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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: jujube FRUIT u-pick
« on: Today at 02:39:36 PM »
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Hey Mark, Iím just trying to play with the big dogs and continuing to push the boundaries. Iíve already had success using the MicroKote and air pruning type pots but if I can get a denser, more wide spread system of roots in a shorter amount of time, why not go for it.

Iíve already purchased a product which I believe uses IBA but from my Botany class, there are many different PGRs I can use. Different species react differently to PGRs so the concentration and ratio of hormones will be important. I donít want to spend resources figuring out what PGR and what ratio works best for Mango so I picked up something from off the shelves. Iíll take a picture of the product later when I get home. If you have a product you recommend, I would love the info.

Iím able to get a newly planted seedlings to become bushy and about 4 feet tall without the use of hormones and Iím hoping that the hormones will just speed things up even more. I will not be using hormones on producing trees however. My goal is to fill a large pot, say around 45-55 gallons as fast as possible using any technique available.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 22, 2017, 05:35:33 PM »
Hereís a picture of a giant Megalanthus I ate a while back.
I have one small giant yellow Megalanthus but it will probably be years before itís big enough to sell cuttings. If anyone has the giant Megalanthus cuttings, I definitely want to buy!


I believe that tree is 25 years old! Truly inspiring. They do extensive root pruning on their rootstock before and after getting into the ground. Think bonsai. Once it is in the ground the roots are contained in a metal trough. The root zone is primarily made up of secondary feeder roots.

I noticed that.  Am confused about the botany, the relationship behind root pruning and production. Don't they also hit their trees with a PGR aka Bonzi at bloom time?  Speaking of secondary feeder roots, I have a network of fine feed roots on top of the soil and underneath the mulch.  Got that forest thang going on!

Damn those are healthy dense roots! Iím just starting my experiments with rooting hormones for my non fruiting trees. The density of your roots tells me how healthy your tree is. Awesome!


Welcome to the club! My wife makes fun of me that when Iím driving the car, I stare longer and harder at a house full of fruit trees than I do at hot girls! Itís sad but itís true.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dole Pineapple Almost Ripe.
« on: October 21, 2017, 12:50:27 AM »
Hey maybe it will turn out very sweet for you. Iíve heard others report that the store bought tops fruited with good quality fruit. Please let us know how it tastes.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rican Turpentine Mango
« on: October 19, 2017, 11:36:58 PM »
I believe many of the ďTurpentine ď type mangos have similar characteristics such as small, highly productive, good growing, relatively disease resistant, Sweet, fibrous, and strong Turpentine smell in the sap. I am by no means an expert in Turpentine mangos. I have no ideas about their origins but their use as rootstocks is legendary.

The video from Truly Tropical shows one type of Turpentine Mango that is more rounded.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this cherimoya doing okay?
« on: October 19, 2017, 02:53:50 PM »
Your tree looks too tall. Next Spring, you should bring it down much lower but above the graft. You will have difficulty pollinating the flowers and bagging/harvesting fruit if the canopy is too high up.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rican Turpentine Mango
« on: October 18, 2017, 11:31:54 PM »
Description sounds like Turpentine.  Do you consider this unique?

Leo and several others have explained to me that there are many different types of what we call ďTurpentineĒ mango. He got this one from Puerto Rico a long time ago and several of his trees that are doing well are on this rootstock. I donít think there is anything special about this fruit but there could be something very special about this rootstock for those of us growing mangos in SoCal.

Most if not all the commercially produced mango trees in Florida are on ďTurpentineĒ rootstock but I donít know specifically which variety they are using. I know it was selected for its excellent adaptability and fruiting ability when grown in Florida but itís a horrible rootstock for us here in SoCal.

Hopefully this rootstock will perform well in our growing conditions, I know for sure itís eorked really well for Leo.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rican Turpentine Mango
« on: October 18, 2017, 11:04:46 PM »
The sap from this PR Turpentine Mango has an extremely strong Turpentine smell, which I actually like.

