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Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« on: December 25, 2012, 02:57:27 PM »
After trying to find this species for about 3 yrs, I kept getting the same plant, B. armeniaca, mislabeled as the true Peanut butter fruit (B. argentea).

It turns out that B. argentea is much harder to find. 

After locating the real plant, I'm curious to see how it performs in FL.

I've read that these Bunchosia species (armeniaca and argentea) both come from areas that have higher elevations. I'm wondering if it might present a similar problem that the cherimoya does, where the plant grows wonderfully, but has trouble making fruits at low elevations.

I wonder why B. argentea is so obscure, especially if its a superior fruit?  The B. armeniaca isn't hard to locate, and grows well here in FL, so maybe  that's a good sign.
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 03:27:09 PM »
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/peanut.htm
Adam they are pretty common here and certainly enjoy lowland coastal conditions at 15 to 17 latitude.They also do alright to at least 32 latitude on the coast.They are tough plant and thrive on neglect.

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 04:11:35 PM »
I don't know mike,

have you ever seen B armeniaca in person?

the photo provided by daleys looks like armeniaca, not argentea.

do you have any better pics of the fruits or trees from daleys?

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 04:17:52 PM »
Yes, now I'm convinced Mike,

Daleys has this plant mislabeled as well.

It's the inferior B. armeniaca, not argentea.

I got a closer look at the picture on their label.

Yet another case where this plant has the wrong ID!
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 04:21:55 PM »
Logees selling it as well, not sure if its the same as daleys.

http://www.logees.com/Peanut-Butter-Fruit-Bunchosia-argentea/productinfo/R2137-4/
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 04:25:06 PM »
Adam I thought it looked the same as the common one.I have only seen the common B.armeniaca by the looks of it.

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 04:32:09 PM »
http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/06/olymp0/P9220609.jpg
http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/07/7/P7287026.jpg
armeniaca, fruits are more shaped like a foot ball (the elliptical shaped kind  ;D )
they are also not as hairy as the argentea fruits!

http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/05/0/0618.jpg
http://toptropicals.com/pics/garden/05/0/0621.jpg
here is the real one, the fruits are more shaped like an avocado, some what more globular.
the fruits have more of a hairy appearance up close, and the flesh to seed ratio is much better, so is the taste I hear....it doesn't have the green bean taste of armeniaca, and is sweeter.

mod edit: I had to remove the images because they were hot linked.
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 04:41:47 PM »
Logees selling it as well, not sure if its the same as daleys.

http://www.logees.com/Peanut-Butter-Fruit-Bunchosia-argentea/productinfo/R2137-4/


Null,

thanks for posting!

Logees has the wrong one!

We can file a class action law suit, and get the money back for our plants!!

They are falsely advertising!

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but seriously, what if you bought 100 plants from them, to start your own farm?? and you got the wrong plant??  ;D
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 04:55:45 PM »
Logees selling it as well, not sure if its the same as daleys.

http://www.logees.com/Peanut-Butter-Fruit-Bunchosia-argentea/productinfo/R2137-4/


Null,

thanks for posting!

Logees has the wrong one!

We can file a class action law suit, and get the money back for our plants!!

They are falsely advertising!

 ;D ;D
but seriously, what if you bought 100 plants from them, to start your own farm?? and you got the wrong plant??  ;D


That would be really crappy for the buyer!
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2012, 07:11:12 PM »
I think there is also a difference in the leaves , I will check tomorrow and take pics of both leaves .
I got cuttings from the argentea years ago , did not make it . Now growing from seeds ( Israel ) doing well and hoping it is the agentea....
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2012, 07:54:13 PM »
yes Luc,

the b argentea has a much stiffer, card board like leaf, that's usually more oval shaped, and less lance shaped.

also, armeniaca  has impressed secondary nerves on the underside of the leaf, whereas the secondary nerves of argentea are much less prominent.
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2012, 10:02:21 PM »
Armeniaca is everywhere here, mostly labelled as argentea. They are a good novelty fruit and an 'improved' version would still be just a novelty fruit. Lorenzi spelt it wrong at least once in the blue book. Leaves on the common one are pointier and from what I've seen the plant is more attractive than true argentea.

