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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jatropa
« on: Today at 05:38:07 PM »
"Toxicity

The poisoning is irritant, with acute abdominal pain and nausea about 1/2 hour following ingestion. Diarrhea and nausea continue but are not usually serious. Depression and collapse may occur, especially in children. Two seeds are strong purgative. Four to five seed are said to have caused death, but the roasted seed is said to be nearly innocuous. Bark, fruit, leaf, root, and wood are all reported to contain HCN (Watt and Breyer-Brandwijk, 1962). Seeds contain the dangerous toxalbumin curcin, rendering them potentially fatally toxic."

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jatropa
« on: August 22, 2017, 07:11:52 AM »
I dont know, but it is true that non toxic exists:

" Francis, G., Oliver, J., Sujatha, M. 2013. Non-toxic jatropha plants as a potential multipurpose multi-use oilseed crop. Industrial Crops and Products 42: 397-401.
Jump up ^ Martínez-Herrera, J., Martínez Ayala, A., Makkar, H.P.S., Francis, G., Becker, K. 2010. Agroclimatic conditions, chemical and nutritional characterization of different provenances of Jatropha curcas L. from Mexico. Journal of Food Quality 35:152-158."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatropha_curcas#cite_note-14

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: psidium to ID
« on: August 20, 2017, 11:42:50 PM »
so... no id... this is ever more fun to me! :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Psidium sartorianum
« on: August 17, 2017, 02:56:54 PM »
I am glad it is a popular fruit there! we are so boring!

I made a tea out of its leaves, I am drinking it now and it is maybe the best myrtaceae tea I know, the flavour is something like guava+lemon+mint or so.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Psidium sartorianum
« on: August 17, 2017, 10:03:31 AM »
Hi, this is funny, finally I got psidium sartorianum from a collector that got his seeds from Luc... so I have just one nice plant.

The smell of the leaves is so good! to me is the best of the psidiums I know: best than longipetiolatum and eugeniaefolia. I will try to do some tea




I read on the net that there is a lot of variation on this species: green, yellow and even redish fruits, so maybe there are better varieties than others.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Psidium sartorianum - Arrayan
« on: August 15, 2017, 08:19:32 AM »
Thanks for sharing Luc!

What requirements does this sp have? Is it similar to guayabo? Growth habbit? How long does a seedling take to fruit?

Please put me in the list for seeds ;)



Hi, I got this species

http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/psidiumsartorianum.htm

it seems very interesting, as Luc say... and Helton also reports it is sweeter than uvaia and arazá, tasting like a mix of both!

Also, it is rare to me that seeds are recalcitrant, loosing viability in just 30 days...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID: jaboticaba oblongata or aureana?
« on: August 14, 2017, 03:14:03 PM »
Today, the collector that gave me his plant, sent me a photo of his identified m. aureana:



what do u think, is it very different to yours too?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The "Psidium controversy"
« on: August 14, 2017, 10:49:34 AM »
Azorean, if you break a leaf of the supposed psidium longipetiolatum and smell it, how does it tastes? mines taste very good, acid (some citric note)... while the p. guineense doesnt smell so nice...

to me, the best smelling psidium leaves are p. eugeniaefolia and p. longipetiolatum

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID: jaboticaba oblongata or aureana?
« on: August 14, 2017, 10:43:04 AM »
It's leaves are completely different from my Aureana; however as there are a few different forms of Aureana, it might be one of the rare forms, but not the one I have.

Very thanks, yes... I am watching aureana leaves on the net and the ribs are much more marked in the m. aureana... so maybe I have m. oblongata, but there are NO good photos of m. oblongata on the net... do you have one?

in this photo of nelesedulis, the ribs of his m. oblongata are not such marked as on my plant...

https://postimg.org/image/rlus06fgn/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: August 14, 2017, 10:41:03 AM »
Plinia Oblongata, red pulp jabuticaba, very tasty, flavor similar to grumixama.







Hi, any of you think that this plant of mine could be m. oblongata?

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25078.msg294115#msg294115

thanks in advance

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / psidium to ID
« on: August 13, 2017, 04:20:48 PM »
Hi, I got this psidium from a collector and he think it is very rare and unknow... but, would you know what is it?









