eaten green or pickled.
Yes, but the green bananas are still often mixed with heaps of sugar, custard and even Milo! lol
My best friend growing up was Samoan and I never did get why they ate everything in the starchy state, but with added sugar, rather than eating them when they had sugared-up naturally. Delicious never the less. ;D
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There is a strong genetic component to appreciation of flavors, as well as a strong cultural influence.
Some families of Haitians despise mangos, because mangos are too sweet!
I think that is also true with Polynesians they don't like sweet fruits,. Their solution: eat the mangos green, or pickle them. Also they ate most bananas cooked green. Wi apple (ambarella) is also eaten green or pickled.
Yes, but the green bananas are still often mixed with heaps of sugar, custard and even Milo! lol
My best friend growing up was Samoan and I never did get why they ate everything in the starchy state, but with added sugar, rather than eating them when they had sugared-up naturally. Delicious never the less. ;D
Sugar is a modern product. Don't think ancients sugar coated everything. Also don't think they all had diabetes like now a days. Poi (fermented taro) is still eaten and enjoyed here without any sweeteners.
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http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm)
Knowledge and appeciation of this species is not a new thing.
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http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm (http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm)
Knowledge and appeciation of this species is not a new thing.
This was back in 1993 - a grafted junglesop - sounds interesting! Could the 'Chris and Don Gray's orchard' still be there?
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It is there in Julatten still but I don't know what condition it is in.A couple of years ago they had an add for fruit tree sales.I know people who would know and will check.
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Sounds like a possible source for budwood - and it could be interesting to know more about the rootstock...
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Hello junglesop hunters :)
I will get in the next view days 4 seeds of annnidium mannii. Any
sowing and germination instructions are welcome.
I don't know in what condition are the seeds but I do not like to loose the seeds because of me!
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Hello junglesop hunters :)
I will get in the next view days 4 seeds of annnidium mannii. Any
sowing and germination instructions are welcome.
I don't know in what condition are the seeds but I do not like to loose the seeds because of me!
Hi msk0072,
Soak the seeds for few days(1-3) and change the water, every few hours ;) Try the zip-lock style or like i done, with a lunch tin with some humid material to keep the seed from drying out. In 2 to 3 weeks, them seeds will start to germinate...Take the utmost care when planting a seed with a root...if you damage this fragile root, it ain't going to recover ;) Good luck!!! :)
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Hi Steven
Thanks for the advice. ;)
Should I use pure peat moss, soil or some mixture?
What was your success rate?
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Hi Steven
Thanks for the advice. ;)
Should I use pure peat moss, soil or some mixture?
What was your success rate?
Hi Msk,
You're welcome :)
I used Peat + Native soil + Cactus mix(to help with the drainage)
I got 100% success rate and i planted the seed half way...they are quite huge 8) Now, the Junglesop is busy with them roots...hopefully soon, the sprout will pop up :)
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found a pic of whitmans trees.
they look a bit stressed from a storm.
They're protected from sun in his famous shade houses...I wish someone would make me a nice house, and feed me and take care of me! in Miami, FL. and spray me with copper. ;D ;D and cut my limbs ;D ;D haha...never mind.
I guess there's benefits to being a human.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/maspirasjr/100_0400.jpg)
Here is the article : the tree on the picture was even damaged by the hurricane and originated from Congo, picture taken in Bill Whitman garden south Florida. http://readtiger.com/www.tropicsphere.com/main/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4359 (http://readtiger.com/www.tropicsphere.com/main/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4359)
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Radoslav
thanks for posting...I have a pair of junglesops growing nicely.
they're still small...but staying green, showing no sensitivity to city water (high ph, chlorine, fluoride, etc).
here comes the cold windy weather! im going to see how they handle 40F...they're supposed to be somewhat cold tolerant; surviving brief freezes quite easily.
when it gets colder than 40F, I will take them inside.
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Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?
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That must be the largest annona flower! I wonder where in Hawaii they mean this plant was introduced?? I'll ask at the experimental stations.
Hi everyone..
Oscar the Onomea Gardens on the scenic route... groundskeeper told me he has a 15+ old tree growing there ..never fruited yet...he thought it might need more than one.
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Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?
no.
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My junglesops seeds arrived… They were off-season, but they look well, and the embryo is still fresh.
They are large, and rather weighty, with a strange shape for a plant so closely related to annona. The shell was soft enough to scratch.
(http://s12.postimg.cc/7ot1efvtl/image.jpg) (http://postimg.cc/image/7ot1efvtl/)
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That must be the largest annona flower! I wonder where in Hawaii they mean this plant was introduced?? I'll ask at the experimental stations.
Hi everyone..
Oscar the Onomea Gardens on the scenic route... groundskeeper told me he has a 15+ old tree growing there ..never fruited yet...he thought it might need more than one.
Thanks. I know him, i'll ask him about it next time i'm there.