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2012, 11:42:39 PM »
Not sure which Bunchosia it is, but the one at the Tenom Horticultural Park is fruiting well at 5 degrees latitude and 200m elevation.

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2012, 12:37:25 AM »
After trying to find this species for about 3 yrs, I kept getting the same plant, B. armeniaca, mislabeled as the true Peanut butter fruit (B. argentea).

It turns out that B. argentea is much harder to find. 

After locating the real plant, I'm curious to see how it performs in FL.

I've read that these Bunchosia species (armeniaca and argentea) both come from areas that have higher elevations. I'm wondering if it might present a similar problem that the cherimoya does, where the plant grows wonderfully, but has trouble making fruits at low elevations.

I wonder why B. argentea is so obscure, especially if its a superior fruit?  The B. armeniaca isn't hard to locate, and grows well here in FL, so maybe  that's a good sign.

Adam, both armeniaca and argentea flower and fruit fine in lowland tropics. I think it is much more of a problem to get them to fruit in places like California. These 2 species were confused together for a long time and practically every single nursery, including mine, had armeniaca mislabeled as argentea. It wasn't until Lorenzi's blue book that this misidentification came clearly to light...though many nurseries still continue to mislabel it. Why the argentea is so hard to get? My guess would be that the armeniaca was the species originally introduced long ago by USDA experimental stations and that they were the ones to originally mislabel it, so that is the one widely distributed and misidentified. To get the real argentea have to go back to the source country, i believe Venezuela, maybe Venezuela/Brazil border?
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 11:58:18 AM »
I think I am lucky to have seedlings of both! Hoping they will fruit in a couple of years as I believe they normally fruit in 3 years!

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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2012, 12:37:43 PM »
After trying to find this species for about 3 yrs, I kept getting the same plant, B. armeniaca, mislabeled as the true Peanut butter fruit (B. argentea).

It turns out that B. argentea is much harder to find. 

After locating the real plant, I'm curious to see how it performs in FL.

I've read that these Bunchosia species (armeniaca and argentea) both come from areas that have higher elevations. I'm wondering if it might present a similar problem that the cherimoya does, where the plant grows wonderfully, but has trouble making fruits at low elevations.

I wonder why B. argentea is so obscure, especially if its a superior fruit?  The B. armeniaca isn't hard to locate, and grows well here in FL, so maybe  that's a good sign.

Adam, both armeniaca and argentea flower and fruit fine in lowland tropics. I think it is much more of a problem to get them to fruit in places like California. These 2 species were confused together for a long time and practically every single nursery, including mine, had armeniaca mislabeled as argentea. It wasn't until Lorenzi's blue book that this misidentification came clearly to light...though many nurseries still continue to mislabel it. Why the argentea is so hard to get? My guess would be that the armeniaca was the species originally introduced long ago by USDA experimental stations and that they were the ones to originally mislabel it, so that is the one widely distributed and misidentified. To get the real argentea have to go back to the source country, i believe Venezuela, maybe Venezuela/Brazil border?
Oscar, do you know which one Frankie has growing at his place?

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2012, 12:43:14 PM »
After trying to find this species for about 3 yrs, I kept getting the same plant, B. armeniaca, mislabeled as the true Peanut butter fruit (B. argentea).

It turns out that B. argentea is much harder to find. 

After locating the real plant, I'm curious to see how it performs in FL.

I've read that these Bunchosia species (armeniaca and argentea) both come from areas that have higher elevations. I'm wondering if it might present a similar problem that the cherimoya does, where the plant grows wonderfully, but has trouble making fruits at low elevations.

I wonder why B. argentea is so obscure, especially if its a superior fruit?  The B. armeniaca isn't hard to locate, and grows well here in FL, so maybe  that's a good sign.

Adam, both armeniaca and argentea flower and fruit fine in lowland tropics. I think it is much more of a problem to get them to fruit in places like California. These 2 species were confused together for a long time and practically every single nursery, including mine, had armeniaca mislabeled as argentea. It wasn't until Lorenzi's blue book that this misidentification came clearly to light...though many nurseries still continue to mislabel it. Why the argentea is so hard to get? My guess would be that the armeniaca was the species originally introduced long ago by USDA experimental stations and that they were the ones to originally mislabel it, so that is the one widely distributed and misidentified. To get the real argentea have to go back to the source country, i believe Venezuela, maybe Venezuela/Brazil border?
Oscar, do you know which one Frankie has growing at his place?

