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I think Noris Ledesma has been trying to propagate this at Fairchild farm unsuccessfully.
Their attempts were with grafting scion, not seeds. They were unsuccesful first few years because they did not have appropriate rootstock, Will not take on most mangiferas. I believe now they have appropriate rootstock.

Which mangiferas is it graft compatible with?  I'm curious if it's possible to graft onto anything that might grow in California.
I think it was wani (M. caesia), onto M. pajang onto M. indica.

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So my father has suffered from insomnia for a very long time and was very skeptical about the passion fruit leaf tea. He often had to take tranquilizers to help him go to sleep and stay asleep. He is a retired doctor and does not believe in homeopathic and herbal medicine. That being said, we made him try the tea. 3 fresh leaves steeped for 15 minutes and drank an hour before bed. It worked so well for him that now he will not go to bed without drinking it. He has been drinking it every night for almost 2 month and swears by it. So thanks Karenrei and everyone else for the very helpful post :)
If it convinced a skeptical doctor then we know it's the real deal.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 23, 2018, 05:18:51 PM »
50 truck loads of soil? Ouch. That must have set you back? Good investment though!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichama in full bloom
« on: April 23, 2018, 12:02:24 AM »
They're beautiful when in flower.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 23, 2018, 12:00:10 AM »
Is that soil you trucked in? Place looking nice. You'll have to give me a tour some day.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 22, 2018, 11:58:45 PM »
Do any of my Hawaii friends out there have lakoocha tree(s)?   Or metawak?  Or pingan? Or chempedek? I need all these for my planting collection.
Have lakoocha, probably some chempadeks also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Porcelia Nitidifolia
« on: April 22, 2018, 01:10:06 AM »
I have a few small plants growing. They are easy to germinate. Have never had the fruit. This is the information Jim sent me with the seeds:

large fast-growing tree, fruits 10-15 cm x 8 cm, plenty of sweet aromatic pulp

I would guess it is self pollinating, otherwise he would have usually noted that it's not.
Will try to get more specific information from him.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 21, 2018, 09:45:02 PM »
You mentioned doing serious pruning. Pruning is apparently very effective with jacks but not sure about the others. With consistent pruning Oscar could those spacing be reduced?

My grafted jacks are planted high density and spaced 15-16ft. I am hoping this is doable long term, time will tell.

I guess you also have the problem that stuff grows more quickly there and so would require higher spacing.
Pruning is effective on all. The only question is, will you really do it consistently? Moxt people lax off after the trees get big, and then they get out of control.

I will (canít speak for op). I use the same spacing for mangoes currently and only have a half acre to play with. Doable at my spacing you reckon?
Yes doable. BTW i think that is the spacing used when jacks are used as windbreak row.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 21, 2018, 06:39:39 PM »
You mentioned doing serious pruning. Pruning is apparently very effective with jacks but not sure about the others. With consistent pruning Oscar could those spacing be reduced?

My grafted jacks are planted high density and spaced 15-16ft. I am hoping this is doable long term, time will tell.

I guess you also have the problem that stuff grows more quickly there and so would require higher spacing.
Pruning is effective on all. The only question is, will you really do it consistently? Moxt people lax off after the trees get big, and then they get out of control.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 21, 2018, 04:42:15 PM »
Thatís right. I forgot to mention I already have a Kwai muk.  From you actually Oscar.  Itís been in the ground 3 years. Itís healthy and strong.  About 10í tall now.

Do you have mentawak? 

As far as spacing goes Iíve got them at about 30í  right now.  So thatís good.  Are the grafted chempedek trees that wide?  Seems like I remember them not getting so big.   I will take a picture tomorrow morning to show scale.
Don't have any mentawak plants right now. Maybe in a few months. Yes the grafting will probably dwarf the chempadek a bit. Where did you get it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Pineapple
« on: April 21, 2018, 03:42:42 AM »
Best in what way? For eating? That looks to me like Ananas bracteatus, not really edible. An ornamental.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus collection and spacing
« on: April 21, 2018, 02:06:01 AM »
I'd give them all 30 foot spacing, except for the pedalai, marang, and mendi. (Mendi is common name for elsasticus.) These 3 get wider and taller. I'd give them 40 foot spacing. Pedalai could even need 50 feet if you don't keep seriously pruning it.
Keep in mind that on rocky ground the big 3 can put up some serious roots above ground. Also they have heavy leaf litter. So hope you are not planning on mowing under them?
Other good artocarpus i would add are mentawak and kwai muk.
Sounds like a fun project. Good luck with all. You will soon have an artocarpus jungle!


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kasturi mango ?
« on: April 20, 2018, 11:10:06 PM »
I have several trees. They have all been fruiting for several years. They are all laden with fruit right now, bus still green. Its a good tasting fruit, very similar to mango, but quite a bit smaller. Best thing about it is it does not get anthracnose, so will fruit dependently, without spraying, in rainy areas.

