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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Input on a decision
« on: July 22, 2017, 10:31:33 PM »
Let's put an end to this nonsense

focus on the leaves

JF, lets.
What are the 4 leaves.
Is Dom's summary correct?
Kindly expand so all is clear.

I was messing with JF above, sorry if that confused things. In his picture the top is A. reticulata and the bottom is A. cherimola. The tree you saw locally is unequivocally A. reticulata, which many Cubans refer to as "chirimoya."

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Input on a decision
« on: July 22, 2017, 08:42:00 PM »
Let's put an end to this nonsense

focus on the leaves

So the top one is a Cuban chirimoya and the bottom one is a Latin American chirimoya?  ;)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Input on a decision
« on: July 22, 2017, 07:42:02 PM »
The tree in the pictures is looks like A. reticulata to me: elongated pointy somewhat shiny leaves, short flowers flowering in clusters are the two main factors that stand out to me. It definitely isn't a cherimoya.

Cherimoya flowers just fine in Florida and sets fruit OK too. The trick is getting it to hold fruit to maturity, which is fairly rare so far. My understanding is it will hold fruit until the seeds are viable and stop developing shortly after.

I have a feeling that some might get a punch in the nose at a meet and greet :-)

That's why we rent some of those sumo wrestling suits ahead of time. Maybe get one extra that Rob can just wear the whole time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do Atemoyas Like To Be Pruned?
« on: July 17, 2017, 03:12:42 PM »
With a newer tree I like tip pruning and stripping the next few leaves off when a branch gets a little over a foot long. I usually cut it back to about a foot long and pop off the next 2-4 leaves to encourage new branching. More branching means more fruiting later.

That's a great looking tree. I don't care what Rob says, I'd have let it hold a few fruits at that size.  ;D

Personally I wouldn't really worry about the flowers, just make sure you don't hold too much fruit on a young tree. There's a big difference though between a 4' single whip atemoya and a 4' atemoya with a ton of branching, but either way I wouldn't let it hold more than a fruit or two if you're determined to let it hold some. If you pulled that many flowers off of your tree I'd guess that is has some decent branching to it and is likely a healthy tree. A pic of your tree would help.

Naranja mango aka Mutant LZ
Looks like OS

So is that an LZ seedling?

That really really sucks man. I'd get grafting ASAP.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pina colada not washed out
« on: July 03, 2017, 12:38:49 PM »
The Dot was really nice, and Cac and PPK were solidly great mangos like they'd been all season. Well grown sir.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pina colada not washed out
« on: July 03, 2017, 09:25:27 AM »
Yep, that was me. Got two from you and they were outstanding. I picked up a Dot on Saturday that's going to be for breakfast along with some cac and ppk. ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: co2 death chamber
« on: July 01, 2017, 06:18:39 AM »
I would not kill possums unless the situation is really bad. They are one of the few marsupials in America. Turn them loose a few miles away. Tarp in the trunk of your car due to possibly pissing or shitting. With problem rats, mice, squirrels you drown them.

You will get bitten and scratched trying to transfer a possum into your CO2 gas chamber.

I think the idea with the chamber was to build it to accommodate the whole trap.

I'll also second the notion that I am pretty well opposed to killing possums. Those things devour ticks and besides being kind of gnarly looking don't really hurt much.

You know how you get crazy panicky when you try and hold your breath as long as you can? Rising CO2 levels are a big part of the sensation of needing to take a breath, and killing an animal with CO2 is a pretty inhumane gas choice in my book.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: co2 death chamber
« on: June 30, 2017, 07:26:53 PM »
The little .22 CB shorts they sell at Walmart are actually quieter than my pellet gun. I wouldn't hesitate to use it to dispatch a varmint even in a densely packed neighborhood.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: venus mango
« on: June 21, 2017, 05:07:14 PM »
My Venus has gigantic leaves.  Like nothing I've ever seen on a mango tree.  I will try to post some pics later.

Mine too. It was in a shaded spot for a bit with the previous owner, and the new growth after about a month or so in ground here is similarly large.

Really?  Does anyone hand-pollinate soursop?  Mine seems perfectly capable of producing huge fruit on its own.

Both times Har has come to Fort Myers to talk to our Fruit club he has strongly encouraged folks to hand pollinate soursop to get the comically large fruit one sees pictures of from time to time. He also encouraged using your finger instead of a paint brush to apply pollen, because the sticky stuff tends to bunch up on the brush.

