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Citrus General Discussion / Re: The Tough Gold Nuggget
« on: June 26, 2017, 11:59:01 PM »
Hedge your bets and plant more gold nuggets?

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If you use a large enough pot and use a well draining mix with lots of perlite or pumice you shouldn't need to worry much about over watering.  I would water by hand heavily then let the dirt get faily dry between waterings.  My dad had a half dozen or so of those kumquats in big pots out in our backyard as a kid.  They fruited easily and didn't get picky about watering.  The pots should probably be 25 gallons or larger if possible.  If you can use an LED grow lamp on the trees in winter it would be better than regular lighting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: WTF... defective osprey?
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:21:54 PM »
Its like my coyotes.  I filmed my orchard at night for several weeks.  Had a whole family of coyotes but only one ate all the fruit.  The rest were not interested.  I even tossed out a few dead rabbits and my vegetarian coyote ignored them and went for the fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 26, 2017, 03:26:48 PM »
Cool, glad you mentioned envelopes.  I had to go to riteaid for batteries anyway and picked up 100.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 26, 2017, 02:00:16 PM »
I spoke with a woman at RinconVitova and placed an order for 25,000 Neoseiulus californicus predator mites.  She said this is now the standard treatment and should get rid of them with 1 to 2 treatments.  They recommend around 250 per tree so that is only 4000 or so mites.  The cost for 5000 was 71$ and around 100$ for 25,000 so I am going with more than I need for a small extra cost.  She said the persea mites will infest grapes and stone fruits so I will be releasing some of them on those too as I will have enough to cover my entire growing area.  She was super friendly too, definitely easy to do business with.  Bugs will be here wednesday and released that night.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit sightings in San Diego
« on: June 26, 2017, 12:41:53 PM »
Simon, can you list out the stores you frequent?  I saw H mart, where is that?  Ive driven by the seafood mart you mentioned.  Are those the only 2 specialty places you frequent in Mira Mesa area?  I want to go check some of them out and Mira Mesa is about as far as I want to drive.  Its a 30 minute drive to get to mira mesa from where I live.  We have a sprouts and also a middle eastern market (forgot the name) on poway road.  They have some interesting stuff at the middle eastern place but I hate going there, the cashiers are pretty rude. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 26, 2017, 11:40:46 AM »
The guys in zone 23 and 24 would be having better conditions for these mites to thrive it seems.  My place is on the edge of where they can survive.  Something I read said 20 miles inland or firther and they just get cooked conpletely.  We are about 16 miles inland but its in a really dry exposed area. 

Again, mites thrive under hot and dry conditions.  Trust me Spaugh, you let this paradigm of "borderline" climes dictate how and when you treat is gonna be the death blow to your trees.  They are being weakened as you watch.   Get the bastards now!  There will be plenty of eggs to go around in those leaves to let drop.  I can vouch for Forbid 4F.  Expensive as hell but it IS the silver bullet.  Translaminar, no way for the pests to build up an immunity, nails every cycle/stage of every mite family known.  Safety issue - I've used it on my citrus and our family is still standing.    :D  (It will continue to be expensive until it goes generic).

Here's all the info you need.  https://entomology.ca.uky.edu/ef438

And.....don't you guys have farm agents and local entomologists you can call on for pest control?

Im sure there are professionals that I could call.  But this is just a home garden with 24 avocado trees.  You have motivated me enough to go ahead and do something.  The forbid stuff is really spendy at 28$ an ounce.  How many trees can I treat with 1oz of forbid 4f? 

I have sent an email to the benefical mite people also and am waiting to hear back on cost for a few viles of good bugs.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 26, 2017, 11:20:08 AM »
I would strongly reccomend using predatory mites.  I've used them on lots of outbreaks I've had on cannabis and have had amazing results. After about 1 or 2 weeks of the initial application I didn't have a trace of Spider Mites. Just did some research and there are quite a few California native species that would work well.  If you spray you will just need to continue spraying in the future, better to create an ecosystem that can support beneficial mites.

Do you order the benefical bugs online?

Yep, ordered them from RinconVitova although I know there's lots of retailers in California right now catering to the cannabis market.  It's a little expensive but if you have the money and the patience it's well worth it.  You can also talk to their representatives on the phone and they are really helpful.  Only thing is, if you decide to go this route you can't spray anything before or after. The mites need the negative population in order to thrive and survive.

I am leaning towards this as they say their predator mites will survive winters here.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 25, 2017, 07:20:50 PM »
Getting input from Julie and relaying it would be great. 

I take it your tree is flushing heavily?  It seems like they only feed on soft new flush.  So people who fertilize less or water less may have less of an issue.  Kind of like leaf miners on citrus. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 25, 2017, 06:55:21 PM »
The guys in zone 23 and 24 would be having better conditions for these mites to thrive it seems.  My place is on the edge of where they can survive.  Something I read said 20 miles inland or firther and they just get cooked conpletely.  We are about 16 miles inland but its in a really dry exposed area. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 25, 2017, 06:43:17 PM »
It looks like the bugs are spreading to the other trees.  But so far only the one tree is loosing a lot of leaves.  Ive got so many trees at this point I think Im just going to let nature run its course and see how it goes.  From most of the research Ive done they aren't going to make it for very long based on how far inland I am and our sunset zone being heavily influenced by the desert. 