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Things have changed. Now cashew fruits which are not astringent have been developed. The fruits are used to make squashes and in Goa a fine distilled liquor called "Fenny" is a big industry!!
Great!
I did have a chance to try the liquor in Goa. But i think that can be made even from astringent fruits.

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It's a bit off topic but I wanted to clarify the ongoing thought that California is "humidity free". I find it annoying as hell to constantly read about our "zero" humidity. Extremely low humidity is found in Death Valley...on the occasion we get some Santa Ana winds in LA/OC then our relative humidity drops into the teens or single digits even down to the coast. At my location (about 9-10 bird miles) I have an average of 50% humidity in my yard (over the year/quite a bit more in the summer). Granted my yard is lush but I planned it that way, and isn't far off the data I read about other locations close by. I realize that 50% humidity isn't considered humid but it isn't the Mongolian desert either. I realize our sporadic rainfall might lead to the misconception that we are drier than we are...air wise. The driest place on earth in the Atacama desert in Chile has close to zero rainfall but it is humid FYI. I grew up in Denver and often times the humidity was close to zero...not always of course...but it happens. Just an illustration. Go on about your day/night. Peace. Chris
Great you were able to achieve 50 percent humidity. Probably introducing a pond would raise it even higher. I've lived in southern California, and believe me, compared to anywhere in true tropics it really is LOW humidity. So yeah, it's all relative. But many tropicals really thrive  much better when they have above 80 percent humidity. So it all depends on what exactly you are trying to grow?
As side note: true tropics is usually defined as lowland areas in equator to 23 degrees. So plants originating above 23 degrees are usually considered sub tropical, not tropical. For example, lychee and longans are really a sub tropical plants. That is why it is hard to get them to fruit in the tropics.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peaches growing in Hawaii?
« on: April 19, 2018, 03:28:41 AM »
Oscar are you growing the Red Ceylon peach?
No, but i've seen them growing Kona side.

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The second photo shows immature fruits. When they mature, the fruits will be larger as in the first photo!!!
Yes the fruits are immature. But on my trees when the fruit is that size the nut is also a lot smaller than in that photo.
In Brazil there has been a lot of genetic and selection work done on cashews. One development program is towards producing good large nuts. The other program is towards producing good quality fruits, meaning not only large, and sweet, but also totally non astringent. A juice is made in Brazil thet is very high quality, tasting similar to apple juice.
All the fruits in India are usually just discarded, as they are so astringent.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peaches growing in Hawaii?
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:35:39 AM »
I tried several Florida low chill types, including Floridaprince, and none did well at my elevation, 600 ft. I think that above 2000 ft. would be more likely to do well. I think the Red Ceylon peach also does better above 1000 ft. The other big problem growing peaches here, especially at lower elevation is fruit fly. They will really nail all the fruits unless you bag them.
I've pretty much given up trying to grow peaches here. I think plums, like Methley, are more likely to do well. I might try that one again.

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About to harvest some coffee, and I'm wondering... is there anything worth doing with the flesh of coffee berries?  I've sampled them before, and they're... underwhelming.  Sweet, but a leafy taste.  Wondering if there's any application in which they're actually good. Or whether I should just wet ferment the cherries to try to impart a sweeter flavour to the "beans".
There is a company here making a commercial beverage from juice of the fruit pulp. But they add other ingredients as well to flavor it up.

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I got wired by eating a bunch of fresh berries from Marks tree. The flesh tastes like sugar water.

Simon
You got wired from the sugars, not any caffeine in the fruit pulp.

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On a tangent, there are many different species of Garcinia in Bolivia, not just what we are on this forum calling achachairu. The word "achachairu" in Bolivia refers to all garcinias there, and they have 8 or more species, and several unnamed species.

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I've ordered twice from this seller. I think he is really top notch. He seemed to me to do the impossible: sent very perishable seeds and they arrived in absolutely perfect condition. They were perfectly clean and immaculately packaged. Also he processed and sent the package incredibly fast. We are lucky to have him in our group.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« on: April 18, 2018, 06:56:11 AM »
Mine are starting to flower. Will try to post photo later.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree for So Cal
« on: April 18, 2018, 06:51:59 AM »
What about white sapote? Large, deciduous. Only messy if you don't harvest the fruits. It is very productive, but can be a really great fruit.
BTW, why do you want the tree to be deciduous? That seems to be counter to it giving shade all year and not being messy.

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Plenty of humidity here. But without hand pollination you will only get a few quite small fruits to form. I've heard rumors that putting pieces of pineapple on the tree attracts beetles that help to pollinate, but have not tried it. Maybe i still can. I've only removed 2 of my 4 trees due to lack of production and some laziness to remove remaining 2.

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