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First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« on: June 21, 2013, 06:55:32 AM »
Both my Kai and Mayong Chid flowered again this month, but only the Mayong Chid held the fruits to maturity. It made about 9 fruits. The trees are about 8 years old. It fruited only on one side of the tree.





The Mayong chid fruits are very nice tasting. To me they taste like a mango-plum cross. I gave some to a friend who thought they tasted like persimmon-loquat. We ate them skin and all. The skin is a little bit tart and the fruit is nice and sweet and very juicy. I think this fruit would have wide appeal and commercial potential if trees could be made productive.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 07:05:04 AM by fruitlovers »
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 08:14:06 AM »
Is the slow growth possibly a regional/conditional thing or is this just the case with Maprang...I imagine your tree is grafted? Is it On Maprang rootstock...also are the seeds poly?

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 08:31:52 AM »
Very nice photos - thanks for sharing Oscar, and the fruits looks delicious.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 08:35:41 AM »
Those are beautiful and sound delicious!
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 09:00:55 AM »
They do look delicious. 

Oscar, do the think the lack of fruit is due to the trees being young, or the climate?
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 10:00:38 AM »
Very nice looking.  This is my mother-in-law's favorite plant.  When the tree is loaded with fruit, it looks like it was decorated for Easter.  Too bad I always miss out on the season.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 10:08:04 AM »
Congrats Oscar.  Great pics as usual. Nice healthy looking tree too.  Love the purple seeds on these!

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 10:31:05 AM »
These fruits look absolutely delicious. Mine is about 3 years old, so I may have a while to go before I see any fruits.

Congratulations, Oscar!
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 10:32:35 AM »
Oscar is selling the seed I just got some from him .To use for rootstock. The Kai he has ,he said was a sweet one. I just tasted the fruit ,mango- plum flavor. Zill had a few fruit but was  keeping the seed. That is were I tasted the fruit.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 10:44:16 AM »
great pics!  congrats!

Thanks for sharing!!  We gotta get some of scions grafted in FL!
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 10:54:07 AM »
Wow, fruits look wonderful, I need to go out and kick my tree into gear.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 12:23:48 PM »
wow the tree and fruit look flawless, no signs of disease at all. Im guessing its a just a slow growing tree, compared to mango?

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2013, 12:47:19 PM »
Congrats Oscar. Beautiful fruit and a real nice compact tree.

What's the cold tolerance on them? 28/30?

Thanks for the review and pics... :)

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2013, 01:07:32 PM »
Those look tasty. I wish I had room for more trees.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2013, 01:31:04 PM »
Hi Oscar
Amazing pics! Can we grow these in SoCal?

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2013, 01:55:28 PM »
Beautiful fruit & tree.  I assume these are a little more tolerant of wet than mango (M indica)?

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2013, 02:24:35 PM »
sooooo..... mango-like Oscar....and gorgeous-looking,
and apparently tasting, too!

thanks for posting - always wondered what they
looked and tasted like - really a beautiful tree!!!!!



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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2013, 04:54:39 PM »
It looks nice and healthy with lovely unblemished fruit. The maprangs are in flower here at the moment. The last month of spring and first month of summer is when they are harvested in Thailand and that corresponds with here also. The first season of fruiting is often light followed by much heavier production in subsequent years. I find the taste improved if they are really mature and even if kept for a while off the tree.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2013, 05:41:04 PM »
Oscar is selling the seed I just got some from him .To use for rootstock. The Kai he has ,he said was a sweet one. I just tasted the fruit ,mango- plum flavor. Zill had a few fruit but was  keeping the seed. That is were I tasted the fruit.

BTW Mike, mailed you some Kai scion wood yesterday.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2013, 05:44:24 PM »
It looks nice and healthy with lovely unblemished fruit. The maprangs are in flower here at the moment. The last month of spring and first month of summer is when they are harvested in Thailand and that corresponds with here also. The first season of fruiting is often light followed by much heavier production in subsequent years. I find the taste improved if they are really mature and even if kept for a while off the tree.

