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Thatís right. I forgot to mention I already have a Kwai muk.  From you actually Oscar.  Itís been in the ground 3 years. Itís healthy and strong.  About 10í tall now.

Do you have mentawak? 

As far as spacing goes Iíve got them at about 30í  right now.  So thatís good.  Are the grafted chempedek trees that wide?  Seems like I remember them not getting so big.   I will take a picture tomorrow morning to show scale.
Don't have any mentawak plants right now. Maybe in a few months. Yes the grafting will probably dwarf the chempadek a bit. Where did you get it?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Pineapple
« on: Today at 03:42:42 AM »
Best in what way? For eating? That looks to me like Ananas bracteatus, not really edible. An ornamental.

I'd give them all 30 foot spacing, except for the pedalai, marang, and mendi. (Mendi is common name for elsasticus.) These 3 get wider and taller. I'd give them 40 foot spacing. Pedalai could even need 50 feet if you don't keep seriously pruning it.
Keep in mind that on rocky ground the big 3 can put up some serious roots above ground. Also they have heavy leaf litter. So hope you are not planning on mowing under them?
Other good artocarpus i would add are mentawak and kwai muk.
Sounds like a fun project. Good luck with all. You will soon have an artocarpus jungle!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Kasturi mango ?
« on: April 20, 2018, 11:10:06 PM »
I have several trees. They have all been fruiting for several years. They are all laden with fruit right now, bus still green. Its a good tasting fruit, very similar to mango, but quite a bit smaller. Best thing about it is it does not get anthracnose, so will fruit dependently, without spraying, in rainy areas.

Things have changed. Now cashew fruits which are not astringent have been developed. The fruits are used to make squashes and in Goa a fine distilled liquor called "Fenny" is a big industry!!
I did have a chance to try the liquor in Goa. But i think that can be made even from astringent fruits.

It's a bit off topic but I wanted to clarify the ongoing thought that California is "humidity free". I find it annoying as hell to constantly read about our "zero" humidity. Extremely low humidity is found in Death Valley...on the occasion we get some Santa Ana winds in LA/OC then our relative humidity drops into the teens or single digits even down to the coast. At my location (about 9-10 bird miles) I have an average of 50% humidity in my yard (over the year/quite a bit more in the summer). Granted my yard is lush but I planned it that way, and isn't far off the data I read about other locations close by. I realize that 50% humidity isn't considered humid but it isn't the Mongolian desert either. I realize our sporadic rainfall might lead to the misconception that we are drier than we are...air wise. The driest place on earth in the Atacama desert in Chile has close to zero rainfall but it is humid FYI. I grew up in Denver and often times the humidity was close to zero...not always of course...but it happens. Just an illustration. Go on about your day/night. Peace. Chris
Great you were able to achieve 50 percent humidity. Probably introducing a pond would raise it even higher. I've lived in southern California, and believe me, compared to anywhere in true tropics it really is LOW humidity. So yeah, it's all relative. But many tropicals really thrive  much better when they have above 80 percent humidity. So it all depends on what exactly you are trying to grow?
As side note: true tropics is usually defined as lowland areas in equator to 23 degrees. So plants originating above 23 degrees are usually considered sub tropical, not tropical. For example, lychee and longans are really a sub tropical plants. That is why it is hard to get them to fruit in the tropics.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peaches growing in Hawaii?
« on: April 19, 2018, 03:28:41 AM »
Oscar are you growing the Red Ceylon peach?
No, but i've seen them growing Kona side.

The second photo shows immature fruits. When they mature, the fruits will be larger as in the first photo!!!
Yes the fruits are immature. But on my trees when the fruit is that size the nut is also a lot smaller than in that photo.
In Brazil there has been a lot of genetic and selection work done on cashews. One development program is towards producing good large nuts. The other program is towards producing good quality fruits, meaning not only large, and sweet, but also totally non astringent. A juice is made in Brazil thet is very high quality, tasting similar to apple juice.
All the fruits in India are usually just discarded, as they are so astringent.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peaches growing in Hawaii?
« on: April 19, 2018, 12:35:39 AM »
I tried several Florida low chill types, including Floridaprince, and none did well at my elevation, 600 ft. I think that above 2000 ft. would be more likely to do well. I think the Red Ceylon peach also does better above 1000 ft. The other big problem growing peaches here, especially at lower elevation is fruit fly. They will really nail all the fruits unless you bag them.
I've pretty much given up trying to grow peaches here. I think plums, like Methley, are more likely to do well. I might try that one again.

About to harvest some coffee, and I'm wondering... is there anything worth doing with the flesh of coffee berries?  I've sampled them before, and they're... underwhelming.  Sweet, but a leafy taste.  Wondering if there's any application in which they're actually good. Or whether I should just wet ferment the cherries to try to impart a sweeter flavour to the "beans".
There is a company here making a commercial beverage from juice of the fruit pulp. But they add other ingredients as well to flavor it up.

I got wired by eating a bunch of fresh berries from Marks tree. The flesh tastes like sugar water.

You got wired from the sugars, not any caffeine in the fruit pulp.