Also picked up a Rose Giant

And here is what a Todos Santos looks like

And here is one of the best tasting local mango varieties created by Leo, his Leo #2. This one has a Brix of 26% and is consistently excellent tasting.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Puerto Rican Turpentine Mango
« on: October 18, 2017, 10:50:28 PM »
I got an email from Leo Manuel today saying that he has a lot of Puerto Rican Turpentine Mango Fruit Fruit that I may be very interested in for my Mango rootstock experiments. Leo mentioned that the fruit was very sweet and tasted really good but it is extremely fibrous. He explained to me on a previous visit that I can let it fully ripen and then squish it into pulp and suck the juice out like a mango juice box.

I keep Leo updated with all my Mango experiments and he believes this rootstock is one of the better rootstocks for growing in SoCal and he personally has several very large trees on this rootstock. One of the varieties he has on this rootstock is called Todos Santos and it is one of the most productive and disease free trees that also has. It is a moderately vigorous tree with a dense canopy and the consistency of its heavy fruiting is one of its more st attractive features.

Leo also mentioned that some others that have sampled this Fruit noticed that the fibers are not as noticeable if the fruit is eaten in a less ripened stage.

Here are some pictures of the Puerto Rican Turpentine Mango Fruit


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jehangir mango
« on: October 17, 2017, 10:07:06 PM »
Iíve tasted it several times at our mango tastings and it was excellent. It was sweet and had a pale white/yellow color with excellent Indian resin flavor component. I grafted it onto Leo Manuelís tree and it is growing well. Many people at the Mango tasting(last year) liked this Mango.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Mango trees planted in California
« on: October 17, 2017, 09:55:43 PM »
Iíve received so many requests for grafted trees that I may graft a few up for sale if I find some extra time.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Mango trees planted in California
« on: October 16, 2017, 10:19:22 PM »
Iíve never bare rooted a Florida Turpentine rootstock mango tree before but someone did suggest it to me a while back. As long as the tree is not planted deep, I did not find anything unusual about the soil the Florida potted trees are shipped to us in. I always make sure to have the root flare above ground or at least keeping the first root right at or above soil level.

Iím also afraid of bare rooting Mango trees although Iíve seen several people on this forum(Pugluvr) and another person bringing a Mango tree as carry on luggage, do it.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best fruit tree fertilizer
« on: October 16, 2017, 10:11:33 PM »
The fertilizer would depend on many factors including your starting soil composition, what stage of growth your trees are in(establishing, veg, fruiting), rainfall, and potted vs in ground. The pH of your soil and water should also be factored in for selecting a fertilizer.

To keep it simple for general plants Nutricote or Osmocote plus type fertilizers work well.


Thatís awesome, I would love to see a picture if you have time to post it here.


Thereís a lot of articles out there that talk about scion rootstock influences but I believe you are more interested in the lateral gene transfer between plant grafts at the Union such as the case with my CSMR?
Here is one article that explains it a bit.

By using multiple rootstocks from a diverse genetic pool such as the use of both Polyembryonic( CRFG says polys are resistant to Anthracnose) and Monoembryonic (CRFG says monos are more resistant to Powdery Mildew) seedlings, I hope that the rootstocks that are more adaptable will survive and the rootstocks may even be able to impart resistance to specific bioburdens.

I have a thread on Mango rootstocks that talks more specifically about other Mangifera species that are known to impart benefits. Dr Richard Campbell, Noris Ledesma and Dr Crane would know much more about this subject than myself.

I want everyone to know that what Iím doing is not Science. Iím simply very curious and performing basic experiments, not even really experiments because I donít have real controls, to see what may work for an average backyard gardener. I do keep up with the latest technologies regarding gardening especially as it relates to growing Mango but what Iím trying to come up with is a technique that can be utilized by average gardeners that donít have access to test fields and DNA sequencing technologies.


Simon - You are undertaking a fascinating project which looks to be doing very well. Congratulations.
A mundane question that may be relevant to others too is whether your trees may become a violation of building ordinances. The 4' side yard is mandated as a fire break and a tree may be considered a fire hazard. It probably won't be a problem unless you have a grumpy neighbor who complains but it's just a heads-up in case you want to check. I had trees on the south side of my house and Santa Monica (an arbor day tree city) demanded that I cut them down after they changed city ordinances to limit "fences" in front of houses to 4'. Apparently an anonymous neighbor complained. I managed to save them by appealing directly to the city council but the whole process was time consuming and expensive.

