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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit marcotting air layering
« on: March 25, 2017, 10:04:06 AM »
Jackfruit grafting isn't particularly difficult. Epicotyl grafts of green wood on to very young seedlings works well, as does approach grafting in my experience. I've been told that cleft grafts work pretty well during the cooler months, but I haven't tried it myself.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya Pollinator
« on: March 24, 2017, 10:50:08 PM »
Yeah I agree with Dom the Nitidulid beetles is a natural pollinator of most Annona's.  I've seen them on Sugar apple, custard apple, atemoyas, etc.  In fact you can actually get some attractants for Nitidulid beetles to help get them to naturally pollinate.   Hand pollination will always get the best results but natural help is welcome.

Most of the research articles I've read showed that attractants had either no or actually a negative impact on fruit set. The idea was that the beetles preferred the attractant to the annona flowers, so they ate the pineapple or whatever instead of playing in the flowers.

Given that sugar apple pollen has been shown to set fruit on atemoya at a higher % than any other, I hypothesize that having a sugar apple branch grafted on to every atemoya would result in a higher % fruit set.

Either way, having sugar apple pollen available for hand pollination is preferred for larger and more frequent fruit set.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Inducing flowering and fruiting
« on: March 24, 2017, 03:36:37 PM »
Annonas - leaf stripping and pruning can induce flowering.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya Pollinator
« on: March 24, 2017, 10:37:41 AM »
Yes, that sounds like nitidulid beetles that pollinate some annonas. I'd still absolutely hand pollinate though.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Chelated Iron EDDHA
« on: March 21, 2017, 12:17:56 AM »
Would anyone be interested in some EDDHA chelated iron? I can get a decent price on some locally, but only in a 50lb bag, which is way more than I need. I figure it would be worth it to me to mess around with packing and shipping 1lb bags for about 18/lb. Anyone want some?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: anona scions
« on: March 20, 2017, 03:00:09 PM »
Of my few very small cherimoya the Cumbe definitely has the best looking leaves at this point. Spain and McPherson are looking decent, but not nearly as green and full.

Same here.
Agree :-).

This is great.  I'm starting to feel sorry for the young chap :)

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: anona scions
« on: March 14, 2017, 08:56:45 AM »
Annona Rosada on my Genova Red ilama pushing new buds. One I put on cherimoya rootstock also pushing. Thanks Frank!

Is it always best to graft atemoya onto cherimoya rootstock, or do you think annona squamosa would work just as well as rootstock?

Sugar apple works fine for most, it just tends to be dwarfing and not as long lived. Some varieties (Lisa specifically) don't fruit well on squamosa rootstock, but many do.

Rent an excavator and dig a deep ass pond in the middle, then use what you dig out to build some mounds. That or pay a few hundred bucks per dump truck load of fill dirt.

Seriously, fill ain't that expensive, neither is equipment rental in the broad scheme of things.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: anona scions
« on: March 10, 2017, 11:49:09 PM »
Which cherimoyas are the ones which might work in Florida? I think you talked about last year, maybe they were from Hawaii.
Last year the ones he suggested might work in FL were Libby, McPherson, Spain and Cumbe. I've got all 4 growing, still very small. All basically went dormant both during the winter and the heat of summer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thai Lessard or Kampong Mauve
« on: March 09, 2017, 11:40:13 AM »
Years ago I ordered seeds for Kampong Mauve online from some Thai website,  I have one tree in a container,   on the balcony at work,   and that little devil put out all kinds of fruit.  I have heard that Sugar apples were shy bearers, or that you needed to mess with pollinating etc.  they are not big fruit,  biggest one I got was about the size of a Valencia orange.   tree has about 2-3 fruit on it now with more flowers.  I hardly take care of it,  just water, some fertilizer once a year.   seems to put out fruit, 3 or more times a year. very productive.  I can only imagine what it would do in the ground with better care and more sunlight.  only gets about 4 hours direct sunlight in the afternoon.

My biggest problem is catching the fruit before they drop,  they go from not ripe, to ripe,  in one day,  so as soon as they turn purple,  I get a plastic bag or net, and tie it to the stem,  if I don't it will be splattered on the ground.

Once you see the segments separating so you can see a little lighter color in the valley between the two segments, you can clip the fruit from the tree and it will ripen on the counter in a few days. Otherwise you're right, it is tough to time them without the bugs getting them or them going splat.

Also sugar apples tend to be awesome at bearing without hand pollination, though the best I can remember Kampong Muave has a reputation as being on the shy bearing side. If you do hand pollinate yours TropicDude, you'll likely get larger fruit.

