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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #125 on: August 06, 2015, 12:09:03 AM »
That means the bottom half of the seedling? The woody part? I should probably graft it on the opposite side of the failed graft? Should I break off the failed scion?

Break off the old scion for sure.

Graft onto woody part

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #126 on: October 13, 2017, 03:10:32 PM »
Hey Adam,
Could you give us an update on your container Rollinia?  Is it still doing well?  Did you ever graft any?

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #127 on: October 13, 2017, 03:35:17 PM »
Hey Adam,
Could you give us an update on your container Rollinia?  Is it still doing well?  Did you ever graft any?

hey!

the mother tree died!  i tried to repot it, and the roots got stressed, i thought it was rooted out in a 25 gal pot, but turns out the mix was heavy, and there weren't much roots, and the root ball just got torn apart when i tried to repot it.

the tree slowly declined....and died over the course of 3-4months after the stress occurred....

but i do have two small trees that i grafted about 2y ago, and one is fruiting now, only like 3ft tall in 5 gal pot...it's setting fruits like crazy...maybe 4-5 fruits set on a little tree, i can't let them all stay....

these plants hate root stress, make sure they're root bound before you re pot them!
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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #128 on: October 13, 2017, 08:34:32 PM »
Well, that's a shame.  It sounded so promising.  If you want to sell one of your grafted plants, I'm currently looking for one and some pitangatuba seeds/plants.  I'll be down in Orlando area in November.  Aren't you near that area?  Or did you move?

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #129 on: October 15, 2017, 04:13:54 PM »
Well, that's a shame.  It sounded so promising.  If you want to sell one of your grafted plants, I'm currently looking for one and some pitangatuba seeds/plants.  I'll be down in Orlando area in November.  Aren't you near that area?  Or did you move?

not a shame really, i had grafted back up trees, and they're doing great...i was able to keep the variety alive....

but I'm not selling either of my two back up trees, that would be foolish.

I stopped having customers visit my nursery, there's too much liability here, and honestly I don't have the patience to deal with most people in person...and my new dog Rex, is quick to scratch a visitor's car door.  :D

here is a video of the little back up tree setting fruits all over...

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #130 on: October 15, 2017, 05:58:01 PM »
Well, that's a shame.  It sounded so promising.  If you want to sell one of your grafted plants, I'm currently looking for one and some pitangatuba seeds/plants.  I'll be down in Orlando area in November.  Aren't you near that area?  Or did you move?

not a shame really, i had grafted back up trees, and they're doing great...i was able to keep the variety alive....

but I'm not selling either of my two back up trees, that would be foolish.

I stopped having customers visit my nursery, there's too much liability here, and honestly I don't have the patience to deal with most people in person...and my new dog Rex, is quick to scratch a visitor's car door.  :D

Gotcha...  Yeah.  Plants are much easier to deal with than people. 

I wasn't sure if your grafted plants were from your mother tree or another line. Well good thing you saved it.

Do you just do the big plant shows or mail order or did you stop selling all together?



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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #131 on: October 15, 2017, 07:29:50 PM »
thanks SonnyCrockett,

just doing mail order, and the one show per year in Manatee county, i love that sale, it's a one day sale on a Saturday, and it gets crazy.

Well, that's a shame.  It sounded so promising.  If you want to sell one of your grafted plants, I'm currently looking for one and some pitangatuba seeds/plants.  I'll be down in Orlando area in November.  Aren't you near that area?  Or did you move?

not a shame really, i had grafted back up trees, and they're doing great...i was able to keep the variety alive....

but I'm not selling either of my two back up trees, that would be foolish.

I stopped having customers visit my nursery, there's too much liability here, and honestly I don't have the patience to deal with most people in person...and my new dog Rex, is quick to scratch a visitor's car door.  :D

Gotcha...  Yeah.  Plants are much easier to deal with than people. 

I wasn't sure if your grafted plants were from your mother tree or another line. Well good thing you saved it.

