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Shiranui Mandarin Available
« on: January 21, 2016, 02:35:27 AM »
Shiranui mandarin is now available through the CCPP it is on early release and a maximum of 12 buds can be purchased, the budwood cut date is January 31 so get your orders in now!!! I got mine ordered :)

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2016, 11:14:24 AM »
What's the minimum order of buds? And what rootstock are you planning to use?

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2016, 02:06:50 PM »
For members who might not know. Shiranui is an other name for the common name Dekopon a much sought after variety. - Millet

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2016, 03:51:47 PM »
Yes thank you Millet, the shiranui is an unregistered/untrademarked form of the dekopon. It has just became available through the Citrus Clonal Protection Program and the minimum order of buds is 6 and the max is 12 it is on early release. I am planning on using some Sour orange rootstock to graft it onto  ;)
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2016, 08:58:38 PM »
What's the minimum order of buds? And what rootstock are you planning to use?

I would recommend Swingle in the Bahamas.   Grafted trees have been available in Florida for about a year now, give or take.
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2016, 09:03:17 PM »
Newbie question here.  Bud wood from CCPP, but where do you get rootstock?  Are you air layering branches of Swingle?

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2016, 09:08:38 PM »
Thank you Josh. I will order some for myself and friends.
All the ones I've purchased have been terrible. They were either very sour or sour and left out for too long. Hopefully fresh grown fruits will live up to its hype.

I guess you guys are planning to "stick" graft rather than budding?

Just get any local citrus and use it as rootstock.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2016, 09:27:13 PM »
Thank you Josh. I will order some for myself and friends.
All the ones I've purchased have been terrible. They were either very sour or sour and left out for too long. Hopefully fresh grown fruits will live up to its hype.

I guess you guys are planning to "stick" graft rather than budding?

Just get any local citrus and use it as rootstock.

I buy Florida grown fruit and the Sumos from whole foods and they have been excellent.

For South Florida  (and Bahamas being of similar climate ) I would be more selective of the rootstock being used.
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2016, 09:30:26 PM »
Bought these at local Whole Foods last week.  They are a minimum of 1.5 pounds each.



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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2016, 09:38:48 PM »
Bought these at local Whole Foods last week.  They are a minimum of 1.5 pounds each.




Florida grown?
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 09:43:55 PM »
Bought these at local Whole Foods last week.  They are a minimum of 1.5 pounds each.




Florida grown?


Yes, Florida grown.
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2016, 08:10:32 AM »
You guys are just getting them over there? they have been available in FL for years and aren't even a specialist nursery tree here. Found a big one at HD three years ago and have picked up some smaller ones since. Supposedly they are more cold hardy than other varieties. I haven't had any issues with the minor frosts I have had here in Central Florida. Fruits are very large, relatively easy to peel but fairly seedy. They have a good sweet taste especially if you leave them on the tree for awhile during colder weather. I pull mine in March.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2016, 10:08:28 AM »
You guys are just getting them over there? they have been available in FL for years and aren't even a specialist nursery tree here. Found a big one at HD three years ago and have picked up some smaller ones since. Supposedly they are more cold hardy than other varieties. I haven't had any issues with the minor frosts I have had here in Central Florida. Fruits are very large, relatively easy to peel but fairly seedy. They have a good sweet taste especially if you leave them on the tree for awhile during colder weather. I pull mine in March.

Something is off with your description.   I have eaten many many pouds of Florida and  California grown Shiranuhi and have actually never found one seed. 
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2016, 05:13:21 PM »
Rob is correct.  Dekopon (aka Shiranui aka Sumo) have very very few to no seeds.  It is rare to find a seed in the fruit. - Millet

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 06:53:22 PM »
Maybe he's thinking of another Japanese sounding citrus like the satsuma. That one's been available for decades.
Sumo was pretty recent, like within the last decade. I remember hearing about it when the people that imported it had the only trees and I've only been into growing fruits for less than a decade.

They had CCPP secretly legally clean the import of diseases and that took 5 years before they could get their hands on it. Now CCPP is releasing it after some period of time of keeping it under wraps. The conditions are publicly available on the CCPP website.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2016, 01:57:23 AM »
I bought and ate about 40+ sumos last season and out of all those sumos i only found 1 seed, it is still growing, slowly but still growing. but now i have ordered some through the CCPP and will graft it onto some sour orange seedlings.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2016, 08:52:59 AM »
been wanting budwood of this but it's so hard to get any citrus wood shipped in here with all the restrictions  :-\

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2016, 10:16:38 AM »
fyliu: That's a surprise that your fruit was so sour. The first year Sumos came out(2011 or so), when they were only available in CA, one of the local Asian chains imported them to sell here on the East Coast, and they were super sweet. The only drawback being that the centers, where it's a bit hollow, started to rot on the older fruit. They may be imported from Florida now, but what you ate should've been good too. Weird.