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I order 15 seeds last year from Germany. Now I have 3 plants about 15 cm tall. Will try to post some pictures soon. They germinated very very slowly and because here in EU is very short day in winter months I put them under artificial light.
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I ordered two seeds from Trade Winds Fruit not too long ago and one started germinating right away, while the other is currently sprouting several small, stringy roots, about five to be exact, from a spot where I crudely scarified it. What an interesting fruit, I wonder why it hasn't been cultivated already.
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I ordered two seeds from Trade Winds Fruit not too long ago and one started germinating right away, while the other is currently sprouting several small, stringy roots, about five to be exact, from a spot where I crudely scarified it. What an interesting fruit, I wonder why it hasn't been cultivated already.
In the past it was extremely difficult to obtain seeds. Also there is the fact that trees take about 20 years to fruit?
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Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?
no.
Well Adam, you are a year ahead of me, but Im further south. So you want to make a long term wager to see who gets there first?
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I believe Bill Whitman's trees never flowered. When he was in decline himself, his trees declined also, due to irrigation (often turned off) and fertilization (put down in heavy bands, about an inch deep) irregularities by non-horticulturist helpers.
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Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?
no.
Well Adam, you are a year ahead of me, but Im further south. So you want to make a long term wager to see who gets there first?
I won't bet...but I'll still try to fruit mine faster than you! and I will be happy to post regular updates.
in order to fruit them quickly I will be doing the following:
1) keep in a container, stepping them up gradually, but consistently.
2) regular feedings during times of active growth, using mostly organic fertilizers and micro nutritional sprays (secret weapon, Agripro/Turfpro...which has micronutrients, beneficial organisms and mycorrhizae)
3) keep in filtered light for the first few years, but increase sunlight ASAP.
4) keep pruning them
5) keep them warm
6) use an acid soil mix, with good drainage, yet ample water retention. (pine bark, peat, sand)
and there is a few more things I can do to win the race...but I can't give away all the tricks...you might beat me!
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I did not know it took so long to fruit? If that is so we need to get some scion wood we can graft with! I looked at pictures of the flowers, they look quite interesting, are they the largest annonas flower?
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I did not know it took so long to fruit? If that is so we need to get some scion wood we can graft with! I looked at pictures of the flowers, they look quite interesting, are they the largest annonas flower?
Right now we're extremely lucky to be able to get seeds. But yes in future should try to get scion wood of mature trees "if possible". They are the largest annona fruits, so wouldn't be surprised if it's also the largest annona flowers, but don't know.
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I did not know it took so long to fruit? If that is so we need to get some scion wood we can graft with! I looked at pictures of the flowers, they look quite interesting, are they the largest annonas flower?
lol..that was my last secret weapon! oh well! ;)
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Right now we're extremely lucky to be able to get seeds. But yes in future should try to get scion wood of mature trees "if possible". They are the largest annona fruits, so wouldn't be surprised if it's also the largest annona flowers, but don't know.
I thought they're supposed to be the second largest tree borne fruit, after jackfruit?
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Right now we're extremely lucky to be able to get seeds. But yes in future should try to get scion wood of mature trees "if possible". They are the largest annona fruits, so wouldn't be surprised if it's also the largest annona flowers, but don't know.
I thought they're supposed to be the second largest tree borne fruit, after jackfruit?
I think i read that somewhere also. But i wonder if some types of chempadeks or even African breadfruits aren't bigger and heavier? There are also some huge soursops.
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Might be a stretch coco de mer is big,chempadak reaches 20lbs,some durian are over 20lbs,morada soursop can be 20lbs,pinks mammoth atemoya occasionally are huge, and there are probably a few other biggies.
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Fruits of the rain forest (Africa) and taste perception.
http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/55/20/91/PDF/rainforest-fruits-taste.pdf (http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/55/20/91/PDF/rainforest-fruits-taste.pdf)
Some info about Annonidium mannii at page 3 8)
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Hi,
I will have Annonidium manii in a few weeks anyone interested contact me privately
Dada
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Have you fruited them before? If so, what is the fruit quality like? There has been some speculation here that the quality of junglesop may vary depending upon its geographical origin in Africa.
John
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Dada is a serious collector and trader and like all other junglesop enthusiasts, accesses seeds from Africa. It is very difficult to get good info on the quality of the parent fruit I bet.He may be able to say what species from Ecuador that he might be able to get.
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Does anyone have any seeds or plants?
Looking for a long time.
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Does anyone have any seeds or plants?
Looking for a long time.
It's very rare by now. I have two plants in perfect shape of good quality fruit. I will open an auction in June: stay tuned.
All the best,
Giampaolo
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Anybody know where to get Annonidium mannii seeds?
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Bill Whitman had heard that the Junglesop trees can be dioecious, so he planted three or four of them close together, since he had a small yard.
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If we do a group buy I can get you A.manii right now from Ghana
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Count me in! 8)
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Id like to get some as well if there is a group buy @dada
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If we do a group buy I can get you A.manii right now from Ghana
I'd like to get in on this group buy.