On a tangent, there are many different species of Garcinia in Bolivia, not just what we are on this forum calling achachairu. The word "achachairu" in Bolivia refers to all garcinias there, and they have 8 or more species, and several unnamed species.

I've ordered twice from this seller. I think he is really top notch. He seemed to me to do the impossible: sent very perishable seeds and they arrived in absolutely perfect condition. They were perfectly clean and immaculately packaged. Also he processed and sent the package incredibly fast. We are lucky to have him in our group.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: THONDI FRUITS from Kerala...
« on: April 18, 2018, 06:56:11 AM »
Mine are starting to flower. Will try to post photo later.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruiting Shade Tree for So Cal
« on: April 18, 2018, 06:51:59 AM »
What about white sapote? Large, deciduous. Only messy if you don't harvest the fruits. It is very productive, but can be a really great fruit.
BTW, why do you want the tree to be deciduous? That seems to be counter to it giving shade all year and not being messy.

Plenty of humidity here. But without hand pollination you will only get a few quite small fruits to form. I've heard rumors that putting pieces of pineapple on the tree attracts beetles that help to pollinate, but have not tried it. Maybe i still can. I've only removed 2 of my 4 trees due to lack of production and some laziness to remove remaining 2.

Your second photo still has fruiting part. It's just that the fruit is proportionately much smaller than normal to the nut.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha seeds source in US/Hawaii?
« on: April 18, 2018, 06:33:53 AM »
@HiFarm and fruitlovers....

That's why I like go Bolivia for that festival in Santa Cruz while see the salt flats and maybe altiplano while I'm at it!
Sure, i'd love to go there myself. Too many great places to go to and things to do.

Tropicals like high humidity and liittle variation between daytime and night time temperatures. Most of southern California has extremely low humidity, almost no rain for most of the year. Areas that have higher humidity, like coastal areas suffer from coastal fog and cool temperatures for a few months. Still remember the so called "June gloom" from having lived there in San Diego coast. So California is far from ideal for most tropicals. Some of the hardier, widely adapted ones can just squeeze by with a little extra care, especially in winters when temperatures can easily stay at 50F for long time, and often dips below 45F.
I seem to recall that people in Vista, San Marcos, and Fallbrook had especially good luck growing tropicals that would not survive elsewhere.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha seeds source in US/Hawaii?
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:47:56 PM »
I don't know, but from what i've heard it seems that achachairu is like Luc's garcinia in that it has variation in shape and size, but taste is pretty much the same, not much variation in taste.
But i egree still that it's good to try to get from different sources and have diversity.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha seeds source in US/Hawaii?
« on: April 17, 2018, 04:18:19 AM »
Seems like all the seeds in Hawaii are from Puerto Rico. The USDA in PR had it in their collection, incorrectly labelled for a long time as Rheedia brasilensis. I am guessing that they must have originally sourced it directly or indierectly from Bolivia.

Iím stoked to see at least one of my four trees pushing new flowers. Canít wait to see if they are male or female...   hopefully I donít get all male trees.   Will also post updated photos once they bloom

Iíve got two trees about 4-5í tall and two that are much smaller.  About 1í tall
Yes male flowers usually come out first. I wouldn't worry, with 4 trees you are almost certain to get female(s) as well. My female trees did not flower till following year after first appearance of male flowers.

Wow Oscar a Marang with no smell... With a binomial name like "Artocarpus odoratissimus" you would need to expect some sort of smell. The ones we get here smell like burnt rubber from 50 meters away. It is a good burnt rubber smell though   ;)

I once had marang, chempadak, durian, noni and santol in my car for a few hours on a seed collecting trip and that smell stayed in the car for months.

Hang in there and I bet once you get a good mendi fully formed you will say it is a great fruit especially if you like marang.
Yeah thanks, i haven't given up on the mendi fruits yet.
We have the pungent marangs here also. They smell to me more a petroleum distillation plant. Really a bizzare smell, and yes you can smell it from far away.
That is quite an assortment of smelly fruits you had in your car! New type of car deodorizer?  :D

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help me ID this fruit
« on: April 15, 2018, 06:57:52 AM »
Yes looks like campomanesia. I would guess sete capotes, Campomanesia guazumifolia.

The Mendi is one of my favorite trees a beautiful specimen tree that can apparently grow up to 1600 meters in it's native range so we should expect some cold tolerance with  it.

Even with fully mature trees they seem to produce about 1/3 fruit with no pulp aborted fruit. It is very hard to judge when they are ripe. I stopped picking them off the tree after wasting too many fruit and just wait for them to drop and check under the tree when they are fruiting.  the "fur" seems to break the fall and they don't get damaged.

The fruit is great in my opinion similar to marang without the smell of marang and with out the slight after taste of marang. It is a mild fruit that any one would appreciate ( i would think).

I got some in the nursery ready in September for any Australian members!
My marang has no smell and no after taste. Marang in my opinion is way superior, and much larger fruit than mendi. So much more to eat. It's possible my mendi did not get fully pollinated. Very few arils, very disappointing.

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