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I had  trees of both growing next to each other and AP has better tasting fruit but is less productive in my climate. Pinks mammoth is a good deal better than both and common in my area. Hillary white and Paxton prolific are the most expensive in the supermarkets and shops around Queensland.

Mike, how would you compare the taste of Paxton Prolific and Pink's Mammoth?

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I think you'll find that type has been grown around Ubon Ractchathani to the Mekong nearby for decades.

I'm glad it didn't take any longer to make its way over here.

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The few comparisons I've seen put AP as better than Gefner, but that's going to be a matter of personal preference.

If they've been in ground long enough to be fruiting you would be doing yourself a great disservice by digging them out. That root establishment counts for a lot, and will mean better/faster growth if you topwork them to other varieties. Heck even if you bought budwood and paid someone to topwork them for you, you'd likely still come out paying less than buying all new trees.

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Here's a pic of the one Luke shared with me. The fruit to seed ratio was really good even though it was an average sized sugar apple.


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I can confirm that this is a very chewy dark red/purple sugar apple and as far as sugar apples go it is excellent.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What variety are these cherimoyas?
« on: August 24, 2017, 09:19:20 AM »
It will be about impossible to tell without pics of some mature fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona reticulatas harvest question
« on: August 23, 2017, 07:54:21 PM »
Hi friend...when is it the best moment to cut a Annona reticulatas (custar apple) fruit to harvest?

My one fruit looks so...I touched it and the fruit its hard....Thanx






You'll usually notice a brightening of the color right before it starts to soften on the tree. Once you notice that brightening cut it then and let it ripen on the counter. Alternatively just make sure you check it every day and cut it down when soft.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild not waterlogged pond apple
« on: August 23, 2017, 07:35:09 AM »
The biggest issue with pond apple as a rootstock is delayed incompatibility. Depending on the seed source some will just reject everything outright, others will take and grow well then die a year or so down the road, and the truly good ones will work spectacularly.

I hope yours take and grow well for many years to come.

With the above caveat in mind, I know pond apple works as a rootstock for ilama and atemoya and I'm pretty sure reticulata as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pink skin atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:49:04 PM »
Lisa.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 03:35:20 PM »
Dom are you grafting them on cherimoya. Steve from fruitscape  puts them on sugar apple and his plants grow nice and fast. Zill puts them on sugar apple. Last time I talked with Adam he was not happy with cherimoya. I am small grower I have only grafted a few hundred. As I said I like to put atemoya on atemoya but I will put them on sugar apple

Yes. The cherimoya rootstock is less variable than atemoya, and both are more vigorous than sugar apple. I've got some from Steve on sugar apple roots and the ones I've grafted on cherimoya roots are catching up in size quickly.

First pic is Birula (aka Super Lisa) on cherimoya roots. Second pic is a Lisa on sugar apple roots. Both get neighboring bushes growing into them from time to time like the Lisa is in this pic, both irrigated, both fertilized the same. Edited to add: they were planted in ground at similar size at the same time also.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 02:08:23 PM »
Mike if you're up for some reading starting on page 50 in the "Key Issues" publication they talk about different rootstock used over in Australia. http://era.daf.qld.gov.au/id/eprint/1653/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:15:56 AM »
Sidney
 You can put atemoya on sugar apple. I like to put atemoya on atemoya it will be a little more cold hardy.
 Dom
What do you call dwarfing 15 to 20 feet that is how big they will get on sugar apple.

Basically slower growing. The ones on cherimoya grow at easily 2x the pace of the ones on sugar apple.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting atemoya
« on: August 18, 2017, 09:30:25 PM »
Yes. They tend to be dwarfing on sugar apple rootstock and I've been told shorter lived at around 9 years or so.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best way to germinate Atemoya seeds?
« on: August 11, 2017, 07:51:06 PM »
Soak 24-48hrs, stirring it a few times here and there, then discard any that float after that. Planting direct in potting mix in pots or seed trays works well for me. It usually takes a few weeks for them to germinate so be patient and keep them watered. Paper towel works fine but I tend to forget seeds done that way and lose more to mold than I do with seed trays.

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If someone wanted to get atemoya scion from Australia Paxton prolific aka AJ Pinks, Hillary white, real Pinks Mammoth and maybe tropic sun would be on the hit list for acquisition.They wouldn't bother with relatively low quality widespread varieties like gefner or African pride.It doesn't really look like any of these but they are variable and climate and nutrition can influence phenotypic expression. Any info on the source at either end or location in Australia or US?

I don't have much info on either side of it unfortunately.

Side note: you said real Pink's Mammoth. Is there known to be an impostor Pink's Mammoth here in the states?