Next time you've got a soursop look at the distribution of the spikes you see that correspond to each segment. Where they're bunched together and the fruit is misshapen is a spot where better pollination would have yielded a larger fruit.

That was the gist of his argument, and it seems sound to me.

Here an update on my fathers seedling soursop tree.
Its doing really good. So far this he picked 4 this year
Probably another 40 more

Around 2.5 lbs each

Here is the tree, about the size of a single story flat.
Second year fruiting

Congrats, that's a whole bunch of delicious fruit! Any chance of teaching him to hand pollinate so he can get some real whopper sized soursop?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya seeds floating
« on: June 18, 2017, 11:17:50 AM »
As cherimoya seeds dry they go from black to sort of a Chestnut brown. Rehydrating is the reverse, with them darkening starting at the point. Almost all of mine will float at first. I'll usually start them in hot tap water and stir the bunch with my finger whenever I happen to talk by. With each stir a few more sink.

I dont like how gleeful people are in tearing someone down who's trying to do something new. I think the gloating is much worse for us in general than any shortcuts thompson might have taken. I think we should celebrate the attempt or maybe be a bit disappointed that it was done wrong, but not happy to see him fail.

Your statement assumes not only that he knew what he was doing but that there is any chance of a cold hardy mango...not likely.

Another certain breeder visited him and just by his short visit knew he was full of _ _ _ _

I don't know enough about this fellow to judge for myself one way or another.

If this was a legit attempt at doing something pushing the limits of what mangos can do, I agree that it is awesome and should be encouraged. Being mocked for trying to do the seemingly impossible sort of goes with the territory though, so I'm not going to get too upset over folks dancing on this grave. For better or worse that's just human nature, and personally I'm not interested in pissing into a wind that strong.

If he was a huckster selling hype and snake oil, the failure deserves every last bit of glee. I freaking hate hucksters.

Nam Doc Mai is huge in the asian community, and I think complies with all the qualities you're looking for.

(Don't tell anyone, but I find that offering an incomplete or poor answer to a question can motivate more knowledgeable folks to pitch in.)

Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." Quoted from:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Custard Apple Pollination Question
« on: June 03, 2017, 09:54:37 PM »
Bees are irrelevant, Annona reticulata (called custard apple here in the US) is pollinated by nitidulid beetles, just like sugar apple, cherimoya and atemoya (which are called custard apples in Australia). Sure, custard apples will set fruit here in FL without hand pollination, but you will get more fruit and larger fruit set with hand pollination.

You mentioned this is the first time these trees are flowering. How large are they?

Yes. You will get little to zero fruits if you ignore it. Follow these simple steps

But again, I'm in south Miami Florida, almost in the Florida Keys. The gentelmen in the video remarks that hand pollination is not necessary for locations like mine, let alone the fact that I have bee hives on my land. He is also discussing Cherimoya rather than custard Apple. That said, I understand it can't hurt but I'd also hate to start a practice that isn't necessary, seeing as this is my first go around. I may mark a few flowers I don't hand pollinate and see how they produce. I guess that's the only way to truly know.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: your favorite research sites?
« on: June 03, 2017, 05:59:38 AM »
A Google search for whatever plant I'm looking for plus IFAS is usually where I start. Ex: "atemoya ifas" will get you any UF Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences articles on atemoya. Ifas articles are usually pretty decent on spelling out plant needs for anything that can grow in FL.

When I really want to break out the submarines, I use paired with

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I feel like bragging a little
« on: May 26, 2017, 06:03:27 PM »
Congrats man!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh Jackfruit
« on: May 22, 2017, 10:57:18 PM »
Ripe Jackfruit (NS-1) from around 5 pounds to 30 pounds on the tree at $2 per pound.

Call, text or email me. Don't PM me.


You're missing a digit from your phone number Ray.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Flower Buds on African Pride
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:02:45 AM »
If you can dry and freeze the pollen, it will last up to a few months in the freezer. Reference:

I use one of those mini dehumidifiers inside a ziploc freezer bag as my dessication chamber. Just put your open pollen container in the bag with the dehumidifier for 90min, then cap the container and put it straight in the freezer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are Atemoya seeds true to type
« on: May 14, 2017, 10:30:52 PM »
No. As most atemoya are only a generation or two removed from a pure cherimoya x sugar apple hybrid, they're generally highly variable from seed.

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