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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia... yum
« on: Today at 08:21:45 AM »
Nice size tree and fruit!  How many fruit were on that tree?  Was the fruit firm or snotty? I understand Rollinia are shy bloomers and low in fruit production. I am only asking because I'd like to hear other peoples experiences. I have a small tree and know that attempting to get it to bloom well, let alone fruit will be difficult in my climate. I think I see several flowers on my tree growing in now with the new growth, but only time will tell.
That has not been my experience, though rollinia does do better in a humid climate like we have here. Mine is flowering heavily now, and generally sets fruit well on its own.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropic Beauty Peaches almost ready?
« on: April 26, 2017, 10:49:05 PM »
Look at the top where the stem connects. When the green color there disappears and turns to yellow or orange you're good to pick, even if it isn't soft yet.

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Not sure on the wax jambu, but with annonas the idea is you generally prune back last season's growth by roughly a third, and strip off old leaves at about the time when temps are favorable for new growth. They will push new growth and drop the old leaves on their own, but pruning and stripping leaves can get that new growth happening sooner.

I know a peach grower that chemically defoliates by basically chemically burning the leaves with...I think it was ZnS04, but it could have been some other fertilizer spray. I imagine the same approach could be done with annonas, though I haven't seen any documentation of growers doing so.

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There isn't much out there that will produce a shade tree as fast as a Muntingia calabura.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 20, 2017, 12:27:45 AM »
Does these look like successful hand pollination ?


Too early to definitively say, but the stems still look thick and green, and there's good coloration on the part (carpels I think is the term) that would become the fruit. The early signs of fruit set for me are enlargement of the carpels and the stem remaining firmly attached 24+ hours after pollen drop.  If me and a buddy were betting $5, I'd go with them being set, but at $10 I might not take that bet.

Here's a Dream atemoya that I'd bet $20 is fruit set.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 19, 2017, 11:32:10 AM »
So once you pollenate the female flower . Does the female flower still turn into a male flower  when fully open and can I still collect pollen from iit?

Yes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 19, 2017, 08:54:21 AM »

So I took one of the dried out flower and shake it over a container . So is this pollen?


Those are anthers, the things the pollen falls from. The pollen itself is a very fine yellow/white powder. If you're just getting anthers and no pollen, you need to collect pollen earlier in the day. Here in SWFL my atemoyas open in the male stage at about 5:30 give or take.

A black or darkly colored container is preferred for pollen collection because it allows you to more easily see the actual pollen.

I'd also add that for my sugar apples, the first flowers it pushes out are super tiny (maybe 1/2" long) and don't really seem to set fruit or give much pollen. I usually ignore those until I see flowers about 1" long or more.

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In my book a good sugar apple (A. squamosa) is absolutely worth growing, its just that most atemoyas are going to be better, and proper cherimoyas (A cherimola) will be better still. I might have some McPherson cherimoya fruit set down here in SWFL, keep your fingers crossed for me that they hold to maturity. ;-)

For custard apple (A. reticulata), I'm a fan of them because they bear in the spring when most sugar apples and atemoya aren't holding fruit here in Florida. If I could grow atemoya year round though, I probably wouldn't grow any custard apples. That said they're a good fruit in their own right that bears when many others don't, so I'll try and find the best custard apples I can to keep me eating annonas as close to year round as possible.

For my tastes even the lowly Gefner atemoya is still a great fruit for Florida, ranking above many other things we can grow here. Lisa is hands down a better fruit, as is Dream, but I'd still eat Gefner all day long.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 18, 2017, 10:40:24 PM »
On this topic, and speaking of youtube videos, I was studying one about hand pollination of cherimoya that talked about humid vs dry climates, stating that in humid climates you don't need to hand pollinate. I thought it had to do with there being or not being pollinators that do their thing with these flowers. I don't get how the humidity can make the difference. Can someone explain?
The difference is in humid climates the female part of the flower stays wet, and therefore receptive to pollen, for a longer period. The pollinators can be there in both cases, but in a humid climate you extend the receptive window, which means a higher chance of successful pollination.

Either way, the prudent annona grower absolutely should hand pollinate because it means better fruit set and larger fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: anona scions
« on: April 18, 2017, 02:05:53 PM »
    Ok . I am anxiously waiting LOL .  Oh BTW I was at Exotica last Monday and they had a 15 gallon " White Ilama "  I had not heard of a white Ilama so I hesitated to buy it. Have you ever heard of one ? It was grafted but Leo didn't seem to have any info on it.


