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Citrus => Cold Hardy Citrus => Topic started by: Citradia on March 05, 2017, 09:06:58 PM

Title: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Citradia on March 05, 2017, 09:06:58 PM
Crazy question: everyone has p. Trifoliata, but who has Ichang papeda (citrus ichangensis)? I know the fruit is supposed to be useless, but what if someone wants a big ol' citrus tree with big ol' fruit on it where it gets down to zero degrees? Who is growing it, and who is selling it or the seeds? Is it any good as a rootstock?
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Citradia on March 07, 2017, 07:59:54 PM
Huh. Guess not.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Ilya11 on March 08, 2017, 03:54:47 AM
I have it in the ground, it is grafted on poncirus.
Last year I planted its seedlings in the ground, they are growing quite well, survived -9C and  10 days of frozen ground.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Citradia on March 08, 2017, 09:55:29 PM
Good for you, Ilya! Thanks for the response. Best wishes.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Ilya11 on March 09, 2017, 03:49:12 PM
I think the reason why it is not being used as rootstock is the variability of its seedlings,  they are zygotic and do not reproduce faithfully the mother plant.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Citradia on March 15, 2017, 09:18:07 PM
I figured people don't have it because the fruit is supposed to be nasty. But poncyrus trifoliata is nasty and people grow it. I think I read somewhere that trifoliata serves as a better rootstock and is more cold hardy than ichangensis.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Ilya11 on March 16, 2017, 03:39:38 AM
Here in Europe we have  a clone of ichangensis - IVIA , that is quite edible.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Citradia on March 16, 2017, 08:09:59 PM
Well, I wish we could have that one here, Ilya. Nice to know though.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Florian on March 19, 2017, 06:42:01 PM
Hi everyone
I am new to this forum. I have an ichangensis IVIA and Ilya is right when he says the fruit is quite edible (that is compared to other ichangensis cultivars or Poncirus). My plant is still small and the fruit might become bigger as the tree grows larger. There was not much pulp in the fruits I have harvested so far but there is , in contrast to other ichangensis cultivars. The juice is usable just like lemon juice. Another plus is the fact that they ripen even in our cool summers.
I know reports from Germany of trees surviving down to -18C but I don't know about the IVIA. I haven't tested mine yet since I want to let it grow a bit larger first.

(https://s8.postimg.org/afrkrz3s1/20161019_171520.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/afrkrz3s1/)

(https://s8.postimg.org/xv9hxbnj5/IMG_3496.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/xv9hxbnj5/)

If in the future it should contain more seeds, I will be happy to share them.
cheers
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Millet on March 19, 2017, 09:19:51 PM
Florian welcome to the forum, we are happy to have you as a member.
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Citradia on March 19, 2017, 09:21:29 PM
Florian, so wonderful to read your post! Thanks for the pic too!  Would be nice to have some of those IVIA seeds on this continent, as long as customs and agricultural laws don't prohibit it. Sounds like you all have a great species there that those of us in colder climates can appreciate. Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Ichang Papeda search.
Post by: Florian on March 20, 2017, 11:50:38 AM
Thanks for the warm welcome. It would be a pity if your customs didn't allow to send citrus seeds (since I understand they can't carry viruses, can they?). We shall see.. :)
We do indeed have some interesting citrus varieties here but so do you. For example I have never seen a Clemyuz 2-2 for sale here (let alone a dekopon). Also, the Japanese have some good stuff which nobody seems to be able to get their hands on like the seedless Yuzus or the real Yuko..