When I broke a leaf, I smelled it and chewed it, it had a pleasant aroma and taste, unlike all the other 10 psidium I have ... more like p. Eugeniaefolia than the rest, and less bitter than the rest ... The aroma was interesting, similar to that of psidium longipetiulatum, but less strong, and stronger than psidium cattleianum. Definitely not any of the ones I had:
It is not:
Friedrichsthalianum
Longipetiolatum
Eugeniaefolia
Sartoriarum
Cattleianum
Guineense
Guyanese
Guajava
Australe

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID: jaboticaba oblongata or aureana?
« on: August 13, 2017, 03:17:16 PM »
Hi, I got this jaboticaba from a collector that thinks that it could be aureana or oblongata, what do u think?












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Hi, this is good news: I just ate one fruit that fall from the tree 1 week or more days ago, maybe 10 days ago, I cant remember. It was getting too hard/yellowish and I thought it was unedible, but I peeled it with a knife and inside it was dark yellow, with a "firm" soft, not juicy pulp and it was nice (very similar to jaboticabas in this overripe stage!).  I wrote "amazing" because most of the myrtaceae I know cant last more than 2 or 3 days being edible.

Normally, when you eat them just ripe, out of the tree or fallen, they have a green gelatinous and juicy pulp, acid and sweet, but this was not gelatinous and no green.

To me this is very interesting because maybe another campomanesia species could be of comercial use if they can last more than 1 week being edible!

We are in the middle of the winter, it produced just a few now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Myrtaceae by Cuttings
« on: June 29, 2017, 08:39:20 AM »
Wow Nélio, that is amazing! I tried to root jaboticabas but never success on it, I will try your method but we are in winter now so I will wait till spring, have a lot of species to try ;)

What is that jaboticaba species?

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Very nice, congrats, I had seeds from Oscar from 2013 too, but I didnt grow them well till thew last year, so mines are 1 feet tall and waiting for the first flowers now...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba "Sabará-de-Cabinho"
« on: May 25, 2017, 11:32:00 AM »
Beautiful fruits and photos, how do they taste? identical to sabará?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: new jaboticaba to ID
« on: May 21, 2017, 10:31:08 PM »
I concluded that, maybe, it is a red jabo

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Eugenia calycina 'Nelita'
« on: May 19, 2017, 06:09:59 PM »
Eugenia calycina 'Nelita'... the movie:

https://youtu.be/odkvGO_IVto

I'd love to see more of your greenhouse. Maybe a tour video? You've got such an impressive Eugenia collection after all.

+1, and it would be nice to stop the camera at some leaves (for comparing species or cultivars) or fruits, thanks, amazing video and photos.

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Hi, amazing, congrats... rooting jaboticabas is possible, there are a lot of documents on the net, but it is very difficult and it varies with species, dont know what is your species (not m  cauliflora, maybe m. jaboticaba -sabara...).

The best time to do it is spring and the best is to use new growth, as you did! Jaboticaba is very hardy and a cutting could survive in water for many weeks, but, normally, they dont produce roots! and there are documents on the net that show you that rooting hormone would not help. But maybe you species, temperature and rooting hormone were the best possible to root it.

I could never did it (tried with 10 cm new growth cuttings from myrciaria cauliflora - paulista), will try the next spring.

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Would you recommend partial shade while they are young... then full sun after they mature?

kj

full shade now till they recover, and not too hot!

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They were started in filtered greenhouse light...  but they now reside in full Alabama sun.

Also I use municipal water source.

kj

I think both things could kill them easily... you should give them more shade and rain water if possible!

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Kevin, are you given them too much sun? I think they would prefer acid soils (maybe pitangatuba could need something more alcaline) and shade, till they are 30 or 40cm tall... here at my house they all grow fine if I put them in the shade.

Many of my grumichamas looked like yours when in bad soils and/or too much sun/hot.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: May 13, 2017, 08:33:21 AM »
Sorry, I need some help to id this:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=23926.0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: new jaboticaba to ID
« on: May 13, 2017, 05:41:00 AM »





maybe jabomano or other maniacs could help?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / new jaboticaba to ID
« on: May 12, 2017, 09:52:36 PM »
Being that Adam is not checking the forum, it would be difficult to ID this jaboticaba, but I will post it anyway... there are a lot of forum members that grow jaboticabas and there are some "maniacs" and jaboticabaholics here so I have some hope...


The leaves remember me the red jaboticaba (myrciaria aureana x myrciaria cauliflora), but this is not possible as the source is from Misiones and almost nobody grows red jaboticaba here at Argentina. So I am thinking it could be myrciaria cauliflora or something similar... but I am not good identifying plants.




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