I don't know for sure, but would guess that it's really armeniaca and not argentea. I got my original starts from him, and at that time they were really armeniaca.
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 12:48:25 PM »
I think I am lucky to have seedlings of both! Hoping they will fruit in a couple of years as I believe they normally fruit in 3 years!

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 12:52:23 PM »
thanks for the insight Oscar,

BTW, I know someone who's fruiting the real peanut butter fruit in CA.
Right next to cherimoyas.

I'm really going to be surprised if this tree fruits with no problem in FL, and if it's much better than the B. armeniaca.

All of this time, and no one in USA seems to have it??

Strange.

If this tree is much better, and fruits well in my area, it will be very encouraging, as a person who is trying to collect and popularize new fruit trees.

After trying to find this species for about 3 yrs, I kept getting the same plant, B. armeniaca, mislabeled as the true Peanut butter fruit (B. argentea).

It turns out that B. argentea is much harder to find. 

After locating the real plant, I'm curious to see how it performs in FL.

I've read that these Bunchosia species (armeniaca and argentea) both come from areas that have higher elevations. I'm wondering if it might present a similar problem that the cherimoya does, where the plant grows wonderfully, but has trouble making fruits at low elevations.

I wonder why B. argentea is so obscure, especially if its a superior fruit?  The B. armeniaca isn't hard to locate, and grows well here in FL, so maybe  that's a good sign.

Adam, both armeniaca and argentea flower and fruit fine in lowland tropics. I think it is much more of a problem to get them to fruit in places like California. These 2 species were confused together for a long time and practically every single nursery, including mine, had armeniaca mislabeled as argentea. It wasn't until Lorenzi's blue book that this misidentification came clearly to light...though many nurseries still continue to mislabel it. Why the argentea is so hard to get? My guess would be that the armeniaca was the species originally introduced long ago by USDA experimental stations and that they were the ones to originally mislabel it, so that is the one widely distributed and misidentified. To get the real argentea have to go back to the source country, i believe Venezuela, maybe Venezuela/Brazil border?
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 02:21:00 PM »
Hi,
I got two handsome seedlings of armeniaca...they look awesome and will hopefully be planted this spring 8)

Here's a vid of argentea from Daleys :)

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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 03:14:38 PM »
Steven,

I like to eat B armeniaca early, when they are full sized , firm and orange.

They taste less like green beans at this stage, and more like a very good carrot (maybe a peanut butter carrot?  ;D )

the only problem is that the seed is very large, and the flesh is a bit difficult to eat, without cutting the fruit in half (damaging the seed), or grating it off like cheese.

I scrape the flesh of the fruit off with my two front teeth, something like a rodent.
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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2012, 04:28:18 PM »
Hey adam where did you find the plant?? you've convinced me I need one lol
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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2012, 04:52:11 PM »
Let me ask my "plant acquisitions consultant", he might remember where I finally sourced this one. 

It's a shame, :-[  but I've been relying on all of my assistants to source the more difficult species to locate.

My consultant is on vacation now, so it may take some time to get an answer!  ;D





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Re: Bunchosia argentea (peanut butter fruit) the real one
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2012, 07:04:39 PM »
Adam,  have you tasted the real one yet?    How does it compare to Jif?   (Cuz I'm a choosy mother)

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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2012, 07:29:19 PM »
Adam,  have you tasted the real one yet?    How does it compare to Jif?   (Cuz I'm a choosy mother)

never tasted it, but I'd imagine it's much like armeniaca, (which I've tasted)

it's just sweeter and has a better pulp seed ratio.

maybe it has less of a green bean taste?

that is one of my complaints about armeniaca, but I still eat some when I'm around the tree (especially early fruits, still firm)

the texture will definitely remind you of jiffy, but the taste will be unique, and sweet!

probably much like the chocolate pudding fruit, some people will never taste chocolate!  I'm sure this is true for pb fruits.

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