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Hi Oscar

Thanks for looking into that. I would have to say however that the interpretation is misleading. Phytosterols are a sterol compound chemically very similar to cholesterol, so similar in fact that they can lower intestinal absorption of dietary cholesterol by competing for the same receptors. In the 1990s and early 2000s there was a lot of excitement about phytosterols as a means to reduce ldl cholesterol. However, the more recent work has suggested that excess phytosterols, at least in some people, have resulted in an increased risk of coronary artery disease (basically the same thing that ldl cholesterol does; it is just not as efficient at causing the same buildup). Even at relatively low doses, though, phytosterols that are not deposited in vessel walls are still metabolized into bike salts. If someone has or is prone to gallstones (hardened accretions of bile salts and other liver excretions) then metabolized phytosterols will add to this underlying predisposition. Patients with phytosterolemia experience these symptoms because they absorb phytosterols at an increased rate and are unable to rapidly excrete them, allowing their bodies to treat them as other forms of cholesterol (and unfortunate for us it does not act like hdlbit rather can build up like ldl).






Not quite true.  phytosterols are plant based sources of cholesterol and it is possible to have a phytosterolemia (too much phytosterols in the body).

:-)

-K



Yes deceptive labeling occurs on very many products. Another example are fruit and vegetable products that contain labeling that say "no cholesterol". But only animal products contain cholesterol.
I also get a lot of people asking me if the fruit seeds i sell are GMO or not? Really most consumers think that all fruits and vegetables now are genetically manipulated, but the percentage is really quite low. The chemical giants are still mostly interested in altering the major crops, like corn, soybeans, rice, cotton, rape seed (canola), etc. They are slowly branching out into genetically modifying the major fruits and vegetables. I wouldn't be surprised if GMO citrus comes on the scene in just a few years.
Similar is not the same as. And note that all the products say "no cholesterol", they don't ever say "no phytosterol". Usually phytosterol is claimed to lower cholesterol. From wikipedia:
The European Foods Safety Authority (EFSA) concluded that blood cholesterol can be reduced on average by 7 to 10.5% if a person consumes 1.5 to 2.4 grams of plant sterols and stanols per day, an effect usually established within 2–3 weeks. Longer-term studies extending up to 85 weeks showed that the cholesterol-lowering effect could be sustained.[9] Based on this and other efficacy data, the EFSA scientific panel provided the following health advisory: “Plant sterols have been shown to lower/reduce blood cholesterol. Blood cholesterol lowering may reduce the risk of coronary heart disease".
Thanks for the info. Are you a doctor? Where is this info coming from?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Hunting in Africa - Where to go?
« on: April 25, 2017, 11:35:17 PM »
If you want to go to Uganda you should contact Soren, who is a forum member and lives there, in Kampala, i believe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Hunting in Africa - Where to go?
« on: April 25, 2017, 05:36:31 PM »
Never been to Africa, but I think the hard part will be the "safe" requirement. I would guess the countries on the west coast would have the richest bounties, like Senegal, Ivory Coast, Cameroon. Seychelle islands would be safe, and is supposed to be very beautiful, but also very expensive. I do know that to be able to take double coconut (Lodoicea) out of the country you need a government permit, and that will cost at least $600, and you need to pre arrange that.
Anyway, make sure to report back after your trip as would love to hear about your experiences.

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Not quite true.  phytosterols are plant based sources of cholesterol and it is possible to have a phytosterolemia (too much phytosterols in the body).

:-)

-K



Yes deceptive labeling occurs on very many products. Another example are fruit and vegetable products that contain labeling that say "no cholesterol". But only animal products contain cholesterol.
I also get a lot of people asking me if the fruit seeds i sell are GMO or not? Really most consumers think that all fruits and vegetables now are genetically manipulated, but the percentage is really quite low. The chemical giants are still mostly interested in altering the major crops, like corn, soybeans, rice, cotton, rape seed (canola), etc. They are slowly branching out into genetically modifying the major fruits and vegetables. I wouldn't be surprised if GMO citrus comes on the scene in just a few years.
Similar is not the same as. And note that all the products say "no cholesterol", they don't ever say "no phytosterol". Usually phytosterol is claimed to lower cholesterol. From wikipedia:
The European Foods Safety Authority (EFSA) concluded that blood cholesterol can be reduced on average by 7 to 10.5% if a person consumes 1.5 to 2.4 grams of plant sterols and stanols per day, an effect usually established within 2–3 weeks. Longer-term studies extending up to 85 weeks showed that the cholesterol-lowering effect could be sustained.[9] Based on this and other efficacy data, the EFSA scientific panel provided the following health advisory: “Plant sterols have been shown to lower/reduce blood cholesterol. Blood cholesterol lowering may reduce the risk of coronary heart disease".

