coconut cream mango tree for sale on ebay???

[anaxel]

you saw on ebay coconut cream mango trees for sale!!
Is this really a coconut cream? with seedling of haden and others mango tree?
possible or not?
I need your opinion?

[cwojo]

can you link it?

[Tim]

I assume you're talking about this listing?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mango-Tree-COCONUT-CREAM-grafted-3-live-plant-cheapest-on-ebay-condo-/261093366661?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cca609b85

Even though title shows Coconut Cream, item description clearly states it's Haden?  A very generic and blanket taste description on a very new release.  I wouldn't trust the correct variety name.

[anaxel]

hi tim,hi all,
thank you for the answer.
yes, I'm talking about the announcement, which seems a bit dubious.
  why put title (Grafted mango tree coconut cream)?
this is not correct for the buyer.

[Patrick]

I dont know if I can trust a guy that claims to sell dwarf Malayan coconut trees http://www.ebay.com/itm/261055075763 for under thirty dollars.. Sounds like a set up for failure! But who knows.. Maybe its right! I got a great deal on a Maha Chanok from Thailand on eBay, this year it produced for the first time... They looked like Nam Doc Mai.. Buyer Beware!

[Cookie Monster]

It's likely legit. It comes from Hollywood, FL, so is likely a Zill tree. They probably copy/pasted the body of description and forgot to replace haden with coco cream. There's an easy way to tell if it's a coco cream: sap should smell orangey/citrussy. Not a bad price considering that drop tropicals sells them for 80 bones.

[Tim]

Yea, it's only $40+s/h to find out 

[bsbullie]

Sorry Cookie Man, gonna have to disagree with you on this one.  IF the picture is one of the actual plants available, leaves and growth habit do NOT look like Coco Cream.  No Zill tag, though that could have been removed.  I also question the quantity he has available and being a Coco Cream.  Nothing about pot size either.

Based on the listing, wonder how much for the dogs...and is he selling a condo also??

EDIT:  just looked at his other listings...other than the Cogshalls available for sale he/she seems to use the same picture for all listings.  Would put a lot of doubt there alone.  Also, look at his Cogshjall listing and zoom in on the pots...does not look like a Zill kept pot.  All plant tags that are visible are white but no wording legible...again, other than the Cogshall, pics are the same for all varieties listed.

Caveat Emptor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cookie Monster]

Yes, the cogshalls looks like they are from pine island: cleft grafted and typical 2.5 gallon pot. Just because the pictures are not coco cream doesn't mean he's not selling coco cream. Worst case scenario, you invoke buyer protection and/or leave bad feedback. If it were me, I'd buy one.

Sorry Cookie Man, gonna have to disagree with you on this one.  IF the picture is one of the actual plants available, leaves and growth habit do NOT look like Coco Cream.  No Zill tag, though that could have been removed.  I also question the quantity he has available and being a Coco Cream.  Nothing about pot size either.

Based on the listing, wonder how much for the dogs...and is he selling a condo also??

EDIT:  just looked at his other listings...other than the Cogshalls available for sale he/she seems to use the same picture for all listings.  Would put a lot of doubt there alone.  Also, look at his Cogshjall listing and zoom in on the pots...does not look like a Zill kept pot.  All plant tags that are visible are white but no wording legible...again, other than the Cogshall, pics are the same for all varieties listed.

Caveat Emptor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bsbullie]

Yes, the cogshalls looks like they are from pine island: cleft grafted and typical 2.5 gallon pot. Just because the pictures are not coco cream doesn't mean he's not selling coco cream. Worst case scenario, you invoke buyer protection and/or leave bad feedback. If it were me, I'd buy one.

Sorry Cookie Man, gonna have to disagree with you on this one.  IF the picture is one of the actual plants available, leaves and growth habit do NOT look like Coco Cream.  No Zill tag, though that could have been removed.  I also question the quantity he has available and being a Coco Cream.  Nothing about pot size either.

Based on the listing, wonder how much for the dogs...and is he selling a condo also??

EDIT:  just looked at his other listings...other than the Cogshalls available for sale he/she seems to use the same picture for all listings.  Would put a lot of doubt there alone.  Also, look at his Cogshjall listing and zoom in on the pots...does not look like a Zill kept pot.  All plant tags that are visible are white but no wording legible...again, other than the Cogshall, pics are the same for all varieties listed.