My tree came as a nice healthy sapling from Harris in Florida.  I was very pleased. :)


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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2016, 12:57:25 PM »
You guys are just getting them over there? they have been available in FL for years and aren't even a specialist nursery tree here. Found a big one at HD three years ago and have picked up some smaller ones since. Supposedly they are more cold hardy than other varieties. I haven't had any issues with the minor frosts I have had here in Central Florida. Fruits are very large, relatively easy to peel but fairly seedy. They have a good sweet taste especially if you leave them on the tree for awhile during colder weather. I pull mine in March.

Something is off with your description.   I have eaten many many pouds of Florida and  California grown Shiranuhi and have actually never found one seed.

I remember an old thread (either on the citrus forumup site or gardenweb) where it was discussed that there were two sub-types of Shiranui, one with very few seeds on one that was fairly seedy.  It might be worth a search.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2016, 02:58:52 PM »
You guys are just getting them over there? they have been available in FL for years and aren't even a specialist nursery tree here. Found a big one at HD three years ago and have picked up some smaller ones since. Supposedly they are more cold hardy than other varieties. I haven't had any issues with the minor frosts I have had here in Central Florida. Fruits are very large, relatively easy to peel but fairly seedy. They have a good sweet taste especially if you leave them on the tree for awhile during colder weather. I pull mine in March.

Something is off with your description.   I have eaten many many pouds of Florida and  California grown Shiranuhi and have actually never found one seed.

I remember an old thread (either on the citrus forumup site or gardenweb) where it was discussed that there were two sub-types of Shiranui, one with very few seeds on one that was fairly seedy.  It might be worth a search.

Shiranui is another name for Dekopon.   Never heard of any true "sub-species" from any Florida grower.  If it was something that came from Harris it wouldn't surprise me.   Again,  as I have stated, they are tge Tradewinds & TT of the citrus world.  Highly not recommended in my book...
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2016, 08:24:07 AM »
Meh I have had great dealings with Harris and would gladly deal with them again, they give me the hook up on stuff not on their site when I show up and it does really well in the ground. On the Shiranui I have a fruit on one of my smaller ones, Ill try and remember to post if it has seeds. I am not mixing up Satsuma with Shiranui. It was labeled as shiranui from whoever HDs source is. Seeing as strict as FL is on citrus, I doubt it was mislabeled. My smaller two are from a different nursery.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2016, 11:56:04 AM »
Meh I have had great dealings with Harris and would gladly deal with them again, they give me the hook up on stuff not on their site when I show up and it does really well in the ground. On the Shiranui I have a fruit on one of my smaller ones, Ill try and remember to post if it has seeds. I am not mixing up Satsuma with Shiranui. It was labeled as shiranui from whoever HDs source is. Seeing as strict as FL is on citrus, I doubt it was mislabeled. My smaller two are from a different nursery.

Do you have a picture of the fruit that had a lot of seeds?  Just seems really odd.
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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2016, 12:23:20 PM »
My Shiranui trees' fruit from Harris do not have seeds.  I am very happy ordering from them.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2016, 01:20:22 PM »
Nope that was in years past. I only have one small tree with a fruit on it after deer ravaged my bigger tree enough to where it has no fruit on it this time around when I normally would be pulling them off.

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Re: Shiranui Mandarin Available
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2016, 11:34:17 PM »
I talked to the Texas budwood bureau today and they are getting me
some shiranui budwood and Akcay Sekeri sweet orange. Yea!

http://www.fruitmentor.com/akcay-sekeri-sweet-orange

I have tasted xuegan sweet orange from China, available from Texas budwood bureau. My tree had 3 very good small fruit, very sweet and a rich tasting with no seeds. John Panzarella's tree had larger fruit that weren't so rich tasting. It is a winner IMHO.
I also got to taste 15-150 or lee x orlando this year. It is a real winner as well. Fruit are satsuma sized or slightly larger with a distinctive shape. Flavor was sweet and rich. A friend in Lumberton, TX has about 25 trees in his yard that I propagated. When I retired in 2010 I gave Bob a bunch of trees that had lost labels. He didn't mind as they all were very good selections. His trees are 6+ feet tall now and he had dozens of lee x orlando fruit. It is also supposed to be as cold hardy as satsuma. It is one of those 3/4 grapefruit and 1/4 mandarin hybrids, all of which are great tasting. I also have tasted lee x nova which is a seedless mandarin like fruit as well. Haven't yet tasted lee x robinson but have a tree in a pot. http://www.fruitmentor.com/cat/citrus/varieties/usda-15-150
Lee is clementine x orlando and orlando is duncan x dancy
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