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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #75 on: October 04, 2012, 11:45:29 PM »
There is a strong genetic component to appreciation of flavors, as well as a strong cultural influence.

Some families of Haitians despise mangos, because mangos are too sweet!

I think that is also true with Polynesians they don't like sweet fruits,. Their solution: eat the mangos green, or pickle them. Also they ate most bananas cooked green. Wi apple (ambarella) is also eaten green or pickled.

Yes, but the green bananas are still often mixed with heaps of sugar, custard and even Milo! lol
My best friend growing up was Samoan and I never did get why they ate everything in the starchy state, but with added sugar, rather than eating them when they had sugared-up naturally. Delicious never the less.  ;D

Sugar is a modern product. Don't think ancients sugar coated everything. Also don't think they all had diabetes like now a days. Poi (fermented taro) is still eaten and enjoyed here without any sweeteners.
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2012, 07:45:43 PM »
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm

Knowledge and appeciation of this species is not a new thing.

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2012, 01:59:43 AM »
http://rfcarchives.org.au/Next/PeoplePlaces/GrayProperty11-93.htm

Knowledge and appeciation of this species is not a new thing.

This was back in 1993 - a grafted junglesop - sounds interesting! Could the 'Chris and Don Gray's orchard' still be there?
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2012, 05:53:44 AM »
It is there in Julatten still but I don't know what condition it is in.A couple of years ago they had an add for fruit tree sales.I know people who would know and will check.

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2012, 06:53:53 AM »
Sounds like a possible source for budwood - and it could be interesting to know more about the rootstock...
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #80 on: October 15, 2012, 01:47:59 PM »
Hello junglesop hunters  :)
I will get in the next view days 4 seeds of annnidium mannii. Any
sowing and germination instructions are welcome.
I don't know in what condition are the seeds but I do not like to loose the seeds because of me!
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #81 on: October 15, 2012, 02:44:41 PM »
Hello junglesop hunters  :)
I will get in the next view days 4 seeds of annnidium mannii. Any
sowing and germination instructions are welcome.
I don't know in what condition are the seeds but I do not like to loose the seeds because of me!

Hi msk0072,

Soak the seeds for few days(1-3) and change the water, every few hours ;) Try the zip-lock style or like i done, with a lunch tin with some humid material to keep the seed from drying out. In 2 to 3 weeks, them seeds will start to germinate...Take the utmost care when planting a seed with a root...if you damage this fragile root, it ain't going to recover ;) Good luck!!! :) 
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2012, 01:29:19 PM »
Hi Steven
Thanks for the advice.  ;)
Should I use pure peat moss, soil or some mixture?
What was your success rate?
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2012, 03:16:04 PM »
Hi Steven
Thanks for the advice.  ;)
Should I use pure peat moss, soil or some mixture?
What was your success rate?

Hi Msk,
You're welcome :)
I used Peat + Native soil + Cactus mix(to help with the drainage)
I got 100% success rate and i planted the seed half way...they are quite huge  8) Now, the Junglesop is busy with them roots...hopefully soon, the sprout will pop up :)
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #84 on: November 27, 2013, 07:53:50 AM »
found a pic of whitmans trees.


they look a bit stressed from a storm.

They're protected from sun in his famous shade houses...I wish someone would make me a nice house, and feed me and take care of me!  in Miami, FL.  and spray me with copper.  ;D ;D  and cut my limbs  ;D ;D haha...never mind.

I guess there's benefits to being a human.



Here is the article : the tree on the picture was even damaged by the hurricane and originated from Congo, picture taken in Bill Whitman garden south Florida.  http://readtiger.com/www.tropicsphere.com/main/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4359
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2013, 03:58:15 PM »
Radoslav

thanks for posting...I have a pair of junglesops growing nicely.

they're still small...but staying green, showing no sensitivity to city water (high ph, chlorine, fluoride, etc). 

here comes the cold windy weather!   im going to see how they handle 40F...they're supposed to be somewhat cold tolerant; surviving brief freezes quite easily.

when it gets colder than 40F, I will take them inside.