I'd second the recommendation to look at Big Red if you want a red sugar apple. It isn't one I've gotten to try myself yet, hopefully my small tree gets froggy this year, but its reputation on the forum seems pretty solid.


I'm thinking I might graft all the Arka Sahan scions I get from you on my Dream so hopefully I can let them hold fruit next year. I'm really looking forward to putting this one to bed one way or another.

would you ship any of these 1 gal grafted trees?

I'm looking into shipping, still not sure on that one. Busy AF with work stuff now, so haven't had time to play with figuring out how to safely ship these things.

@Vermented: as of now just Redlands and Vernon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya or A. reticulata ??
« on: March 08, 2017, 05:37:33 PM »
They're both reticulata.
1) Check the leaves, those long pointy shiny leaves are a dead reticulata indicator, whereas A. cherimola has large round fuzzy leaves.
2) When you click on the pic, they're both labeled as "Annona reticulata - Guerrero Orange" and "Annona reticulata - Guerrero Yellow"  ;)

I put those names on the pics till I'd be sure , just to find them back faster .  Now the trick will be getting a bunch of seeds of each , I really wanna grow these .
Oh OK, that makes sense. I'd figured maybe your friend shared the pics through that image sharing service, and maybe you'd missed the caption. Best of luck getting seeds, those look really pretty.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya or A. reticulata ??
« on: March 08, 2017, 02:40:01 PM »
They're both reticulata.
1) Check the leaves, those long pointy shiny leaves are a dead reticulata indicator, whereas A. cherimola has large round fuzzy leaves.
2) When you click on the pic, they're both labeled as "Annona reticulata - Guerrero Orange" and "Annona reticulata - Guerrero Yellow"  ;)

Another thing that came to mind earlier today that would in my mind solve the cherimoya/atemoya question is this: if pollinated by its own pollen (and bagged to exclude any foreign pollen) and the seeds planted out, leaf shape alone in the progeny would tell us if there's any squamosa genetics or not. I'll get a separate brush and pollen container for doing Dream pollination this year, so we should have results this time next year.

If anyone has Dream seedlings, that'd be great to see pics, but if we aren't 100% sure of the pollen parent we couldn't call that conclusive evidence.


Wow! Look at all those! Very nice indeed! Fantastic work! Do you water them everyday since they are in full sun? How quickly do they grow at this stage? Do you have time release fertilizer added?

Thanks! They get watered about every other day, sometimes daily. I've got them in a pretty well draining mix top dressed with time release fertilizer. At this point they seem to grow painfully slow until they flush out, then quicker from there.


Good to see you last night at Har's speech-topic on Soursop. How are your Dream (and a couple mine) cherimoyas doing?


I don't have any Dream cherimoya. Since you called them by my non-preferred name for them, I'm going to pout and ignore you until you say the name the way I like.  ;D

They're working on leafing out now. I might try re-grafting some of the failed ones, but I'm giving them a little more time to push out before declaring them dead. There are some Randhir and Calostro in the back there too, and a few white sapote cocktail trees.

Dragonfruit, the trellis is already in place.

That could work, but I would feel terrible for the USPS driver

Lol, just prune the front of it.

Dragonfruit, the trellis is already in place.


Anyone want to discribe why this tree is a better one that some of the othrrs?

Best tasting Florida grown annona I have eaten although I haven't had all of them. It also sets without hand pollination and has great cold hardiness.

That's pretty much where I land on this one, though I'm skeptical of the claim that it has survived 19F. Wayne is awfully close to both the gulf and a river, AND has a bunch of ponds in his neighborhood. I'd love to get a date out of him for when that happened so I can pull some weather station data. Considering the record coldest temp in Bradenton, FL is 23F back in 1981,and the coldest in the last 20 years was 26F in 1997, well... Maybe I misunderstood, and he didn't mean his specific tree, but a friend's tree elsewhere had survived 19F.

I'd like to get one of these Dreams
Anyone have any contact info where I can buy one
I should have some available in 1gal on cherimoya rootstock in about a month. They're pushing new growth now, gotta give them some time to heal.

I got one of the amber seedlings last year in a 3gal, so it is a little ways behind most. It has grown quite a bit from the leggy stick I got, and pushed out some male flowers for the first time this month.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sale: anona scions
« on: March 02, 2017, 08:37:47 PM »
Thanks Frank, I'll stop by there, soon!

Great let me know so I can check it out. I will be featuring Randhir monsters 5-6lb California atemoya in a few weeks
P.S. Finally ID randhir.  An improve Jumbo seedling of gefner......better taste, size, fewer seeds etc

Just now seeing the update on the Randhir ID. That's awesome to know, thanks man! I've got one in ground, gonna keep it fed good so maybe in 2yr I can get some fruit.

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