Caveat Emptor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You would go for it for $57???  I assume you mean for someone NOT in the SFla area who has actual access to purchase one in person for less?

Oh, buyer protection on Ebay...hahahaha  Ebay has gone downhil in the past couple of years as far as any type of protection.  If the seller did not want to refund, trying to prove it to ebay or paypal would be tough...


...and from his Tebow description (with that same white tag in the picture):  "For sale is this Tebow mango plant, designed by the University of Florida, and named for the famous quarterback."

[Cookie Monster]

Correct, being a south floridian, I'd just drive up to patrick's house or something :-). But for the cowboys in california, that's a reasonable deal.

Yah, I'm with you on buyer protection. I got milked for ~$350 once. The seller sent me a look-a-like product that was worth quite a bit less than I paid. When I went to ebay and paypal for a refund, both petty much told me to buzz off. Fortunately I had purchased via paypal on my credit card, and the credit card company (bank of america) came through and refunded my money with no hassle.

You would go for it for $57???  I assume you mean for someone NOT in the SFla area who has actual access to purchase one in person for less?

Oh, buyer protection on Ebay...hahahaha  Ebay has gone downhil in the past couple of years as far as any type of protection.  If the seller did not want to refund, trying to prove it to ebay or paypal would be tough...


...and from his Tebow description (with that same white tag in the picture):  "For sale is this Tebow mango plant, designed by the University of Florida, and named for the famous quarterback."

[cuban007]

FYI guys,  there is no buyer protection on plants. That is what I was told after I filed a claim and was denied based on the previously mentioned. And just like Jeff, the bank took care of it.

[natsgarden123]

I have sold some antiques on Ebay so I sympathize with the sellers. Its true that the foreign seller cant be trusted ( I learned this with some adeniums) but this guy is in the US. I am going to message the guy and ask what's up with the trees.  He probably uses a generic photo.

[natsgarden123]

The seller says that the photo is a stock photo and that the coconut zest tree has a zills tag.    I invited him to the forum 

Nat

[bsbullie]

The seller says that the photo is a stock photo and that the coconut zest tree has a zills tag.    I invited him to the forum 

Nat

Congratulations...it appears as if you have just crossed two of the newest, loved mango varieties to create a new one.  Since I have trouble believing this, I, on Cookie Man's and the rest of the mango crew, are going to have to ask you to turn in your tropical fruit card and step away from the forum...

[CooperBotanicals]

I'm happy to see some of my plants get so much attention!

It is a coconut cream, grown in a 3 gallon pot. As Nat mentioned, I used a Tebow as a stock photo, and will replace it with an actual one when I have time.

To pj, yes, I sell the dwarf Malayans for no reserve. Sometimes people from outside of South Florida don't understand that they are EXTREMELY common and grow like weeds for us. I have about 300 in stock.

[BMc]

The seller says that the photo is a stock photo and that the coconut zest tree has a zills tag.    I invited him to the forum 

Nat

Congratulations...it appears as if you have just crossed two of the newest, loved mango varieties to create a new one.  Since I have trouble believing this, I, on Cookie Man's and the rest of the mango crew, are going to have to ask you to turn in your tropical fruit card and step away from the forum...

Coconut Zest doesnt sound very appealing. Woody and fibrous are not things that should come to mind when thinking about mango.

[bsbullie]

I'm happy to see some of my plants get so much attention!

It is a coconut cream, grown in a 3 gallon pot. As Nat mentioned, I used a Tebow as a stock photo, and will replace it with an actual one when I have time.

To pj, yes, I sell the dwarf Malayans for no reserve. Sometimes people from outside of South Florida don't understand that they are EXTREMELY common and grow like weeds for us. I have about 300 in stock.

To clarify, by your dwarf malayan, you mean the ones that fruit at a young age and low height but will ultimately reach 15-20 feet?  I say that as opposed to the true dwarf coconut that only reaches about 10 feet in height max...

[murahilin]

I dont know if I can trust a guy that claims to sell dwarf Malayan coconut trees http://www.ebay.com/itm/261055075763 for under thirty dollars.. Sounds like a set up for failure! But who knows.. Maybe its right! I got a great deal on a Maha Chanok from Thailand on eBay, this year it produced for the first time... They looked like Nam Doc Mai.. Buyer Beware!