Do you just do the big plant shows or mail order or did you stop selling all together?
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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #132 on: November 28, 2017, 03:27:11 PM »
the tree in the pics below was grafted from my mother tree, (which subsequently died from root trauma when i tried to repot it), now this back up tree is in a 5 gal, about 1.5y from grafting, and 3ft tall, it has set over 6 fruits, but a few aborted, now it's holding at least 3 fruits....








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Re: Fruiting Rollinia deliciosa in a pot
« Reply #133 on: August 05, 2018, 12:04:22 PM »
my oldest largest rollinia really flowering heavily...I think im going to step it up...in a heavier soil..the mix I have now is way too light...needs watering all the time...I guess its going into a 65-100 gal next




i remember the first biribas I got from F&S park from seed, trying to grow them to fruit in a pot...

the tree had to be huge before it would even think about producing a fruit...and when i finally got some they were kind of runty...

now shit done changed....I got the realness...

check these small grafted trees I've been able to get fruit from...without having to deal with 25, 50, 100 gal pots...   what a waste of time those old seedlings were....

my trees now got fruits all over, at least 3 set on this little 3 gal here (the first 4 pics)...
I already fruited one in a 5 gal pot, about 3ft tall...and got a nice sized fruit too (last 3 pics)...

grafted is the way to go if you are growing in a pot...and not just from any tree, you must graft from one that's known to set lots of fruits from an early age...

















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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #134 on: August 05, 2018, 03:59:22 PM »
That’s a good sized fruit for such a small tree. What if you too worked the seedlings in the large pots? You’ll probably get better quality fruit from the larger more established root system.

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #135 on: August 05, 2018, 06:19:32 PM »
That’s a good sized fruit for such a small tree. What if you too worked the seedlings in the large pots? You’ll probably get better quality fruit from the larger more established root system.

Simon

i think topworking that old tree might have been helpful...in terms of increasing productivity...

but that tree is long gone, i sold it to a friend, and it died because it was planted improperly...i think the wind help kill the tree too.

the mother tree from which I've been grafting from actually died...(I orginally called it  "Monstrinho", but need to change that name...I might just call it "precocious"..but haven't decided)

i was going to re-pot the tree, and thought the roots were solid in the 25 gal pot, but I found out they were not!  I tried to remove the tree from the 25 gal pot, and the roots fell apart..and I never could get the tree to recover, it took like 2-3 months at least for it to die....but luckily i kept back up trees...but  even those ended up dying...but i had back up trees from those...lol...they are succeptible to cold weather (i think more so than the old variety i had grown from fruit and spice park), and really hate any root stress....I also notice they suffer from branch die back all the time, i'm guessing due to fungus or something.
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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #136 on: August 07, 2018, 04:07:02 AM »
There are precocious selections, small tree types and all sorts of diversity in R.mucosa in my neck of the woods.

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #137 on: April 03, 2024, 12:47:35 PM »
Despite the warning about the post being >120d old, I thought I ll give it a chance

I bumped on this thread probably a little too late. But since this seems like a success story from people who managed to get (the best ever) fruit I tried, here is a previous thread of mine for some intro: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=52858.0

But I ll re-write a quick overview here again, so that its not a case of 'copy n paste'

I extracted the seeds from fruits that I bought (late August 2023) in a market in Borneo
The seeds were planted at 14th September
The soil mixture was 50% compost + 50% coco coir (coconut fibre). Plus a thin moss layer at the top (just for retaining moisture)

The first plant sprouted 6th October (3wks later). Soon more plants spouted within following week or so. Out of the initial 22 seeds, 16 sprouted

Initial growth was good. All 16 plants were inside one smaller pot. Just over a month later, it became apparent that I needed to split them. So I devided the plants into 4 pots. The rate of growth continued for a while more (around late December), at which point the first signs of blackening (dark spots at the edge of some leafs) occurred. That gradually started to get worse, with most of the plants losing leafs

The plants were always place next to the window. Whenever there was sun, they got it. Watering varied over time. Once every 3 days at the beginning, and lately once every 5 days (as I was testing that soil was already moist and was afraid of over watering

Have two concerns. The first is why the blackening/fall of leafs and the 2nd is that the rate of growth has almost stopped

Unfortunately, the state of my plants looks like this today:









All 16 of them still survive (some of which barely hanging on..)

