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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: Today at 08:12:59 PM »
Thanks Scott,

I have several White Jades that are huge and should Fruit very soon, probably this Winter. I also have this small White Jade Fruit that is a bit of a runt. This plant was recently separated from its 8 other sisters that were all cramped into one large pot.



Simon

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This year, I will be innarching polyembryonic varieties such as Lemon Zest and Sweet Tart with vigorous Puerto Rican Turpentine seedlings from Leo Manuel. Leo was right and these Par seedlings that he recommended to me is one of the most vigorous seedlings I have seen. They have caught up to and exceeded the growth of all other seeds I planted this year. Here is a picture of Lemon Zest, Sweet Tart,  Valencia Pride, Keitt and several other varieties that are 1-2 months older than the PR Turpentine seedlings but the PR Turpentine seedlings are 2-3 inches taller than all other seedlings.
















Simon

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I just want to post some pictures to document the growth rate of some of my new experimental seedlings. I want to post images of the seedlings along with the date they were planted into their pots. The date that is on the label is the date that I stuck the seed into the pot.

These experiments are a continuation of my DSG(Double Stone Graft) experiments which failed due to low survivability and multiple issues associated with grafting with mature scions, namely that they flower in about one year from seed sprouting.

From my previous California Super Mango Rootstock experiments, Iíve concluded that two rootstocks is enough to boost the vigor of young plants and this minimizes the use of rootstocks and time it takes to graft. I did notice slightly more vigor on plants with more than two rootstocks but the time and effort is not worth the slight increase in vigor compared to double rootstocks. The difference between the vigor on single vs double rootstocks is dramatic.

Simon

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here is monster seed trying to explode with very strong roots, it came from 30-brix sweet tart I had from my yard.

its in pot now waiting to sprout!


Behl, thatís awesome, I have several ST and LZ seedlings growing. I came up with a technique to split polyembryonic Mango seedlings. Simply grow the seed in a pot and once the seedlings are several inches tall, dig them up and crack the seed along the ridge lines.








Simon

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Cyndie,

Thanks for posting all the pictures! You have a great selection. I am eager to see how your trees perform since most of them are on Florida rootstocks. There were several members here from this forum that planted many Mango trees from Florida and when I messaged them to ask how their trees are doing, they told me that the majority of the trees have already died or are in decline with very slow growth.

Some varieties, namely the more vigorous varieties seem to grow well and even thrive but my observations so far is that the trees would probably be even larger and more productive if it were on a different rootstock. If your soil has a good pH, good draining, mulched well and you get enough heat units, the Florida trees may perform well for you. We have one member here that has lots of Florida trees that seem to be thriving but he is one of only a handful of people having success with Florida rootstock trees so far.

Even when Florida trees grow well here, they tend to be droopy and need to be propped up and it can sometimes take several years before you see a decline in growth rate.

Most your trees look good so far so hopefully they will grow well for you. I recommend planting a few random seedlings next year from store bought fruit and see how their growth rate compares to the Florida rootstock trees. You may be shocked, maybe not?
Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: Today at 04:21:20 PM »
Thanks Jimmy and Mark,

I will be cautious with the unripe Pineapple but Iím verycurious to see how it tastes so Iím going to take one for the team and try at least one piece. Iíll update with how it turns out if I survive!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: November 23, 2017, 10:53:05 PM »
Sad sad day today. I just got back from Thanksgiving dinner at the in laws house and found my White Jade pineapple fruit had snapped off at the stalk. We have had unusually warm weather, it was 91F, and it appearsappears that the warmth stimulated excessive growth of the many tops which caused the stalk to snap. This fruit still had about another month before it is supposed to be ripe according to the 6 month rule.

At least I got 6 large clones from the base of the fruit and another 9 smaller clones from the base of the crown. This fruit is still very green and has pointy eyes so Iím not expecting much in terms of sweetness and flavor from it. If itís too sour, Iíll just take a miracle fruit before eating the fruit.

In hind site, I should have supported the Fruit when I saw it leaning over a bit. Iím hanging it upside down for one day before I cut it up because it still has a large piece of stalk attached to it which may still provide a bit of sugar.









Simon

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That would be odd to release plant material to the public and then work on the patent or wait for the patent to go through.

Simon

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Wow, I didnít know Cotton Candy was patented. Can anyone else confirm this?

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: cherimoya top working
« on: November 18, 2017, 04:21:04 PM »
Iíve never stumped a large Cherimoya at this time of year. I wonder if it will grow back or stall before pushing? I would think a large established tree would force new growth in order to survive but Iíve never done it myself, at this time of year.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: CA Keiit rootstock
« on: November 17, 2017, 12:59:06 PM »
My best recommendation for those trying to grow out Mango seedlings is to plant many different types of mango seeds and see which ones grow best in your soil and climate. Monoembryonic seedlings can be very different from each other. For example, if you plant 100 Keitt seeds, not all the seedlings will grow at the same rate and needless to say, all 100 seedlings can have completely different tasting fruit from each other. Having noted this disclaimer, from my personal highly unscientific observations, the majority of Monoembryonic seedlings arising from plantingís of Kent/Keitt for example will grow in a similar manner and rate of growth with very similar phenotypic attributes, as a seedling. I have not grown any to maturity so far so I cannot say how they will turn out when fully mature.

