My seedling ivory mango is pushing flowers!

[JoeP450]

Pretty stoked to report that my seedling Ivory mango is pushing flowers for the first time. I attended the Fairchild gardens mango fest in July of 2011, that year they were featuring the mangos of Hawaii. Though the ivory mango did not originate in Hawaii, I brought a bunch home after purchasing them from a fruit stand at the fest. I thought it was a fantastic mango and one of the most memorable flavors I have tried, meanwhile not many nurseries propagate it. I decided to plant it out and make it my goal to fruit it. Honestly, looking back I am surprised it has stuck with me this far in its 3rd pot, and with me at my third residence (first home). It's been neglected and probably root bound, as I haven't found the right place for it, but today while walking my dog I noticed it flushing with some flowers.






Even though it is a ways off from holding its first fruit, I hope this post serves others a sense to persevere onto fruiting your seedling mangos!

-joep450

[Tropicalgrower89]

Awesome! I have a seedling mango tree grown from an NDM #4 mango. My NDM#4 tree is right next to the lemon zest mango and both trees were in bloom at the same time last mango season. You could see flies and other insects jumping between the lemon zest flowers and the NDM #4 flowers. It is a clump of two seedlings (poly-embryonic). The new leaves of the larger/more vigorous of the two seedling mangoes have a sweet orangey smell like the lemon zest, so I'm hoping it is a LZ x NDM #4 cross. I'm going to put it into a larger pot this summer and hope it blooms in a few years or so. 

[Tropicaliste]

Wow, in a pot too. Inspiring.

[Future]

Very impressive. Ivory is one of my top mangoes - and that is a hard bunch to get into.  it enjoy the silky smoothness and sweet flavour.  The first year I had it, it was sickly sweet.  A great mango.  As a person who has been planting seeds since about the same year as as you planted this, very appreciative of you sharing this story.  I am gonna girdle my 2 oldest trees - Zill and a Spirit of 76 seedlings - again.

[JF]

congrats Joe very nice! Your tree looks great poly mangos are the fastest growers here in Socal and make the best rootstock based on what I've experience.

[HMHausman]

Pretty stoked to report that my seedling Ivory mango is pushing flowers for the first time. I attended the Fairchild gardens mango fest in July of 2011, that year they were featuring the mangos of Hawaii. Though the ivory mango did not originate in Hawaii, I brought a bunch home after purchasing them from a fruit stand at the fest. I thought it was a fantastic mango and one of the most memorable flavors I have tried, meanwhile not many nurseries propagate it. I decided to plant it out and make it my goal to fruit it. Honestly, looking back I am surprised it has stuck with me this far in its 3rd pot, and with me at my third residence (first home). It's been neglected and probably root bound, as I haven't found the right place for it, but today while walking my dog I noticed it flushing with some flowers.






Even though it is a ways off from holding its first fruit, I hope this post serves others a sense to persevere onto fruiting your seedling mangos!

-joep450

Now the question is......is this a clone of Ivory or a sexual reproduction with its own unique characteristics?

[Cookie Monster]

haha! That's insane!

[TnTrobbie]

Dang. So that's what their flowers look like. You're so lucky. I got one inground and it's swollen buds mock me.

[gnappi]

I have a "Julie" seedling that I'm having doubts about it's parentage, but it's a GR8 little tree, and I'll go see the parent tree when both their fruits are mature and get some opinions on the parent.

[bsbullie]

I have a "Julie" seedling that I'm having doubts about it's parentage, but it's a GR8 little tree, and I'll go see the parent tree when both their fruits are mature and get some opinions on the parent.

Do you know what the actual parent is?  What makes you have doubts?

[gnappi]

I have a "Julie" seedling that I'm having doubts about it's parentage, but it's a GR8 little tree, and I'll go see the parent tree when both their fruits are mature and get some opinions on the parent.

Do you know what the actual parent is?  What makes you have doubts?

The color of my fruit is purplish, smaller shaped round, no problems with any diseases. I only saw the parent tree briefly (the tree sizes are right) when I got the seedling and it had no fruit on it but the co-worker I got it from insists the parent is Julie and she planted the seed. We are going to meet to assess them once the fruits on both mature.

But as you know there have been mislabeled trees before. She may be going by what a label said and not by the character of the fruit itself. I'll know if her fruit is Julie if I get to see them. Then once I get a few of hers I'll take them and mine to Jeff, and possibly others to assess. Hopefully my F$5#*^! neighbors will let me keep some this year! 

[bsbullie]

Gary - keep in mind, a seedling can wind up totally different from its parent.  Some of Gary Zill's project seedling had no resemblance to their parents, some of which were Julie seedlings.   Honey Kiss is a seedling of Keitt but it does not resemble Keitt in any way, tree size, growth habit,  fruit size, fruit texture.

The most important thing is that you like the fruit.  Seeking out the parent is an added bonus but secondary for a backyard grower with one "special " tree.

[gnappi]

Gary - keep in mind, a seedling can wind up totally different from its parent.  Some of Gary Zill's project seedling had no resemblance to their parents, some of which were Julie seedlings.   Honey Kiss is a seedling of Keitt but it does not resemble Keitt in any way, tree size, growth habit,  fruit size, fruit texture.

The most important thing is that you like the fruit.  Seeking out the parent is an added bonus but secondary for a backyard grower with one "special " tree.

Understood, but I expected a bit more in common with the parent,  and the fruit are very good. I may name it:

Overlord mango, or Purple pirate, or juicy Lucy, or... no stop there, Juicy Lucy it is :-)

[JoeP450]

Hey Forum,

Circling back to this post because the time is very close to where I'll be tasting the first mango off my Ivory seedling. How crazy does this mango look, looks nothing like the parent Ivory mango it came from. It has a NDM type body and this chick has some hips on her dayum...

