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 :) the other seedling looks good too, it has a little flush started that is deep purple also.  The florida trees had more of a brown flush.  Ive got about 15 altfolo seeds started, a couple kents and keitts.  Going to setup a grow lamp in my garage (which stays a bit cooler than outside) this week and put half indoors and give them RO water and liquid fertilizer and see how they like that.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hornworm galore
« on: August 22, 2017, 10:37:34 PM »
Thanks, we are pretty much tomato'd out.  Will probably do only 2 boxes of tomato next year.  This was more of a test out different varieties trial.  Green zebra, marvel stripe, and rupinzel were a bust. Hillbilly, brandywine and always sungolds rock. Even the dog eats them.

Picked up a mexican keitt at sprouts in poway today.  Havent tried it yet.  Will let you know if I see CA grown but looks like all we get in Poway is made in Mex.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hornworm galore
« on: August 22, 2017, 10:01:05 PM »
I have 8 plants in 4 (4ft x 8ft x 1ft) raised beds.  Each non cherry plant gets an 8ft texas tomato cage.  They definitely don't mind the heat.  Its super hot here.  We started out plants back in April and hae been picking them for 2 or 3 months now.  They will still put out until October or November.

My kid and dog in front of 1 box.

Hillbilly heirloom
Striped german heirloom
Mortgage lifter heirloom
Brandywine heirloom
Green zebra heirloom
Marvel stripe heirloom

Todays harvest

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hornworm galore
« on: August 22, 2017, 08:32:46 PM »
I would alternate Spinosad with BT. I personally like Spinosad much better than BT. I use spinosad 2-3 times followed by one treatment with BT. My garden goes in at the end of Sept or first week in Oct. Having tomatoes going now is not a good idea and really a waste of time due to excessive humidity and temp. Also, insect activity is at its peak now, not worth the bother for poor yields or nothing at all. One of the only vegetables that does well now is eggplant. I would like to see pics of people harvesting decent veggies now, I will bow to your greatness!

Really?  Is that just in FL?  Its prime tomato season right now here.  My vines are 8ft tall and Im getting bucket loads every other day.

I called la Verne and asked them directly. They said they use the same rootstock for all their mangoesband just graft on other varieties (like keitt). For Manila, they just let thebrootstock grow.

I did try and graft on earlier this season. Didn't takenbutbthat was probably me.

I recently found a 15 gallon la Verne Manila monster at h&h nursery in Lakewood. Couldn't believe the size of this juggernaut. Will post a picture if I can figure that out later.

I wish I could find some of those in San Diego County.  Would speed things up considerably if they were a decent shape and ready to graft onto.

Heres the multigraft tree Simon, and my 20222 winters and sweet tart.

I got a couple mexican kents and they were garbage compared to the altufalos.  Will toss the seeds in a pot and try them for rootstock.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grow light and scions grafting?
« on: August 21, 2017, 10:39:23 AM »
Im going to put some mango seedlings under a COB grow lamp and leave some outdoors and see what happens.  Maybe put the grow lamp on for 18hrs a day.  Not sure if mango trees are photo period sensitive?  Anyone know?  Since they are tropical plants that live near the equator they would normally have consistently shorter days throughout the year.  12 hrs on would probably be most natural but 18 hrs will give yhem 50% more light exposure at full intensity.

Mikey how many hours do you have your lamp on per day?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hornworm galore
« on: August 20, 2017, 08:32:59 PM »
BT is organic for what its worth.  One dose early in the season seems to keep they away here. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grow light and scions grafting?
« on: August 20, 2017, 08:39:39 AM »
I havent done it but can't see why it wouldnt work.  The nice thing about grow lamps and growing things indoors is you can control temperatures and light intensity.  Should work out better than hot august sun IMO.

My fuji apple is loaded and just now getting ripe apples.  The unknown apple tree has already put out a big crop and now starting a 2nd crop. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ant Control for edible Plants
« on: August 17, 2017, 11:05:41 AM »
I think maybe the argentine and fire ant are the same thing.  But not really sure.  The ants here will swarm you and start biting your feet if you wear sandals in the garden or get them on your hands.  Very aggressive and very painful.  The bites burn and then itch and leave little blisters.  Diamacious earth sprinkled around the hole put a good dent in them.  But getting rid of them is pretty much impossible.  They form super colonies and are able to go to a new nest if theirs is destroyed.