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This is the first picture I've been able to get of a "Tim" atemoya. It is rumored to have been from budwood brought over from Australia years ago, but nobody is sure what name it originally had over there. Besides the picture all I've heard about it is that it sets about as well as Gefner without hand pollination and the guy who first started growing it loved the flavor so much he replaced all of his Gefner with Tim. I'll do my best to get more pics through season, and hope to have fruits of my own either late this season or next year.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop (guanabana) or atemoya?
« on: August 06, 2017, 10:15:32 AM »
If I had to choose just one I'd go with atemoya. There are a ton of named varieties you could topwork on a single tree for wide variety of flavors and appearance. Atemoya is also more cold tolerant than soursop, though unless I regularly hit 32 or lower I wouldn't worry too much about planting a soursop. If you're looking to sell fruit you'll probably get better prices for soursop since it is generally better known. Personally I'd rather eat atemoya or cherimoya, and would pay higher prices for those, but most folks have no clue about atemoya.

I'll join the dogpile of folks saying they've gotten soursop much lower than 50 without it dying. I had a maybe 2ft tall soursop in a 3gal pot that survived mid 30s while being badly neglected. It dropped leaves, but bounced right back in the spring and is now over 6' tall planted out at a friend's house. I have plenty of other soursop that got high 30s in pots last year and while they dropped leaves and aren't as big as they would be had it remained in the 50s, they're still growing bigger each year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 1st successful mango graft?
« on: July 31, 2017, 06:30:32 PM »
Well done! What variety?

Don't re-wrap, it is healed at this point. You can remove the parafilm, but it isn't really necessary.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this Ilama Ripe
« on: July 31, 2017, 06:04:17 PM »
Congrats on being one of the few folks growing and fruiting this species here in FL. I hope to join that club in the next year or two once my Genova Red is big enough.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: July 31, 2017, 04:11:16 PM »
It is important to point out that the absolute risk of colon cancer that this stupid movie is making a big deal over takes one from an approximate 5% lifetime risk to 6%. The actual numbers are a 17% or so increased risk with a serving of processed meat daily. In my book that's not much to freak out about, especially given that colon cancer is a very treatable disease, but of course risk assessment is a very personal thing.

Contrast that with smoking and lung cancer in which you see a 2300% increased risk of lung cancer, which goes from an absolute risk of about 1.3% to about 17.2%.

That this movie consistently harps on the two being in the same category without briefly explaining the difference is flat out misleading.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shocking! Watch for yourself
« on: July 30, 2017, 12:00:35 PM »
When you have some fool trying to draw a parallel in cancer causing ability between meat and cigarettes and plutonium, it is a pretty safe bet that you're watching an animal rights activist's propaganda flick.

Didn't there used to be an off topic section for this sort of discussion? Is this sort of off topic discussion generally accepted as OK in this part of the forum now? Personally I'm not a fan but I'm usually good at ignoring it.

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So does anyone know if I should relocate the Haden and them top work and then graft? Will the grafts take place while the tree is getting used to it's new home?

No, leave the tree in place if you're going to topwork it. The whole point of topworking is that you're getting the benefit of some already firmly established roots to grow your new varieties on. Growing roots takes time, and if this is a tree that's already well established your new grafts will grow more quickly than they would if they had to grow from a totally new planting. Digging it out pretty much ruins any point of topworking. If you're really set on digging it out and putting it in a new spot, I'd just go ahead and buy another better mango for the other spot you're looking at moving it to.

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My recommendation,  for what its worth as I am just a straw biting townhouse know-nothing hillbilly, is to limit the topworking to two varieties.

Don't be modest now Rob, you deserve at least another 3 or 4 adjectives there.  ;D

Yes, now is a good time to graft, when mangos are growing vigorously. Try to get budwood that has swollen buds but isn't already pushing. Bark grafting is pretty straight forward and easy enough to do 3 or 4 scions per limb so you have good odds of getting at least one to take.


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Use it as rootstock or zion?

Rootstock, and graft scions of the other varieties you want on top of it. Search the forum for topworking mango and I'm sure you'll get some good posts, but the basic idea is you cut it back to the main scaffold limbs you want and graft new varieties on to those limbs. Be sure to put tags on so you remember what is what.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Input on a decision
« on: July 22, 2017, 10:31:33 PM »
Let's put an end to this nonsense

focus on the leaves


JF, lets.
What are the 4 leaves.
Is Dom's summary correct?
Kindly expand so all is clear.

I was messing with JF above, sorry if that confused things. In his picture the top is A. reticulata and the bottom is A. cherimola. The tree you saw locally is unequivocally A. reticulata, which many Cubans refer to as "chirimoya."

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