Hello BajaJohn, thatís a good point. My neighborhood is not governed by HOA and many homes in the area have trees surrounding their homes. The fire codes are their for a reason and my side yard has enough room for me to knock out the windows and their is enough clearance next to the fence to make a get away.

My upcoming plans are to create more of these trees in half barrels so that they are more easily transported. Being able to transport them will allow me to lend it out to the local California Rare Fruit Growers Association to garner more interest in growing rare fruit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Truly tropical top 5
« on: October 16, 2017, 01:10:13 PM »
The flesh around the skin is my favorite part. It tastes like it has the most flavor components, turpenes I suppose. If you get too close to the skin, there can be some sort of natural component in the skin that tickles the back of my throat and makes me want to cough.

The good thing about these flavor grenade type mangos is that a little bit goes a long way and in the case of Sweet Tart, the fruit grows in clusters and are often relatively small. The Sweet Tart variety can even hold a decent amount of fruit in a pot although it will need judicious pruning.

People that have a basement, balcony or small patio can grow this variety and the small mangos will go a long ways in terms of not needing a lot of flesh to be satisfied.


I used one of my California Super Mango Rootstock seedlings planted in a MicroKote treated pot for this Japanese inspired ultra low tree. I have my original experiments still growing but they are developing slower because they only have a single rootstock.

I like the idea of having one of these Japanese inspired trees inside a plastic half barrel because it will be somewhat transportable when small or if heavily pruned back. This tree has nice branching and a thick trunk considering it is only a little over one year old.

Because I intend to keep this tree relatively small, I am not planning on it producing lots of fruit. The focus will be on producing fewer, ultra high quality fruit of top tier varieties. Because this tree is potted and will be wide and relatively short in stature, I need to keep the overall width of the tree to a reasonable size, maybe 3x3 or at most 4x4 so that I can perform annual or biannual root pruning and re potting.

I will also have to graft low so that if/when I need to cut the tree back for rejuvenation or for transport, the cuts will be above the graft line.

I plan on making this a designer tree and will treat it as much as artwork as I will treat it as a fruit producing tree. So far, I plan to graft the following varieties onto it:
1) Lemon Zest
2) Sweet Tart
3) Fruit Punch
4) PiŮa Colada
5) Peach Cobbler
6) Pineapple Pleasure
7) Cotton Candy
8) Phoenix

In the future, I plan on creating more themed trees such as the Citrus themed consisting of PPK, Lemon Zest and Orange Sherbet Seedling.

Anyways, here are my first ties on the first tree. These bends/ties are to keep the branches low but still angled upwards but only slightly. I am also positioning the branches in a manner that will fill in all the empty space.


Here is a CSMR tree planted into the ground at Spaughís place. Itís about 3-4 feet tall and was planted into the ground about 2 months ago. It is a little over 1 year old.


Done, I hope they will get energy back and rebuild soon. Iím sure every little bit helps!


Done! Every little bit helps, even if just a few dollars. If I were hit with a natural disaster, I would really appreciate all the help I could get. This forum and all the members are awesome!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical fruits in Socal
« on: October 15, 2017, 11:47:13 PM »
How was the Cumbe? There was a variety native to Peru that they sold at the local markets. I forget what the name of that variety is but I thought it was Cumbe or something similar. I remember the fruit was very large.

Raul also has a sale thread of some giant Cherimoya that I would love to get a hold of if the fruit tastes good.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Truly tropical top 5
« on: October 15, 2017, 11:42:52 PM »
I just cut open the Sweet Tart grown on Florida Turpentine rootstock and it had a Brix of 26%. It was an excellent Mango but the sweetness and intensity of flavor was much stronger in the fruit with 30% Brix. I also noticed that this fruit had more fibers around the fruit.

This is just a small sampling of fruit from two different rootstocks and we are just starting to track this kind of info but no conclusions can be drawn until we get a lot more data from more fruit from different trees and over multiple years. There can be significant differences in the quality of fruit even from the same tree.

Here is a picture of the Sweet Tart when it was first sent to me

And here it is 11 days later ripened with bottom heat set at 93F


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