This makes some sense because all Monoembryonic seedlings share at least one parent for a given variety so approximately 50% of its genetics is shared between these Monoembryonic seedlings. When I say that I have observed similar phenotypic characteristics between seedlings from Monoembryonic seeds, I mean that even their leaf shape, size, color, texture and even the smell of their sap is very similar to each other. I am Not saying that they are clones but I am hypothesizing that many of the fruit from these Monoembryonic varieties are actually selfed and share many of the same genes.

More assumptions can be made with Polyembryonic seedlings but the issue arises about which seedling is actually the clone and I donít want to go into details about this as Iíve explained it numerous times already.

So, to make a long story longer, plant many kinds of seeds both Monoembryonic and Polyembryonic and plant multiple varieties of each in order to pull from a wider gene pool. Every gardener will have slightly different soil and climate so there is no single best rootstock for everyone although there may be some exceptional rootstocks that generally work well in many areas such as Florida Turpentine rootstock for trees grown in Florida. By planting diverse seeds, you let the seeds show you which one prefers your specific location the best. Select the strongest most vigorous seedling and if growing in marginal climates especially in regards to cold weather, donít graft with mature scion until your tree is established and fruiting size or else it will flower and waste energy.

I used to highly recommend Lavern Manilla rootstock and I still do because it is widely available for most gardeners in SoCal but I have found that most random seedlings work really well and Iím getting even faster growth with some random seedlings compared to Lavern Manilla. If you use Lavern Manilla, or any potted Mango tree for that matter, you must ensure it is not root/pot bound and the sooner you get it into the ground, the better. A Lavern Manilla stuck in a pot for many months or years before being planted out will very likely show stunted growth.

Simon

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Awesome trees, that grandma looks so sweet, reminds me of my grandma. I love these big old fruit trees.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: CA Keiit rootstock
« on: November 15, 2017, 01:24:25 PM »
Yes it does, it grows vigorously with a thick trunk for a seedling. Keitt seedlings will require heat to sprout at this time of year.

Simin

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to bud graft Mango
« on: November 14, 2017, 07:54:16 PM »
LZ seems to fruit well on Lavern Manilla rootstock but it is picky on some other rootstocks. I like PPK as well and have a grafted tree on Lavern Manilla. Those are beautiful Fruit. Did you happen to get a Brix reading? My fruit were around 30% and tasted excellent. The early Fruit were lower Brix and had a bit less flavor.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to bud graft Mango
« on: November 14, 2017, 04:08:02 PM »
Thera, thatís awesome! Nice growth youíre getting on the Lavern Manilla rootstock. How did your LZ mangos taste?

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to bud graft Mango
« on: November 14, 2017, 03:34:17 PM »
Iíve never tried bud grafting mango but Iíve done some other fruit trees with success. This gives me hope and can be especially useful when scion material is very limited.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How to bud graft Mango
« on: November 13, 2017, 11:22:52 PM »
Hereís another Truly Tropical video on bud grafting Mango.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HrfKElaaO14

Simon

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Not all top tier Mango varieties are patented, in fact, I only know of Coconut Cream that is patented.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple slips, what to do?
« on: November 13, 2017, 09:36:23 PM »
Nice looking plant Mark,

My plant looks similar to yours and I am leaving the baby plants on until I harvest the fruit. Let us know how your fruit tastes!

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Large Earthquake Struck Costa Rica
« on: November 13, 2017, 08:27:09 AM »
Wow, seems to be a really bad year for disasters. I hope everyone is OK in Costa Rica.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Micro yard tour June 8th 2013
« on: November 13, 2017, 08:24:48 AM »
Beautiful yard Zands, I bet those trees are pretty large now. Your yard is very green and lush, mine has weeds growing everywhere. Time to motivate and clean up my yard:)

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest And Lemon Meringue Mangoes
« on: November 12, 2017, 09:13:35 PM »
I think it has bad reviews because it probably does not contain Artificial PGRs. It probably has something like Willow extract. Something as simple as a jiffy pellet would probably work even better but I love trying out new stuff.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lemon Zest And Lemon Meringue Mangoes
« on: November 12, 2017, 06:55:43 PM »
Thanks for the heads up. Gel2root says itís for green or softwood cuttings so Iím not surprised it was not very successful for pomegranates. Poms are easily air layered but cuttings root best when brown or hardened wood is taken in a the dormant season around Winter or very early Spring.

I used to make and use defined growth media with various concentrations of PGRs but now Iím working in a different field and Iím too busy with my kids to look up protocols. One can easily find generic formulas online and pour their own agarose.

I believe the product would work well with its intended target such as Tomatoís in Spring or Summer. My seeds that I stuck into this gel will be deprived of Oxygen very quickly since I fully submerged the seeds but I want to see how long they will last before they give out. In the picture, you can see one seed has a root forming already so I should have pulled it out but I like to see how much abuse they can take. Iíll proba pull that one out and see if it can be revived from suffocation:)

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My first taste of Dr. White cherimoya
« on: November 11, 2017, 04:19:05 PM »
In no particular order, I like El Bumpo, Orton, Pierce, Booth, Dr White and Selma.

Simon

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Keitt at Aldi
« on: November 11, 2017, 10:26:28 AM »
Thanks Fruitfool!

Simon

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