Tree only produced one mango this year, after I gave it a very heavy pruning earlier in the year was half the size, a vigorous grower... thinking 'leviathan turbo' as a potential name 🤓😈









-joep450

[JF]

very nice strong seedling Joe but it looks like it did not come true to seed


real Ivory

[simon_grow]

That's awesome, there should be a seedling mango thread. I'm following in my mentors(Leo Manuel) footsteps and planting both mono and polyembryonic seeds. Please let us know how the fruit tastes when it's ripe.

Simkn

[JF]

That's awesome, there should be a seedling mango thread. I'm following in my mentors(Leo Manuel) footsteps and planting both mono and polyembryonic seeds. Please let us know how the fruit tastes when it's ripe.

Simkn

Leo, Eunice(RIP), Rudy and Jim are our mentors they are a treasure and lovely people

[zands]

That's awesome, there should be a seedling mango thread. I'm following in my mentors(Leo Manuel) footsteps and planting both mono and polyembryonic seeds. Please let us know how the fruit tastes when it's ripe.

Simkn

My take is that most seedling mangoes turn out OK enough. You might get a very good one. My one seedling mango experiment produced very good looking red fruit but just average mild Glenn kind of taste.

Biggest problem is what month will your seedling mango tree produce ripe fruits? Most will produce at the height of mango season when you are flooded anyway. So if you want earlier and later mangoes you are wasting space with seedling trees.

I would like to know various tricks people have for getting a seedling tree to produce fruit sooner like a grafted tree.

[JoeP450]

Zands

I think that is what deters many from growing mangos from seed, the time lag until actually tasting the fruit, or long juvenile period. Once I was down off seacrest buying mangos from verna zill and Walter walked over, I asked him this question and his answer was get the seed in the ground. 🤔 Would love to know the secret sauce and or breeding techniques because the new zill mangos are incredible. I managed to hang on to this seedling because I kept it in a pot, so I could bring it from other places I was just renting at. I would prune it to keep it shapely and branching, and would fertilize with store bought fert and also scraps from omega juicer juicing. I almost threw the plant out because the wind kept blowing it over in its pot as it was top heavy and I didn't have a spot to plant it, my patience was at peek exhaustion, then one day I noticed the flower buds and was like ok I'm gonna stick this out, and I'm gonna make space for this.

-joep450

[Future]

Zands

I think that is what deters many from growing mangos from seed, the time lag until actually tasting the fruit, or long juvenile period. Once I was down off seacrest buying mangos from verna zill and Walter walked over, I asked him this question and his answer was get the seed in the ground. 🤔 Would love to know the secret sauce and or breeding techniques because the new zill mangos are incredible. I managed to hang on to this seedling because I kept it in a pot, so I could bring it from other places I was just renting at. I would prune it to keep it shapely and branching, and would fertilize with store bought fert and also scraps from omega juicer juicing. I almost threw the plant out because the wind kept blowing it over in its pot as it was top heavy and I didn't have a spot to plant it, my patience was at peek exhaustion, then one day I noticed the flower buds and was like ok I'm gonna stick this out, and I'm gonna make space for this.

-joep450

How long from seed?  Ivory is a good mango.  You might have your hands on the next lemon zest...

[JoeP450]

Future- I ate the fruit July of 2011 so planted the seed shortly thereafter.

-joep450

[gozp]

Future- I ate the fruit July of 2011 so planted the seed shortly thereafter.

-joep450

i think he meant since planted when did it flower for u & how is the taste of ivory seedling?

[JoeP450]

Gozp- flowered in march 2015, will do a taste report once the fruit is ready.

-joep450

[JoeP450]

Well the day finally came, when I finally got to try the fruit of years patience, but sadly not in the best condition. Only one came off the tree this year so I felt a lot riding on this singular fruit, it has been raining like crazy and within past week the fruit has swollen bigly. The kicker was when I came home today from work and saw a squirrel had eaten the top corner of the mango while still on the tree which by now was bulging out of the plastic strawberry case supposed I placed to protect it.

The fruit was large, measured 8.75in long and weighed 2.48lbs, was mostly green with some yellowing on the outside of one side as well as the top squirrel eaten part cut aside. The shape resembling an Asian mango (parentage ivory x ? ).  Due to this being the only mango I'm sure future years crop will vary under better picking and ripening conditions but I will report on what was. I did not notice any noticeable scent on the outside. The flesh was bright yellow and completely fiberless with obvious jelly seed. The flavor varied all over the place as A this was a yuge mango and B a mix of jelly seed, overripe, underripe, and decent ripeness. I did taste the Ivory terpenes in this mango most notably near the skin, I tasted some NDM honey flavor in the deep flesh with some Fairchild thrown in. The rest of the underripe mango resembled okrung eaten green which was actually exciting because i think there is potential for this as a versatile mango that can be enjoyed green or ripe. Another interesting point about this mango was the monoembryonic seed, which when I initially planted was also from a mono seed, I have planted other Ivory mangos I had purchased from Excalibur in the past and they were poly with many shoots of which I threw away. Personally I have yet to see a mono seed with Asian body but I have only eaten maybe near close to 130 mango types.

Anyways this year is a big vegetative year and looking forward to a big harvest next year under better conditions hopefully. Also per the crop, I hope to be able to send some members samples under condition tasting reviews would be posted if anyone down for that.

-joep450

[simon_grow]

Thanks for the report, I'm sorry the squirrel got to it before you harvested it but looks like the jellyseed would have affected it anyways. First fruits are usually sub par so hopefully it will get even better with age.

Simon