 William

Those exotica so call white ilamas are atemoyas I wish Steve stop calling white ilamas

I'm going to start naming atemoya varieties different colors of Llama. "No, not I-lama, L-lama! Yes, the plant is called blue llama atemoya!"
Oh great - more confusion!  What about the other llama relatives (Alpaca, Guanaco, and Vicuņa) they could be contenders.  ;D
 

Lol, that's an even better idea! Any I-lama varieties get named after L-lama relatives!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: anona scions
« on: April 18, 2017, 12:20:06 PM »
    Ok . I am anxiously waiting LOL .  Oh BTW I was at Exotica last Monday and they had a 15 gallon " White Ilama "  I had not heard of a white Ilama so I hesitated to buy it. Have you ever heard of one ? It was grafted but Leo didn't seem to have any info on it.


 William

Those exotica so call white ilamas are atemoyas I wish Steve stop calling white ilamas

I'm going to start naming atemoya varieties different colors of Llama. "No, not I-lama, L-lama! Yes, the plant is called blue llama atemoya!"

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You sure what you bought locally is a cherimoya and not chirimoya?  I dont know many SFla cherimoya growers or nurseries selling cherimoyas.  Was there a variety name on it or is it a seedling?  Custard apple,  which some call churimoya, do fine here but us in no way similar or comparable to a cherimoya.

Yup, I confirmed it is Chirimoya.  What is the difference. Hard for me to find any info online.  Keeps referring me to Cherimoya.  Any photo links or information links on the tree, fruit, quality, etc. would be awesome. I planted it about 1 year ago, it dropped its leaves during winter and now has new growth everywhere.  Its about 7Ft tall or so, but not the loveliest looking thing if you know what I mean.
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Chirimoya = Annona reticulata AKA Custard apple.

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That looks like it had a branch there that died back, and a new shoot grew just below that. I'd say not grafted.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Bark Grafting Mango
« on: April 08, 2017, 08:10:16 AM »
I helped a local grower do some bark grafting on a few older nonproductive trees he had already stumped. Neither of us had done it before but I'm pretty sure he said he got most of them to take. We basically did it just like the video in the OP, except we used grafting wax to seal things up instead of mud. Once mango season starts up again I'll get some pictures.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is growing Imbe worth my time?
« on: April 02, 2017, 10:29:12 PM »
The few times I've had the fruit it was pretty underwhelming. If I had a ton of space I'd grow it. Otherwise I wouldn't waste valuable space on it.

I have one in ground, and plan in trying to graft achachairu on it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Custard apple San Pablo
« on: April 01, 2017, 01:06:19 PM »
On my Fernandez the color distinctly lightened over the course of a few days, and the lower two thirds went from rock hard to slightly rubbery to soft.

Edit: Pics posted in this thread: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=23232.0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona IDs
« on: March 31, 2017, 10:53:10 AM »
Update: 3 days from that last pic the color on this Fernandez fruit lightened distinctly and is now slightly soft on the bottom half. Cut it from the tree today and will let it soften on the counter until the top half is also soft.

(That's 1.6lb for the non-metric folks.)


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If a nursery is charging you sales tax on fruit trees even without a resale cert, they're doing it wrong.

So Lowes and Home Depot shouldn't be charging sales tax?

Not on any plant used to make food for human consumption, no. Those are specifically exempt from sales tax.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inducing flowering and fruiting
« on: March 29, 2017, 04:32:14 PM »
any way to induce blooming on guava and sugar apple trees?

Pruning and stripping leaves helps sugar apple. No clue on guava.

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I could be doing things very wrong but I have never signed up for a sales tax cert. The fertilizer wholesaler offered me tax exempt paperwork but I never ended up using it because I didn't want to get screwed until I did my taxes the first year. I have an LLC and a nursery license. I have also purchased wholesale trees only using my nursery license and I normally pay with my nursery LLC check or credit card. This will be my first year doing the taxes for my business so I could be in for some terrible surprises. I actually haven't sold any of my hoard of trees yet and all of my business income comes from labor. I will finally get rid of some of the stockpile towards the end of May as a vendor at a tree sale. I will be propagating 99% of my inventory from here on out since my rootstock cycles are now coming up to size. I never had an instance where I needed to charge sales tax so hopefully there aren't any fees stacking up.
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Depending on what type of labor that is, you may have been required to collect sales tax on that. I'd look into that.

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I'd talk to the plant inspection folks local to you and make sure they're happy with how you're filling the form out. Mine here basically said fill it out and mail it in, but I got a cranky call from some lady up in Gainesville because those guys were supposed to come out and inspect before I sent it in I guess. At least that's what she seemed to think. Maybe I wasn't supposed to check the nurseryman vs stock dealer boxes? Either way, one of the local inspectors showed up here out of the blue a few months later and I'm good to go now. Call them, they're there to answer all of our stupid questions about their stupid forms. ;-)

I've had no problem getting wholesale pricing with just my certificate of nursery registration, but apparently that may vary place to place.