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Actually, there are GMO Oranges.

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/11/16/epa-approves-field-trials-of-disease-resistant-gmo-citrus-trees/

http://flcitrusmutual.com/files/9172d658-ec9d-45c7-9.pdf

Looks like 2019, if things go well, we could get HLB resistance from Spinach, of all things.

Field trial is not the same as having a crop commercially produced and commercially available. So the labeling is still is misleading.
This from your first link:
If this testing process goes well and Southern Gardens wants to plant a commercial crop, the company will be required to get approval from the EPA and the USDA. In addition, the Food and Drug Administration has an optional approval process for GMO foods.

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Recipes / Re: Soursop Drink
« on: April 24, 2017, 06:14:27 PM »
After I open a ripe soursop I grab  each aril  between the thumb and then push the seed between index -middle finger . Quite a laborious process.
Yes, laborious. Just be very careful to remove all seeds, as they are toxic when crushed in a blender.
(Nothing happens if you accidentally swallow one hard seed whole, as they go right through your digestive system in tact.)

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Yes deceptive labeling occurs on very many products. Another example are fruit and vegetable products that contain labeling that say "no cholesterol". But only animal products contain cholesterol.
I also get a lot of people asking me if the fruit seeds i sell are GMO or not? Really most consumers think that all fruits and vegetables now are genetically manipulated, but the percentage is really quite low. The chemical giants are still mostly interested in altering the major crops, like corn, soybeans, rice, cotton, rape seed (canola), etc. They are slowly branching out into genetically modifying the major fruits and vegetables. I wouldn't be surprised if GMO citrus comes on the scene in just a few years.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless Mango from India
« on: April 21, 2017, 05:38:55 PM »
Seedless mango, whoda thunk it? What's next? Treeless, skinless types? :-)

Weirder yet--there is a skinless jackfruit.  :o

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How do you pronounce cassabanana?
« on: April 21, 2017, 05:33:09 PM »
So, I am growing some cassabanana, and am curious how to pronounce it.
Is it casa banana? ("house banana..."?)
Or cassaba nana? ("melon grandma"...?)
When I tell people what it is, they keep trying to make it be some sort of banana variety...
Closer to your first.
I would think it would be cas-sa-banana


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I got some seeds many years ago and have two trees. I am in Florida and they seem to be growing actively. I have not done anything particular. Back when we had those really tough freezes, one froze to the ground, but came back up. Another time my dear spouse weed wacked it down and it came back just fine. I have terrible soil and have never fertilized.

I had heard the fruit were poisonous??? The birds don't even eat them. I did a quick google check that says the berry is edible but the seeds are poisonous.

Nothing is fruiting now, but when it does, I have lots of seeds. If I remember, I will post in the buy, sell, trade section when seeds are available.

Erica
The fruits are definitely edible. They have a strong spicy taste, but i rather like them. But they are quite small, so not much to them. Eat them when they are fully darkened in color. I've never eaten the seeds, but many fruit seeds are toxic or poisonous, so no surprise there.

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Sorry, Oscar, guess I missed it.
No problem, i posted it long time ago. So it's good you reposted it. I had forgotten some of the info in it, like about it being a nitrogen fixing plant. That's rather odd and interesting.

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You reminded me that i had my first taste of lychees in Paris. At that time i had no idea what they were but decided to give it a go. It was love after that. HAHA
Really good cultivars of durians have aborted seeds, and a very good pulp to seed ratio. The good part of getting large seeds is you will be able to start plants easily.
Yes caimitos (starapple) is a highy under rated fruit. They can be quite excellent at their prime.
The photo of salak you posted looks like wallichiana. But in Thatiland, where it probably came from, they have some very good hybrid crosses. I would guess that is what that is.
That longan looks unusual. Longan seeds are usually black, not brown like in your photo.


Thank you very much for your reply Oscar.
It's nice to know that Paris also had some importance in your tropical fruit adventure.
You're right about the Durian seeds, It's a bit deceptive to have a so big amount of fruit being seeds, but also that provides you nice healthy seeds to start some trees, and if the offspring is at least as good as this one was, I would be very happy. And they're already germinating!
About the starapple, I can't wait for the next opportunity to get another fruit, and to eventually have a producing tree.
It is nice to know that I wasn't completely wrong about the Sallaca ID, and yet better to know that there are hybrids of that genus that can be so good. Just hope one of the plants will one day produce something as good as these fruits I had. By the way, you were right about the origin of the fruits; it came from Thailand, from the same supplier of the Durian (SiamFresh).
About the Longans, I was as surprised as you, by the seed color, the size, the skin and everything else. Could it also be an hybrid? They were absolutely sweet and juicy; the hands were sticking with the juice... With these big seeds, I expect some vigorous seedlings, let's see if my theory confirms.