I think you're mixing up the Dwarf Malayan with Samoan/Fiji Dwarfs. The Dwarf Malayans can be bought all over S FL in 3g's for $15 and under while the Samoan/Fiji Dwarf can be bought for about $40 in Homestead in a 3g.

[Tropicalgrower89]

The seller says that the photo is a stock photo and that the coconut zest tree has a zills tag.    I invited him to the forum 

Nat

Congratulations...it appears as if you have just crossed two of the newest, loved mango varieties to create a new one.  Since I have trouble believing this, I, on Cookie Man's and the rest of the mango crew, are going to have to ask you to turn in your tropical fruit card and step away from the forum...

Coconut Zest doesnt sound very appealing. Woody and fibrous are not things that should come to mind when thinking about mango.

Lemon Cream sounds better. 

[murahilin]

I'm happy to see some of my plants get so much attention!

It is a coconut cream, grown in a 3 gallon pot. As Nat mentioned, I used a Tebow as a stock photo, and will replace it with an actual one when I have time.

To pj, yes, I sell the dwarf Malayans for no reserve. Sometimes people from outside of South Florida don't understand that they are EXTREMELY common and grow like weeds for us. I have about 300 in stock.

To clarify, by your dwarf malayan, you mean the ones that fruit at a young age and low height but will ultimately reach 15-20 feet?  I say that as opposed to the true dwarf coconut that only reaches about 10 feet in height max...

Rob, By Dwarf Malayan he means Dwarf Malayan. 
Dwarf Malayan is usually considered a semi-dwarf tree as a opposed to the Fiji/Samoan Dwarf which is considered more of a true dwarf. While the Malayan will be about 18ft after 30 years, the Fiji will only be about 12ft. The problem with growing the Fiji dwarf for sale is that it is open pollinated so you will often get non dwarf trees. The Malayan is supposed to not be open pollinated so it is easier to maintain the semi-dwarf characteristic in the seedlings because around 90% of the seeds are the result of self pollination.

[bsbullie]

I'm happy to see some of my plants get so much attention!

It is a coconut cream, grown in a 3 gallon pot. As Nat mentioned, I used a Tebow as a stock photo, and will replace it with an actual one when I have time.

To pj, yes, I sell the dwarf Malayans for no reserve. Sometimes people from outside of South Florida don't understand that they are EXTREMELY common and grow like weeds for us. I have about 300 in stock.

To clarify, by your dwarf malayan, you mean the ones that fruit at a young age and low height but will ultimately reach 15-20 feet?  I say that as opposed to the true dwarf coconut that only reaches about 10 feet in height max...

Rob, By Dwarf Malayan he means Dwarf Malayan. 
Dwarf Malayan is usually considered a semi-dwarf tree as a opposed to the Fiji/Samoan Dwarf which is considered more of a true dwarf. While the Malayan will be about 18ft after 30 years, the Fiji will only be about 12ft. The problem with growing the Fiji dwarf for sale is that it is open pollinated so you will often get non dwarf trees. The Malayan is supposed to not be open pollinated so it is easier to maintain the semi-dwarf characteristic in the seedlings because around 90% of the seeds are the result of self pollination.

That is what I figured.  I knew the jist of your explanation just not some of the specifics...thanks.

[adiel]

I'm happy to see some of my plants get so much attention!

It is a coconut cream, grown in a 3 gallon pot. As Nat mentioned, I used a Tebow as a stock photo, and will replace it with an actual one when I have time.

To pj, yes, I sell the dwarf Malayans for no reserve. Sometimes people from outside of South Florida don't understand that they are EXTREMELY common and grow like weeds for us. I have about 300 in stock.

To clarify, by your dwarf malayan, you mean the ones that fruit at a young age and low height but will ultimately reach 15-20 feet?  I say that as opposed to the true dwarf coconut that only reaches about 10 feet in height max...

