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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: venus mango
« on: June 21, 2017, 05:07:14 PM »
My Venus has gigantic leaves.  Like nothing I've ever seen on a mango tree.  I will try to post some pics later.

Mine too. It was in a shaded spot for a bit with the previous owner, and the new growth after about a month or so in ground here is similarly large.

Really?  Does anyone hand-pollinate soursop?  Mine seems perfectly capable of producing huge fruit on its own.

Both times Har has come to Fort Myers to talk to our Fruit club he has strongly encouraged folks to hand pollinate soursop to get the comically large fruit one sees pictures of from time to time. He also encouraged using your finger instead of a paint brush to apply pollen, because the sticky stuff tends to bunch up on the brush.

Next time you've got a soursop look at the distribution of the spikes you see that correspond to each segment. Where they're bunched together and the fruit is misshapen is a spot where better pollination would have yielded a larger fruit.

That was the gist of his argument, and it seems sound to me.

Here an update on my fathers seedling soursop tree.
Its doing really good. So far this he picked 4 this year
Probably another 40 more

Around 2.5 lbs each

Here is the tree, about the size of a single story flat.
Second year fruiting

Congrats, that's a whole bunch of delicious fruit! Any chance of teaching him to hand pollinate so he can get some real whopper sized soursop?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya seeds floating
« on: June 18, 2017, 11:17:50 AM »
As cherimoya seeds dry they go from black to sort of a Chestnut brown. Rehydrating is the reverse, with them darkening starting at the point. Almost all of mine will float at first. I'll usually start them in hot tap water and stir the bunch with my finger whenever I happen to talk by. With each stir a few more sink.

I dont like how gleeful people are in tearing someone down who's trying to do something new. I think the gloating is much worse for us in general than any shortcuts thompson might have taken. I think we should celebrate the attempt or maybe be a bit disappointed that it was done wrong, but not happy to see him fail.

Your statement assumes not only that he knew what he was doing but that there is any chance of a cold hardy mango...not likely.

Another certain breeder visited him and just by his short visit knew he was full of _ _ _ _

I don't know enough about this fellow to judge for myself one way or another.

If this was a legit attempt at doing something pushing the limits of what mangos can do, I agree that it is awesome and should be encouraged. Being mocked for trying to do the seemingly impossible sort of goes with the territory though, so I'm not going to get too upset over folks dancing on this grave. For better or worse that's just human nature, and personally I'm not interested in pissing into a wind that strong.

If he was a huckster selling hype and snake oil, the failure deserves every last bit of glee. I freaking hate hucksters.

Nam Doc Mai is huge in the asian community, and I think complies with all the qualities you're looking for.

(Don't tell anyone, but I find that offering an incomplete or poor answer to a question can motivate more knowledgeable folks to pitch in.)

Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer." Quoted from:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Custard Apple Pollination Question
« on: June 03, 2017, 09:54:37 PM »
Bees are irrelevant, Annona reticulata (called custard apple here in the US) is pollinated by nitidulid beetles, just like sugar apple, cherimoya and atemoya (which are called custard apples in Australia). Sure, custard apples will set fruit here in FL without hand pollination, but you will get more fruit and larger fruit set with hand pollination.

You mentioned this is the first time these trees are flowering. How large are they?

Yes. You will get little to zero fruits if you ignore it. Follow these simple steps

But again, I'm in south Miami Florida, almost in the Florida Keys. The gentelmen in the video remarks that hand pollination is not necessary for locations like mine, let alone the fact that I have bee hives on my land. He is also discussing Cherimoya rather than custard Apple. That said, I understand it can't hurt but I'd also hate to start a practice that isn't necessary, seeing as this is my first go around. I may mark a few flowers I don't hand pollinate and see how they produce. I guess that's the only way to truly know.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: your favorite research sites?
« on: June 03, 2017, 05:59:38 AM »
A Google search for whatever plant I'm looking for plus IFAS is usually where I start. Ex: "atemoya ifas" will get you any UF Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences articles on atemoya. Ifas articles are usually pretty decent on spelling out plant needs for anything that can grow in FL.

When I really want to break out the submarines, I use paired with

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: I feel like bragging a little
« on: May 26, 2017, 06:03:27 PM »
Congrats man!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh Jackfruit
« on: May 22, 2017, 10:57:18 PM »
Ripe Jackfruit (NS-1) from around 5 pounds to 30 pounds on the tree at $2 per pound.

Call, text or email me. Don't PM me.


You're missing a digit from your phone number Ray.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Flower Buds on African Pride
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:02:45 AM »
If you can dry and freeze the pollen, it will last up to a few months in the freezer. Reference:

I use one of those mini dehumidifiers inside a ziploc freezer bag as my dessication chamber. Just put your open pollen container in the bag with the dehumidifier for 90min, then cap the container and put it straight in the freezer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are Atemoya seeds true to type
« on: May 14, 2017, 10:30:52 PM »
No. As most atemoya are only a generation or two removed from a pure cherimoya x sugar apple hybrid, they're generally highly variable from seed.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 06:57:07 PM »
I have nitidulid beetles in abundance, and I don't think my multiplier is anywhere close to 10x on my sugar apple. On my Gefner atemoya though, fruit set is easily 6x, possibly as high as 10x with hand pollination.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Adam Shafran?
« on: May 11, 2017, 06:53:37 PM »
Adam is a super nice guy.  I drove up there for other business, and he took the time out to meet with me; and we got a chance to tour the orchard until the rain decided to wash the pitangatuba juices off of us.