I was wondering if the fruits were really fully mature. i kept some aside to try some indoor ripening so will get to see if flavor is even further improved.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2013, 05:46:22 PM »
Is the slow growth possibly a regional/conditional thing or is this just the case with Maprang...I imagine your tree is grafted? Is it On Maprang rootstock...also are the seeds poly?

Yes grafted. Probably on maprang. Got the from Frankies. Slow growth is not regional. It's a lot slower growing than mango, though eventually can become a very large tree.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2013, 05:48:40 PM »
They do look delicious. 

Oscar, do the think the lack of fruit is due to the trees being young, or the climate?

I think it's just because the trees are still young and this is the first fruiting. Or that's what i'm hoping! Will let you know next June.  ;)
BTW both trees flowered last year but didn't hold fruits.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2013, 05:50:46 PM »
Very nice looking.  This is my mother-in-law's favorite plant.  When the tree is loaded with fruit, it looks like it was decorated for Easter.  Too bad I always miss out on the season.

Yeah, i never get to taste them in Thailand either because who wants to go there in March? I did get to taste them once before here because they have a couple trees here at the experimental station. So i knew it was possible to fruit them here.  8)
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2013, 05:53:43 PM »
Congrats Oscar. Beautiful fruit and a real nice compact tree.

What's the cold tolerance on them? 28/30?

Thanks for the review and pics... :)

According to the CRFG cultural data sheet their kill temperature is 30F (-1.5C).
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2013, 05:55:20 PM »
Hi Oscar
Amazing pics! Can we grow these in SoCal?

Should be tried. I think they will be trickier to get to fruit than mangos. Might be good to put them on mango rootstock? Would all be experimental.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2013, 05:56:18 PM »
Beautiful fruit & tree.  I assume these are a little more tolerant of wet than mango (M indica)?

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Unlike my mango trees, these trees are totally free of anthracnose, at least so far.....
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2013, 06:02:56 PM »
Hi Oscar
Amazing pics! Can we grow these in SoCal?

Should be tried. I think they will be trickier to get to fruit than mangos. Might be good to put them on mango rootstock? Would all be experimental.


That's exactly what I will be doing, Oscar, when your scions get here. I will also try a cocktail with a Carrie in container.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2013, 06:24:26 PM »
Oscar they color up prior to full ripeness with mayong chid so it is good to leave them on the tree a bit longer than the color would have you believe. The skin thins a bit as well and off the tree they can wrinkle a bit when they are at a good stage to eat.

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« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2015, 10:38:25 PM »
Oscar, did your maprang fruit the past 2 years?
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2015, 12:51:00 AM »
Oscar, did your maprang fruit the past 2 years?
Yes, but only very lightly.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2015, 07:36:20 AM »
The good thai types need a dry winter with a drop in temperature to below say 14c on a few occasions at least to produce heavily.They are heavy croppers here with fruit spotting bugs the thing that reduces yields.

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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2015, 07:39:15 AM »
The good thai types need a dry winter with a drop in temperature to below say 14c on a few occasions at least to produce heavily.They are heavy croppers here with fruit spotting bugs the thing that reduces yields.

Seems like Maprang would do well here, as that describes our "normal" winter to a T. 
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2015, 07:46:57 AM »
They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2015, 08:35:00 AM »
They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.

Thanks, Mike.  The tree I have seen, and the stuff I have read/heard seems to point to problems with weak roots.  It supposedly can be grafted onto mango, but all attempts that I know of have failed.  Hopefully, people are still working on solving it--they are beautiful fruit and sound delicious!
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2015, 08:35:53 AM »
Mike T, what is your personal preference in terms of variety (Kai, Mayong Chid, etc)
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2015, 08:42:21 AM »
I don't know what Kai really is but think it could be a type of wan.I like the big wan types because they are the sweetest but the larger mayon chid lines are good and have more tang.People seem divided on which is better of these.Ones not from Thailand originally are too sour.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2015, 08:59:57 AM »
They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.