Rob, By Dwarf Malayan he means Dwarf Malayan. 
Dwarf Malayan is usually considered a semi-dwarf tree as a opposed to the Fiji/Samoan Dwarf which is considered more of a true dwarf. While the Malayan will be about 18ft after 30 years, the Fiji will only be about 12ft. The problem with growing the Fiji dwarf for sale is that it is open pollinated so you will often get non dwarf trees. The Malayan is supposed to not be open pollinated so it is easier to maintain the semi-dwarf characteristic in the seedlings because around 90% of the seeds are the result of self pollination.

Good info Sheehan.  So there is actually the probability of purchasing a Fiji dwarf that will not be dwarf? 

[murahilin]

Good info Sheehan.  So there is actually the probability of purchasing a Fiji dwarf that will not be dwarf? 

Yup. You have to make sure the person who is selling the tree has the trees somewhat isolated and knows what they are doing. Also the color of the mother tree as compared to the seedlings often tells if the tree was selfed or crossed.

The only place I would buy a Fiji Dwarf from in South Florida is Romney Farms. http://romneyfarms.angelfire.com/index.html
I think they are still in business.

[anaxel]

hi all,thank all,
I ask myself the question, if the coconut cream mango tree, which he sells on ebay will conform to the true copy with a rootstock tebow? or it will have a different flavor?

je me pose la question,à savoir ,si  le coconut cream  mango tree,  qu'il vend sur ebay sera  conforme à la vrai copie avec un porte greffe tebow?  ou il aura  une autre saveur?

[natsgarden123]

The seller says that the photo is a stock photo and that the coconut zest tree has a zills tag.    I invited him to the forum 

Nat

Congratulations...it appears as if you have just crossed two of the newest, loved mango varieties to create a new one.  Since I have trouble believing this, I, on Cookie Man's and the rest of the mango crew, are going to have to ask you to turn in your tropical fruit card and step away from the forum...

OOPS....I meant Coconut Cream  - please re-instate my mango card.

The listing does seem legit.. the guy joined this forum

[samuelforest]

hi all,thank all,
I ask myself the question, if the coconut cream mango tree, which he sells on ebay will conform to the true copy with a rootstock tebow? or it will have a different flavor?

je me pose la question,à savoir ,si  le coconut cream  mango tree,  qu'il vend sur ebay sera  conforme à la vrai copie avec un porte greffe tebow?  ou il aura  une autre saveur?

You want to graft it on a tebow rootstock? If yes, it really doesn't matter the flavor will not change.

[Tim]

I believe you misunderstood CooperBotanicals.  It's a stock photo showing the Tebow variety, not Tebow as a rootstock. 
Tebow rootstock isn't possible, Tebow seedling rootstock - Yes.

hi all,thank all,
I ask myself the question, if the coconut cream mango tree, which he sells on ebay will conform to the true copy with a rootstock tebow? or it will have a different flavor?

je me pose la question,à savoir ,si  le coconut cream  mango tree,  qu'il vend sur ebay sera  conforme à la vrai copie avec un porte greffe tebow?  ou il aura  une autre saveur?

You want to graft it on a tebow rootstock? If yes, it really doesn't matter the flavor will not change.

[Patrick]

I dont know if I can trust a guy that claims to sell dwarf Malayan coconut trees http://www.ebay.com/itm/261055075763 for under thirty dollars.. Sounds like a set up for failure! But who knows.. Maybe its right! I got a great deal on a Maha Chanok from Thailand on eBay, this year it produced for the first time... They looked like Nam Doc Mai.. Buyer Beware!

I think you're mixing up the Dwarf Malayan with Samoan/Fiji Dwarfs. The Dwarf Malayans can be bought all over S FL in 3g's for $15 and under while the Samoan/Fiji Dwarf can be bought for about $40 in Homestead in a 3g.

Thats what I was thinking, I mixed the two up.. Sorry Cooper! From your responses you sound like you are more informed that it originally appeared! Now fix those ads!!

[fruitlovers]

Good info Sheehan.  So there is actually the probability of purchasing a Fiji dwarf that will not be dwarf? 

Yup. You have to make sure the person who is selling the tree has the trees somewhat isolated and knows what they are doing. Also the color of the mother tree as compared to the seedlings often tells if the tree was selfed or crossed.

The only place I would buy a Fiji Dwarf from in South Florida is Romney Farms. http://romneyfarms.angelfire.com/index.html
I think they are still in business.