The sunset zone maps for san diego county are pretty interesting.  So many different sub climates that depend on elevation, distance from the ocean, wind patterns, valleys, etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 24, 2017, 05:12:42 PM »
I would strongly reccomend using predatory mites.  I've used them on lots of outbreaks I've had on cannabis and have had amazing results. After about 1 or 2 weeks of the initial application I didn't have a trace of Spider Mites. Just did some research and there are quite a few California native species that would work well.  If you spray you will just need to continue spraying in the future, better to create an ecosystem that can support beneficial mites.

Do you order the benefical bugs online?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 24, 2017, 05:10:59 PM »
According to this UC document they say

http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/r8400211.html

" winter temperatures slow growth of persea mite numbers. Mite densities are lowest around March and gradually increase through spring feeding on new leaf flush. Numbers generally peak in July and August. Persea mite populations are suppressed, and their numbers may decline rapidly, when the daily high temperature is 100F or more on several consecutive days and humidity is low."


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to pollinate Seedless Guava?
« on: June 24, 2017, 10:48:31 AM »
Are there no bees on the flowers?  How long ago did you try the hand polination?  Guava fruits take several weeks to start showing signs of growth after blooming.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 24, 2017, 10:38:23 AM »
One of my reed trees has them.  What do you use to treat them?  Spinosid?

Forbid 4F.  No, it's not labeled for avocados and "no" it is not a poison, more like a soap the way it works.  Works on ALL stages and families.  Is translaminar too so you only have to worry about treating one side of the leaf.

I will try and locate some of that Mark.  Thanks.  After doing some reading it sounds like 100F+ weather with low humidity kills them off.  So maybe the heateave we had will have slowed them down.  My guess is my one tree came from the nursery infested as none of the other trees are showing any signs.  Thats a bit frustrating.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 24, 2017, 10:34:00 AM »
Oh ok sorry, just heard it from somewhere.

No need to appologize.  I just was asking if they really work because finding a cure on the world wide web seems pretty difficult.  If neem or spinosad work I am happy to use them since I already own those. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persea mites
« on: June 24, 2017, 12:32:55 AM »
I really don't want it to spread to all my trees.  The leaves are dropping and the bark is going to get toasted.  The tree is young and not holding fruit.  Can I use something fed through the roots to treat the infested tree?   

Does neem oil and spinosad really work?  From doing google searches there doesn't seem to be much of a recommended treatment. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Persea mites
« on: June 23, 2017, 08:40:10 PM »
One of my reed trees has them.  What do you use to treat them?  Spinosid?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wildlife in your fruit trees ?
« on: June 21, 2017, 09:37:52 PM »
Put some mango on some rat traps and get rid of them.  I have mice eating my fruit.  I put out ten mouse traps every night for a few days and it makes a big dent in them.  I leave the dead mice out on a big boulder and the birds fly off with them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: heat woes
« on: June 21, 2017, 09:54:16 AM »
104 here yesterday.  All my trees are fully exposed and in the ground.  They all seem to be loving the heat.  I don't really have much to add to your original post other than in my experience potted plants are much more difficult to keep happy.  PH gets off too easily, fertilizer imbalance, moisture swings, black pots get hot on roots, salt accumulation.  I have much better luck once plants go in the earth.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Second Citrus bloom?
« on: June 21, 2017, 12:23:05 AM »
Very nice let me know please how they are.  I guess we are roughly 6 months out of synch.  I'm in a pretty warm and fully exposed area here so I think the 2nd fruits should still be OK.  The trees are doing a really nice flush and bloom again.  I probably need to spray for leaf miners again in a few weeks.  Is there a best time to apply it relative to blooming?

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Haircut time?
« on: June 20, 2017, 06:35:27 PM »
Dont worry its just a few pieces in a small box.  Most of it ended up on the feet of the trees as mulch.  I really trimmed the new bare root trees planted this winter back to 5 main branches the make a V shape out.  Hopefully they shape up nicely.  Time will tell.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Haircut time?
« on: June 20, 2017, 02:15:30 PM »
Thanks Samu, I did a pretty heavy pruning on my younger trees today.  I have a box of scions with your name on them going in the mail today. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Second Citrus bloom?
« on: June 19, 2017, 10:44:38 PM »
Anyone else getting second blooms on their orange and mandarin trees?  I've got a couple mandarin trees and a naval orange which all set nice fruits many months ago.  Now they are blooming again.  Not sure I have had this ever happen before.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Haircut time?
« on: June 19, 2017, 08:35:34 PM »
Should I give my stonefruit trees a haircut now?  All of the fruits are harvested.  Or is it better to wait till fall?  If I trim now maybe they will do a second flush?

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