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #86 on: November 28, 2013, 08:48:58 AM »
Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #87 on: November 28, 2013, 09:27:29 AM »
That must be the largest annona flower! I wonder where in Hawaii they mean this plant was introduced?? I'll ask at the experimental stations.
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Oscar the Onomea Gardens on the scenic route... groundskeeper told me he has a 15+ old tree growing there ..never fruited yet...he thought it might need more than one.

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #88 on: November 28, 2013, 11:38:31 AM »
Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #89 on: November 28, 2013, 12:45:37 PM »
My junglesops seeds arrived… They were off-season, but they look well, and the embryo is still fresh.
They are large, and rather weighty, with a strange shape for a plant so closely related to annona. The shell was soft enough to scratch.



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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #90 on: November 28, 2013, 05:18:00 PM »
That must be the largest annona flower! I wonder where in Hawaii they mean this plant was introduced?? I'll ask at the experimental stations.
Hi everyone..
Oscar the Onomea Gardens on the scenic route... groundskeeper told me he has a 15+ old tree growing there ..never fruited yet...he thought it might need more than one.

Thanks. I know him, i'll ask him about it next time i'm there.
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #91 on: November 28, 2013, 06:49:03 PM »
I order 15 seeds last year from Germany. Now I have 3 plants about 15 cm tall. Will try to post some pictures soon. They germinated very very slowly and because here in EU is very short day in winter months I put them under artificial light.

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2013, 07:02:13 PM »
I ordered two seeds from Trade Winds Fruit not too long ago and one started germinating right away, while the other is currently sprouting several small, stringy roots, about five to be exact, from a spot where I crudely scarified it. What an interesting fruit, I wonder why it hasn't been cultivated already.
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #93 on: November 29, 2013, 03:33:41 AM »
I ordered two seeds from Trade Winds Fruit not too long ago and one started germinating right away, while the other is currently sprouting several small, stringy roots, about five to be exact, from a spot where I crudely scarified it. What an interesting fruit, I wonder why it hasn't been cultivated already.

In the past it was extremely difficult to obtain seeds. Also there is the fact that trees take about 20 years to fruit?
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #94 on: November 29, 2013, 09:10:35 AM »
Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?

no.

Well Adam, you are a year ahead of me, but Im further south. So you want to make a long term wager to see who gets there first?
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #95 on: November 29, 2013, 11:55:45 AM »
I believe Bill Whitman's trees never flowered.  When he was in decline himself, his trees declined also, due to irrigation (often turned off) and fertilization (put down in heavy bands, about an inch deep) irregularities by non-horticulturist helpers.
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2013, 12:48:58 PM »
Did Whitman ever get his trees to fruit?

no.

Well Adam, you are a year ahead of me, but Im further south. So you want to make a long term wager to see who gets there first?

I won't bet...but I'll still try to fruit mine faster than you!  and I will be happy to post regular updates.

in order to fruit them quickly I will be doing the following:
1) keep in a container, stepping them up gradually, but consistently.
2) regular feedings during times of active growth, using mostly organic fertilizers and micro nutritional sprays (secret weapon, Agripro/Turfpro...which has micronutrients, beneficial organisms and mycorrhizae)
3) keep in filtered light for the first few years, but increase sunlight ASAP.
4) keep pruning them
5) keep them warm
6) use an acid soil mix, with good drainage, yet ample water retention. (pine bark, peat, sand)

and there is a few more things I can do to win the race...but I can't give away all the tricks...you might beat me!

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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2013, 03:37:53 PM »
I did not know it took so long to fruit? If that is so we need to get some scion wood we can graft with! I looked at pictures of the flowers, they look quite interesting, are they the largest annonas flower?
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Re: Annonidium mannii
« Reply #98 on: November 29, 2013, 03:41:32 PM »
I did not know it took so long to fruit? If that is so we need to get some scion wood we can graft with! I looked at pictures of the flowers, they look quite interesting, are they the largest annonas flower?

Right now we're extremely lucky to be able to get seeds. But yes in future should try to get scion wood of mature trees "if possible". They are the largest annona fruits, so wouldn't be surprised if it's also the largest annona flowers, but don't know.
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« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2013, 04:57:08 PM »
I did not know it took so long to fruit? If that is so we need to get some scion wood we can graft with! I looked at pictures of the flowers, they look quite interesting, are they the largest annonas flower?

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