As you can probably compare from back then, the rate of growth is almost zero
I now begin to realize that the problem of my plants getting black spots in their leafs, dropping leafs, slowly dying - is not the watering frequency
But more likely the soil. Even though I migrated the 16 plants from their birth-pot to 4 pots, I would image that they now exhausted all nutrients (even though there are 'only' 4 of them per pot)
I have already bought enough pots to put each plant into a seperate pot (which is a real challenge, as I live in a small apartment and there are only few spots left by the window, where they could get some sun). On a sunny day, they could get 5 or more hours of weak Bavarian sun (but probably that what it keeps them alive!)

My current soil mixture is 50% compost, 50% coco coir plus a thin layer of moss at the top, for retaining humidity

I am about to buy soil for the next big migration. Should I stick to the above recipe, or does any of you guys think that I should prep a different mixture in order to give these plants a chance?

I mean, I don't know what future these plants could possibly have in my room. Ceiling is like 2.5m tall. Even if I somehow manage to keep these alive (here in Munich!) my expectation of them flowering/fruiting a close to zero. But I want to keep them alive as much I possibly can. These plants have high emotional value to me

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #138 on: April 03, 2024, 01:23:38 PM »
It could be a build up of minerals in the soil from all the ondoor watering so likely the pots need a good flushing out.

Ideally if it's warm enough outside by now, set them out and let a good rainstorm flush the pots.

And in lieu of that go ahead with the repotting....

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #139 on: April 03, 2024, 04:18:05 PM »
Thank you for getting back Paul!

Not sure what 'flushing out' means in botany terms, but my guess is that rain water could potentially bring some 'balance' to the microfauna in the soil? Or something like that?
I ve been watering the plants using tap water. And I ve been sure to let it drain properly. But tap water here is very high on calc. Not sure if that has an impact to what you imply here (pH?)
Temp here is still too low for leaving the plants outside after evening. During the day, lately it started to slowly reach 15-20C (which I still believe is somewhat low for this plant)
Hardiness zone here is 7 I think - and this plant normally needs what 11 minimum?  :-\
But in any case, when I see rain, I will briefly take the plants out instead of watering using tap

But now, for sure, I should be migrating the plants to each own having seperate pot

The soil mix I used so far is this
50% of this: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B09GW2NCT6/
50% of that: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B07SHV12CK/
A touch of that: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B0BTT44R8M/
A touch of that: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B001B5DKN2/
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Is my above mix suitable? Or can I make it better?

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #140 on: April 03, 2024, 04:26:18 PM »
By "flushing out" I assume Epicatt2 is talking about leaching - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaching_(chemistry), using water to dissolve accumulated minerals in the container soil and remove them.

Even my in-ground, in-greenhouse rollinia looks a bit yellow in the winter.  It will bounce back to healthy green as it warms up and we get longer days.  Yours might also

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« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2024, 08:36:53 AM »

The soil mix I used so far is this
50% of this: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B09GW2NCT6/
50% of that: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B07SHV12CK/
A touch of that: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B0BTT44R8M/
A touch of that: https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B001B5DKN2/
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OK, understood. Watering will be improved after this read, thanks!

Any comments with regard to the mixture I used so far? Should I stick to it or is there a way I can improve on it?

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Re: Fruiting Biriba, Rollinia deliciosa in a container
« Reply #142 on: April 04, 2024, 09:00:35 AM »
I can't speak much to container soil, I am not even sure what my container soil is anymore it it contains recycled soil from years of repottings

 

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