Now, I don't recommend just showing up, as we had been trying to connect for over a year--but both our schedules suck.

I had the honor of picking out some nice specimens, and took a gander at his in ground red jabos.  Superb.

It is my understanding he has started another business as well, so the orchard may not be his only endeavor anymore.

Being a one man show is tough, so just be patient.  Sometimes a break is just needed from it all, and his prices are too low for the effort.  I highly suggest anyone who can to offer him more (tip if you want to call it) for whatever you buy and make it worth his time.

He is highly knowledgeable.and has a good thing going with FFF.

Adam is a really nice guy, and was a great host to us when we visited a while back. FFF is a great business, and I'd buy stuff from him again in a heartbeat.

Regarding the other business, the troll in me hopes his other business is a local business totally unrelated to tropical fruit, and the phone number gets regular calls from fruit nuts trying to track down a jaboticaba.  ;D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 09:53:55 AM »
I figured the day would come when my sugar apples would be too large to hand pollinate, so this year with them both getting rather tall, I stopped doing it by hand. The first two branches I watched closely had 7 flowers on them and as the dead flowers fell two stuck and the two little fruits are developing nicely. Coincidentally this is about the same rate of fruiting as I got with hand pollination over the last few years.

Granted it's only a few flowers, but as I watch them I hope that I see similar results over the next few weeks. Has anyone else left their sugar apples alone and watched them for fruit development?

My money would be on the difference being the % of large symmetrical fruit, not so much the % fruit set overall. I'm interested to see what other folks experience has been. There's a local grower here in SWFL with a few acres of sugar apples. He doesn't do any hand pollination that I know of, and his trees set about as well as mine does with hand pollination. My tree is a seedling from one of his and is pretty well identical in fruit appearance and quality. I definitely got larger fruit on average than I saw at his place.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple pollination experiment
« on: May 11, 2017, 09:29:59 AM »
Not a hijack but quick sidenote...i currently have lots of flowers at the same female stage this morning..and very little pollen collected to hand pollinate... there's a row of pond apples with plenty flowers by the canal near me..can  i collect pollen for hand pollinating the sugar apple?

You can try, but they're not likely to take since pond apple is more closely related to soursop than sugar apple. If they did, there'd be a good chance of your sugar apples tasting less than desirable because of pseudo-xenic effects seen in annonas, which means the pollen source can change the quality of the fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please help identify this tree
« on: May 07, 2017, 04:56:30 PM »
It looks like a strawberry guava( psidium cattleianum) but a close up of the fruit and leaves would be easier to identify. It looks like it has fruit
on it now? Take a close up of the plant in the pot as well.

I'll second that; it looks like strawberry guava to me too.

Personally I'm not convinced Dream is a true cherimoya, but rather a really good atemoya. That said I do have a few available grafted on either cherimoya or custard apple ( A. reticulata) rootstock in 1gal for $25 each. Shipping $15.

Ray, does Otto live up to the hype? How does it taste compared to other Jabos?

It's beyond a doubt the best tasting jabuticaba by far. It has a unique taste unlike any other and has a thin skin as a bonus and that's also sweet. Imagine all the flavors of  fruit loop cereal. That's as close as I can come to describing. I've never eaten a jabo as delicious.

I can confirm what Ray says, it is indeed the best jaboticaba I've had yet, among sabara, red and grimal. The froot loops description works, I can't come up with a better one.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia... yum
« on: April 28, 2017, 08:21:45 AM »
Nice size tree and fruit!  How many fruit were on that tree?  Was the fruit firm or snotty? I understand Rollinia are shy bloomers and low in fruit production. I am only asking because I'd like to hear other peoples experiences. I have a small tree and know that attempting to get it to bloom well, let alone fruit will be difficult in my climate. I think I see several flowers on my tree growing in now with the new growth, but only time will tell.
That has not been my experience, though rollinia does do better in a humid climate like we have here. Mine is flowering heavily now, and generally sets fruit well on its own.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropic Beauty Peaches almost ready?
« on: April 26, 2017, 10:49:05 PM »
Look at the top where the stem connects. When the green color there disappears and turns to yellow or orange you're good to pick, even if it isn't soft yet.

Not sure on the wax jambu, but with annonas the idea is you generally prune back last season's growth by roughly a third, and strip off old leaves at about the time when temps are favorable for new growth. They will push new growth and drop the old leaves on their own, but pruning and stripping leaves can get that new growth happening sooner.

I know a peach grower that chemically defoliates by basically chemically burning the leaves with...I think it was ZnS04, but it could have been some other fertilizer spray. I imagine the same approach could be done with annonas, though I haven't seen any documentation of growers doing so.

There isn't much out there that will produce a shade tree as fast as a Muntingia calabura.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 20, 2017, 12:27:45 AM »
Does these look like successful hand pollination ?

Too early to definitively say, but the stems still look thick and green, and there's good coloration on the part (carpels I think is the term) that would become the fruit. The early signs of fruit set for me are enlargement of the carpels and the stem remaining firmly attached 24+ hours after pollen drop.  If me and a buddy were betting $5, I'd go with them being set, but at $10 I might not take that bet.

Here's a Dream atemoya that I'd bet $20 is fruit set.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar apple hand pollenate issue
« on: April 19, 2017, 11:32:10 AM »
So once you pollenate the female flower . Does the female flower still turn into a male flower  when fully open and can I still collect pollen from iit?


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