Durian is one of the most expensive fruits because the pulp to waste ratio is one of the worst of all fruits. It's not just the seeds but also the heavy ring. I posted about this before. In the chanee that i tested i got 28% edible portion and 72% compost (seeds and rinds) by weight.
http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=13525.msg171416#msg171416

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Posted this link long time ago. Has good info. It's what led me to try starting from cuttings. But i had no success with that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taste of Mabolo (Diospyros blancoi)
« on: April 17, 2017, 05:06:10 AM »
What about grafting persimmon onto mabolo ? any tips and info welcome. I would like to graft a selected seedless variety of persimmon ( giant fuyu ) onto seedlings of mabolo I have in quantity. Persimmons are very rare in New Caledonia, and I don't know about any persimmons with seeds in New Caledonia. I have bought many persimmon and lotus seeds from different sources, but could not germinate any of them so far. So I am thinking about grafting onto mabolo to save time and efforts. I also have lots of black sapote seedlings, may be it could work too ?
Look at second post in this thread. He claims they are not compatible. And i fhtink he knows what he's talking about.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Identification Help
« on: April 14, 2017, 04:02:49 AM »
There's lots of different varieties of sapodilla, coming in many different sizes and shapes.

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Yes the seeds confirm it is Fijian longan. Maybe Matoa is a better name, as they are neither longans nor from Fiji. The seeds are very highly perishable so if you want plants you need to plant immediately.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: Pau D'Arco
« on: April 14, 2017, 03:53:18 AM »
I have a Pau D'Arco tree. Here it has been kind of slow growing and has never flowered. It is about 15 feet tall. The part used medicinally is the bark.
I read that in a test of Pau D'Arco products sold over 2/3 turned out to be not the real item or highly adulterated. So if you buy a product research it thoroughly and make sure you get the real thing. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you eat avocado seeds?
« on: April 14, 2017, 03:44:58 AM »
Well, i had to try it. Cooked up several avocado pits. Not going to win any gourmet prizes. Don't know where Morton got information that they taste like almonds? Not even remotely! To me they had a piney, pine needle-like taste, a bit perfumey, and with background bitterness. Also left unpleasant after taste. Maybe different races of avocado taste differently. But not likely to try that one again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nance (Byrsonima crassifolia)
« on: April 14, 2017, 02:33:58 AM »
If you mixed in the blender with water and sugar the whole fruit with seeds inside then strain, add ice and is a delicious refreshing drink, you can also use milk for a milk shake, or here they do pop cycles, or ice cream, is an acquired taste most people don't like first time, but then you can't stop eating them! Also with salt lime and chili, they are awesome!

Had nance ice cream in Brazil. It was one of the best! I have a couple of large nance trees. The rose beetles really like and damage this plant a lot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweetest pineapple?
« on: April 13, 2017, 07:22:53 PM »
Peak season here for white sugarloaf is June-July. Out of that summer time frame they would have to use ethylene to force fruiting.
Simon, when you do your brix test can you also do a comparison pH reading? Would be good to know how much lower the acid content really is on the white sugarloaf?

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A kind of Pometia pinnata lost in West indies ?

Gouralata
Yes i agree. It looks like Fijian longan (Pometia pinnata).

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You reminded me that i had my first taste of lychees in Paris. At that time i had no idea what they were but decided to give it a go. It was love after that. HAHA
Really good cultivars of durians have aborted seeds, and a very good pulp to seed ratio. The good part of getting large seeds is you will be able to start plants easily.
Yes caimitos (starapple) is a highy under rated fruit. They can be quite excellent at their prime.
The photo of salak you posted looks like wallichiana. But in Thatiland, where it probably came from, they have some very good hybrid crosses. I would guess that is what that is.
That longan looks unusual. Longan seeds are usually black, not brown like in your photo.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pachira aquatica seeds
« on: April 13, 2017, 12:21:11 AM »
I also have them, but not fruiting right at this moment. Probably in summer.

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Thanks for reporting.

I hope all of you can grow them just fine... my main pourpose is to spread useful species and some of them should be saved from extinction.

Today I sent 3 more mails.
You're doing a good job. Keep it up! It's nice to have here some plants from Argentina.  8)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Identification Help
« on: April 12, 2017, 11:59:16 PM »
Any reason why the tree might be fruiting so lightly and irregularly? It looks healthy and has a ton of flowers everywhere. It's a 40ft+ mature tree in direct sun. Thanks!
Probably it's underfed. Give it some fert.

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