Sheehan is right in saying the Samoan dwarf coconut trees cross very easily. He is wrong in saying they have to be somewhat isolated. They need to be totally isolated. 1/4 mile from any other coconut would be ideal.

[anaxel]

hi all,

samuelforest, I mean the result between haden as rootstock (not the tebow) and coconut cream in grafts, the result will he taste the CC or haden, knowing that parents are CC (EDWARD relative : haden and caraboa and GARY? Parent: carrie and pettigrew) or the mixture will be bitter, fibrous or simply possible (for the Genetic)? .


hi all,

samuelforest, je parle du résultat entre le haden comme porte greffe (non pas le tebow) et le coconut cream en greffons ,le fruit aura-t-il le goût du CC ou haden,sachant que les parents du CC sont le (EDWARD parent: haden et caraboa et le GARY? parent:carrie et pettigrew)ou le melange sera amère et fibreux ou tout simplement possible (vue le génétic)?.

I believe you misunderstood CooperBotanicals.  It's a stock photo showing the Tebow variety, not Tebow as a rootstock. 
Tebow rootstock isn't possible, Tebow seedling rootstock - Yes.

hi all,thank all,
I ask myself the question, if the coconut cream mango tree, which he sells on ebay will conform to the true copy with a rootstock tebow? or it will have a different flavor?

je me pose la question,à savoir ,si  le coconut cream  mango tree,  qu'il vend sur ebay sera  conforme à la vrai copie avec un porte greffe tebow?  ou il aura  une autre saveur?

You want to graft it on a tebow rootstock? If yes, it really doesn't matter the flavor will not change.

TIM hi, oops! sorry this is a rootstock haden, because the photo is a tebow as you write and it remains as PROVISIONAL CooperBotanicals wrote in his response, the photo is not for sale but a coconut cream grafted onto a rootstock haden, if I'm not mistaken!.  


hi TIM,oops! :-[désolé c'est un porte greffe haden, parce que la photo,est un tebow comme vous l'avez écris et elle reste  provisoir comme l'a écrit CooperBotanicals dans sa réponse,la photo n'est pas  la vente ,mais un coconut cream greffé sur un porte greffe haden,si je ne me trompe pas!.  

[bsbullie]

OK, I think you guys are now confusing yourselves and making things way over complicated here.  I am addressing this in general to apply to everyone...

...if you are using scions/budwood from a true grafted Coco Cream, it doesn't matter what the rootstock is you are grafting (whether seedling graft or topworking a mature tree) it to, if the graft takes the result will be a Coco Cream.  It is POSSIBLE, not definite but POSSIBLE, that by grafting onto different rootstock could have an effect on the growth habit, vigor, disease resistance, etc. of the tree but when all said and done, your tree will be a Coco Cream.

[anaxel]

me, I understand, things are in order for the coconut cream mango tree.
thank you very much to all and you also for your clarity bsbullie.
on what rootstock, usually coconut cream is it grafted, in nurseries? (turpentine? or other?)

moi ,j'ai compris,les choses sont  dans l'ordre pour le coconut cream mango tree.
merci beaucoup a tous et vous aussi pour votre clarté bsbullie.
sur quel porte greffe, habituellement le coconut cream est il greffé,dans les pépinières? (turpentine?ou autre?)

[samuelforest]

Usually turpentine.

[anaxel]

thank you samuelforest.

[DuncanYoung]

Is it time to bring up the Young/Tebow discussion again? 

[bsbullie]

Is it time to bring up the Young/Tebow discussion again? 

no...we all know the facts. 

[bsbullie]

Usually turpentine.

curious, what makes you say that?

[Tropicdude]

Usually turpentine.

curious, what makes you say that?

My understanding is that Turpentine is the "standard" rootstock in Fla for nurseries. Salt, and cold tolerance and nematode resistance being the reasons, I believe.  also they are polyembryonic so you get consistency.

Here in the DR they use "Banilejo" which is similar looking to the Turpentine but is a favorite among the locals, very sweet, with some fiber.

I have read that Gomera-1 and one from Isreal, are superior to turpentine in trials done, for salt and cold tolerance. Gomera-3 is best for production purposes.

But really in my opinion, for backyard trees, its not all that important,  in a plantation with 10,000 trees you need consistency. and something that gives you 5% more harvest is important.