What these other folks are saying about a resale certificate for supplies and other taxable things you may sell is absolutely correct. I'm just begging to differ on the necessity for strictly fruit tree and other food producing plant/seed/cutting sales, since they're exempt from sales tax in FL. If a nursery is charging you sales tax on fruit trees even without a resale cert, they're doing it wrong.

Dom


I think you are correct as that is the form and the people I had called today. Where I was confused is where I think you need an inspection for one of the choices. I would be option 2 (stock dealer) since I would be buying and selling and not growing and selling. I also probably need a resale cert to buy from the nurseries as well to keep from paying their sales tax. This might be all I need to get this done. Thank you!

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I am interested in buying tropical fruit trees at wholesale to be able to resell but I am not sure where I need to go. Does anyone know a grower or nursery where I can buy trees cheap in Florida? I am most interested in Mango trees.  I am located in West Orlando.


You need a Florida nursery license. Not expensive. Regulations are on  line. Pretty much any yokel qualifies. Pay your taxes quarterly or they will go after you. If you have nothing to report they still want a quarterly report from you.


Actually Zands a Nursury license is not a requirement all you need is a re-sale certificate.


You may be mixing terms between the sales tax and plant inspection side of things. There's the FL Dept of Revenue (sales tax), and the FL Dept of Agriculture (plant inspection). The sales tax resale certificate has absolutely nothing to do with the buying and selling of fruit trees. If you're selling non-food plants (ie: ornamentals), you absolutely are dealing in taxable items, and absolutely need to register for sales tax collection, do quarterly reports, etc.

If you are growing your own plants and selling them as well as maybe selling plants purchased from others, you need to register as a nurseryman. If you are not producing your own plants at all, and are only reselling plants purchased from other nurserymen, you must register as a nursery stock dealer. Those are the only two options for legally buying and selling plants in the state of FL according to the FL dept of Ag. Source: http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Plant-Industry/Business-Services/Registrations-and-Certifications/Nursery-and-Stock-Dealer-Registration-Information


I obtained the nursury license long after I started my LLC and obtained sales tax cert.  OP inquired about wholesale mango purchases for resale.  Wholesale vendors request copy of sales tax cert before they sell to you.


Cool, maybe I misread it but it seemed like you were telling him he didn't need a nursery license to sell it. Buying it wholesale with a sales tax cert may be fine, but reselling it is not.

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I am interested in buying tropical fruit trees at wholesale to be able to resell but I am not sure where I need to go. Does anyone know a grower or nursery where I can buy trees cheap in Florida? I am most interested in Mango trees.  I am located in West Orlando.


You need a Florida nursery license. Not expensive. Regulations are on  line. Pretty much any yokel qualifies. Pay your taxes quarterly or they will go after you. If you have nothing to report they still want a quarterly report from you.


Actually Zands a Nursury license is not a requirement all you need is a re-sale certificate.


You may be mixing terms between the sales tax and plant inspection side of things. There's the FL Dept of Revenue (sales tax), and the FL Dept of Agriculture (plant inspection). The sales tax resale certificate has absolutely nothing to do with the buying and selling of fruit trees. If you're selling non-food plants (ie: ornamentals), you absolutely are dealing in taxable items, and absolutely need to register for sales tax collection, do quarterly reports, etc.

If you are growing your own plants and selling them as well as maybe selling plants purchased from others, you need to register as a nurseryman. If you are not producing your own plants at all, and are only reselling plants purchased from other nurserymen, you must register as a nursery stock dealer. Those are the only two options for legally buying and selling plants in the state of FL according to the FL dept of Ag. Source: http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divisions-Offices/Plant-Industry/Business-Services/Registrations-and-Certifications/Nursery-and-Stock-Dealer-Registration-Information

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Sorry for dragging things off topic.

Fruitscapes and Zill are great. You might also check out Pine Island Nursery and Excalibur.

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Good point. I suppose when one is looking to buy farm equipment over a certain price that would be worth pursuing. Otherwise for someone selling nothing but exempt items, I can't see the headache being worth it.

It seems fairly clear to me registration for sales tax purposes is only necessary if you're dealing in taxable items:
https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=SALES%20AND%20USE%20TAX&ID=12A-1.060

Dom if you dont registration then you will not have a tax exempt number and you have to pay tax on all the 
other things you buy.

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