Jaboticaba ID?

[Rtreid]

Can anyone help with the ID of this jaboticaba? I got it a while ago and it is labeled "Sabara 5."  The leaf shape is clearly not sabara and I have never seen another jaboticaba with such intense red new growth. Any of the Myrciaria experts out there have any ideas about what it is?

Thanks,
Richard

[xshen]

Nice tree Richard.  I wish mine looked as nice as yours. I was told once it might have been a hybrid between sabara x coronata.

[huertasurbanas]

Can anyone help with the ID of this jaboticaba? I got it a while ago and it is labeled "Sabara 5."  The leaf shape is clearly not sabara and I have never seen another jaboticaba with such intense red new growth. Any of the Myrciaria experts out there have any ideas about what it is?

Thanks,
Richard

This is similar to one I have, Helton says it could be a wild variety of m. coronata and Adam S. thinks it could be m. cauliflora var paulista:




does it grows faster than others and does it likes any kind of water?

mine is very hardy.

[Rtreid]

Yes that does look a lot like my plant. The leaf shapes look very similar. The color of the new growth also  looks identical, and unlike any other Plinia I have ever seen (but I have only seen maybe 30 plants in my lifetime).  It also looks nothing like the two "Paulistia" that I have, so I can't say what it is.

As far as growth goes, it is the toughest of all the jaboticaba that I have.  It handles our hard water with very little leaf tip burn, it does not get chlorotic like some of my others, and grows quite fast for a Plinia.  Now if I could only get it to flower.

Has yours fruited yet, and if so, how old is it?

Cjheers,
Richard

[huertasurbanas]

Hi Richard, my plant seems to be 6 to 8 years old and seems to have the first flower buds on it! I took a photo 11 days ago and now another photo and the supposed buds grow slowly:

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=25526.0

I am happy to meet someone that has this same species, keep in touch. I hope we get some fruits so we can ID it correctly!

[huertasurbanas]

Hi, could you take some photos of the leaves? I mean, if you could take good near photos of leaves we can identify it properly.

It would be cool to have photos of your named m. cauliflora paulista, and photos of this non identified jabo.

Any photo of the leaves would be fine, but it would be better if you can take photos like these:



I did that just with my cell phone using android, but you can do it with a normal camera or and iphone too, how-to:

1) take a leaf of your plant and point it directly to the sun to show their veins
2) the camera should be in "flower" or "macro" mode to focus a near object! (in android, go to Auto --> PRO, Settings, Manual Focus, select the Flower icon)
3) focus your camera or cell phone to the leaf: the leaf should be between the sun and the camera
4) be sure to focus right! take a shot (as much shots as you think till it focus right)
5) upload it here!

your photo should look a bit like this:



There you can also see the sun behind, I let it there just for explaining purposes

[Vernmented]

I also have Sabara 5. I think these came out of Pine Island Nursery. Adam from Flying Fox thought it was a Sabara X Coronata like xshen said. No fruit yet. It most likely came from the same batch that you got. Mine has smaller leaves normally but I have had larger ones like yours. Mine also gets a lot of sun. I'll try to post a pic later. I probably planted mine in 2014 and it was probably 3 years old when I got it. Fruit should be coming in the next couple years I would think.

[Vernmented]

Mine also gets deep ridges along the branches. Almost like splitting from too much water but I think it is just it's normal growth habit.

[huertasurbanas]

That would be crazy, as this jaboticaba of mine didnt come from USA! it is native from Misiones, Argentina, so maybe it is not an hybrid...

Josh, can you take good photos of its leaves?

[Vernmented]

That would be crazy, as this jaboticaba of mine didnt come from USA! it is native from Misiones, Argentina, so maybe it is not an hybrid...

Josh, can you take good photos of its leaves?

I think they just imported seed and released them here. I can't back that up by anything but I would imagine that is how it went down. My tree came from a local nursery that buys stuff wholesale. It had a white tag on it like PIN uses.

[Vernmented]

Sabara 5








This thing has been heavily pruned for this shape. Some of the leaves on the ends were blown off by a hurricane three weeks ago and it is pushing out growth now.




Very deep back cracking that seems to be it's natural growth habit.




Chopped through this girdling rootbound root a while back.

[Vernmented]

Mine looks very different than those.

[huertasurbanas]

Mine looks very different than those.

I think we have the same species, look at my jaboticaba leaf venation: very reticulate as yours

[huertasurbanas]

About what adam wrote:

"the other one you called Savannah 5, is actually called Sabara 5, which is supposedly a new hybrid...they named this a Sabara, so im assuming one of the parents is Myrciaria jaboticaba (variety, Sabara) the most common type in the world.

when I look at the foliage and growth habit, this tree reminds me of a sabara crossed with M trunciflora.  Pine island could not confirm this trees parentage...and I never found out who created the hybrid...I remember hearing it was someone in FL who did it though.

btw...Pine Island, Zill, Hopkins, and almost every nursey I can think of, still has the regular old M jaboticaba (sabara), mislabeled as M cauliflora!"