Looks ok to me.  Small still tastes good.  Had a coyote actually climbing 6ft up in my peach tree and eating them all this year.  Took me 2 weeks of trying to shoot at it in the middle of the night before I set a snare and caught it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya flush small yellowish leaves
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:38:52 PM »
Hard to say whats wrong shinzo but too much sun seems unlikely.  All my cherimoya baby trees are in full south facing hillside inland sun.  Same temperatures and humidity as you.  They don't mind at all.  The soil drains really well here and I only water once or twice a week.  My guess is the root zone is not getting enough oxygen, too much water, maybe a bit too much of a good thing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ant Control for edible Plants
« on: August 16, 2017, 07:32:37 PM »
You can make your own liquid poison out of boric acid and sugar water or boric acid and peanut butter.  Just make sure you get the mixture correct.  Look up a recipe. 

Diamcious earth works well also and is garden safe. 

Yes I have argintine biting red ants here too.  They suck.

I am not an expert but if its all clay and watered daily, some perlite and compost and a mound sounds like a good idea.

Probably want to give it a year at least before grafting mature wood on it or it will be fruiting this winter before its ready to hold mangos.  Since its already August, its probably not going to grow much this year also.  Maybe put some osmocote or some kind of slow release fertilizer in there too since you won't be around to feed it.

Yeah I have a big peach tree and some apple trees and do the same.  Have to remove about 75% of the fruit on those.  I am still learning with avocados.  It seems like only the sir prize and maybe reed need to be thinned here so far.  The Sir Prize probably needs that much more removed.   Definitely would have been better to do it months ago. 

It killed me to do it but had to remove 1/3 or so off my sir prize fruit today.  It was falling over even with 3 stakes on it.  I tied up the branches with fruit on them to lessen the load on the rest of the tree.  Its the only tree that did hardly any self thinning.   :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Start melon seeds in autumn
« on: August 14, 2017, 11:04:04 AM »
Wouldnt it be easier to just start them in spring?  Or have your family start them then if you are not there.

Whats the reason turpentine doesn't do well in CA?  I have seen everyone saying this but not much explaination why. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 13, 2017, 10:50:54 AM »
I believe coco liner can have high (relatively) levels of salt in it, based on where it comes from. I don't know that for certain, it was just something I was told once. I have no idea if there are varying degrees of coco, as Ive always used burlap. As for the aerial roots themselves, they are both a natural part of the plants design and a benefit for growers. They stabilize plants on structures and allow for additional water and nutrients to enter the plants system. However, you have to be very careful not to overdo it with fertilizers on the aerial roots, as you could end up burning them if the mix is too strong. I always spray my posts when I water, to moisten the burlap and air roots, and they continue to grow and develop. Keep in mind, that these are the same roots as are under the ground. When a cutting starts showing new root growth, its actually the air roots youre seeing. They just develop a type of thick skin if not kept moist, as they would be most of the time underground.
Ive seen entire plants completely removed from the soil by damage or rot, living just fine off the remaining air root systems that managed to get back into the earth. Do not underestimate the value of the air rooting systems.

FYI: Coco coir use to contain a lot of salt. The reason was during the processing it was rinsed with saltwater.
Guess what? As coco coir became popular as a growing medium, the better companies, rinse and wash the coir to flush out salts. The bricks of coir sold now by the better companies do not have the issues with high salt.

Seems like any salts would get washed out with a quick soaking of the hose anyway.  Just like fertilizer.  Its not going stick around long.  I figure once the roots attach to it and the plants get larger I can use a sprayer with some dynagrow disolved in water or seaweed/fish emulsion type feetilizer to wet the coco.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Miracle fruit seeds CHEAP
« on: August 12, 2017, 02:45:10 PM »
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Hi, can I purchase some miracle fruit seeds? How much are they? Thanks

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: August 12, 2017, 01:45:05 PM »

I'm getting started with DF. It looks like a good idea if DF do feed using the aerial roots. Is there real evidence for that?

I found aerial roots, on the shady side of the post, on my Halley's Comet going all the way down into the soil.

IMO Somebody needs to plant two identical Dragon Fruit plants, side-by-side, on identical post trellis, one with burlap, one without any covering to see if this is really that beneficial.

Seems like it can't hurt to feed theough those roots.  I have some posts setup with coco liner after seeing it on youtube.  Its much thicker than burlap and made for this type of application.  And it doesn't degrade as quickly.  I just wrap and staple with 9/16" T50 staple gun.   

Your tree looks nice, has it not been getting fertilizer at all?  You should use a balanced fertilizer with micro nutrients.  Gro power avo citrus 8-6-8 is what I put on all my trees.  I put a fist full or so a few times a year.  They sell it at walter andersons.

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