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=7189.0

It would make sense if this is an hybrid! it has the hybrid vigor, it is precocious (mine is flowering at 6 to 8 y/o) and the venation is similar to my supposed sabaras (reticulate, paramarginal and intramarginal veins are similar); now we need a properly m. trunciflora leaf venation photo! do u have one?

all I have is this from Tomas:



http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=6725.0

[Vernmented]

trunciflora

[Vernmented]

Does your tree get those deep cracks in the bark?

Mine looks very different than those.

I think we have the same species, look at my jaboticaba leaf venation: very reticulate as yours

[huertasurbanas]

Does your tree get those deep cracks in the bark?

Hi: no, maybe that is the only different thing for now.

About the m. trunficlora leaf: I think maybe Adam was right and this could be a cross between sabará and trunciflora.

[huertasurbanas]

trunciflora

I dont know how nature works about crossing species, but if you mix that leaf (less reticulated) with this supposed sabara one (more reticulated):



it seems that it could get like this:

[huertasurbanas]

If it is a cross of m. jaboticaba with m. trunciflora, I guess we should get tasty black fruits with a "cabinho"

http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/myrciariatrunciflora.htm

[huertasurbanas]

Or maybe this is just another trunciflora? why not?

here there is a video of a trunciflora from Brazil

https://youtu.be/Z6lzHjithK4?t=5m15s

[Aaron]

Had to rotate the image.


Where can I get one of these beautiful jabos?

[Vernmented]

These are normally caulifloras that have this bright red growth right? The wavy leaves look like Plinia cauliflora 'Paulista'. Did you get this tree with the white Sabara 5 label on it. This is a different tree then the one I bought with the original Sabara 5 label.

xshen, Did you get your tree from the same source as Rtreid? Who else has Sabara 5 out there or some Paulista pics that we can compare?

Can anyone help with the ID of this jaboticaba? I got it a while ago and it is labeled "Sabara 5."  The leaf shape is clearly not sabara and I have never seen another jaboticaba with such intense red new growth. Any of the Myrciaria experts out there have any ideas about what it is?

Thanks,
Richard

Had to rotate the image.


Where can I get one of these beautiful jabos?

[Vernmented]

The leaves look more like the first picture in the lineup here of the Plinia cauliflora.

Hi, could you take some photos of the leaves? I mean, if you could take good near photos of leaves we can identify it properly.

It would be cool to have photos of your named m. cauliflora paulista, and photos of this non identified jabo.

Any photo of the leaves would be fine, but it would be better if you can take photos like these:



I did that just with my cell phone using android, but you can do it with a normal camera or and iphone too, how-to:

1) take a leaf of your plant and point it directly to the sun to show their veins
2) the camera should be in "flower" or "macro" mode to focus a near object! (in android, go to Auto --> PRO, Settings, Manual Focus, select the Flower icon)
3) focus your camera or cell phone to the leaf: the leaf should be between the sun and the camera
4) be sure to focus right! take a shot (as much shots as you think till it focus right)
5) upload it here!

your photo should look a bit like this:



There you can also see the sun behind, I let it there just for explaining purposes

[huertasurbanas]

The leaves look more like the first picture in the lineup here of the Plinia cauliflora.

Yes, but that one is what I suppose now that is m. trunciflora! ;-)

grey trunk
grow faster than sabará and many others
very hardy
new red growth
accept city water
very reticulated leaf venation
it develops like an umbela (umbeliforme)
wavy leaves

that's why I think it is trunciflora

[Rtreid]

Here are some images of my Sabara 5 and my Paulista

Sabara 5


Sabara 5


Paulista


Paulista


The leaves do look similar, but they are not the same. the tip of the Sabara 5 is more lanceolate than the cauliflora. it is hard to see on the pictures, but the top 20 mm of the Sabara 5 leaf looks like a 'stinger.' The main vein of the Sabara 5 is slightly pubescent while the Paulista is not. the main vein is also slightly depressed in the Sabara 5.  And as I said in the beginning of this thread, the color of the new growth in this plant is totally different from my Paulista (and any other Plinia I have ever seen until yours Huertas.

Also, it looks somewhat tile my truncifolia, but I am boubtful on my ID of the truncifolia as the leaves seem too large (7- 9 cm on a very young plant)

For those of us that have the Sabra 5, if it is indeed a hybrid, then it is not surprising that all the plants look different.