Thanks, Mike.  The tree I have seen, and the stuff I have read/heard seems to point to problems with weak roots.  It supposedly can be grafted onto mango, but all attempts that I know of have failed.  Hopefully, people are still working on solving it--they are beautiful fruit and sound delicious!

I question the true ability of being able to be grafted onto M. indica (or there is a trick that is not made "public").  I wont say where but I have seen beautiful thriving and fruiting specimens in Palm Beach County.   Unfortunately they sre seedlings and fruit quality was not what i would say is a must have.  Hopefully the ones Mike describes are of much better eating quality.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2015, 09:11:59 AM »
They won't enjoy temps that go down to freezing or close to it but I think they have more cold tolerance than what coom on beliefs suggest.They are very much like small mango trees in appearance and fruit ripen before the first mangoes do,which is the end of spring here.I have sent seeds to Florida before and don't know if any are going ok.

Thanks, Mike.  The tree I have seen, and the stuff I have read/heard seems to point to problems with weak roots.  It supposedly can be grafted onto mango, but all attempts that I know of have failed.  Hopefully, people are still working on solving it--they are beautiful fruit and sound delicious!

I question the true ability of being able to be grafted onto M. indica (or there is a trick that is not made "public").  I wont say where but I have seen beautiful thriving and fruiting specimens in Palm Beach County.   Unfortunately they sre seedlings and fruit quality was not what i would say is a must have.  Hopefully the ones Mike describes are of much better eating quality.

Have you heard anything about how excaliburs grafts are doing? So far the tree seems easy to grow in the ground for me. I still have only gotten one lone fruit from my tree but it's only 6ft tall. Grows painfully slow though. I am kind of wondering if it is just permanently stunted from the bare rooting and shipping years ago.
I have had no luck trying to graft onto mango stock. Even approach grafts failed. I'm going to try a couple airlayers this spring.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2015, 09:34:59 AM »
The ones at Excalibur that Sheehan spoke of have only been potted up from their bare root trip over from Thailand for about a month or so. 

As to the fruiting trees i spoke of, they a re not very tall, maybe 7 feet but very well branched and bushy.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2015, 01:36:20 PM »
As far as varietal names go, the different flavor profiles and such, and size...several sources said that for the most part, there is the one they call mayong chid, which has the sweet/little sour flavor that most people prefer.  The other they call just maprang.  It is smaller than mayong chid and basically just sweet.  Then people started jumping on the variety name bandwagon...Kai, Wan...and now there are even more.  They started giving names after their own, a province, a farm.  Some claim this or that, but they are basically the same trees producing the same fruit.  So, according to many of the folks who grow and sell them for a living, if it is not a mayong chid, its a maprang.  I brought home 3 of each and unfortunately lost all 3 maprangs.

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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2015, 03:27:47 PM »
The thai trinomial system means the location they come from often gets put on the end.They are all maprang then the second name is sour,sour to sweet when ripe or sweet. Sour,mayon chid and Wan are the 3 classes not varieties as there is variation within each of these 3 classes.They call the whole lot maprang.
One of mine is maprang Wan ubon.Some Wan lines can be well over 100g so can't be differentiated from mayon chid by size.As both Wan and mayon chid can vary in shape,colour and size you can't tell them apart by appearance just taste.

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Maprang (Bouea macrophylla) Bumper Crop 2017
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2017, 05:02:13 AM »
After 4 years of fruiting the trees, both Kai and Mayong Chid maprangs, finally get into heavy gear with a heavy cropings.
Kai Tree:





Mayong Chid Tree:



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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2017, 03:09:16 PM »
Oscar et al: How to you prune your maprangs: do you tip-prune your young maprangs like you would a young mango to encourage more tips forming? or have you just let it grow naturally? it seems slower growing than mango and less vigorous, but it also seems to branch more naturally, so I'm hesitant to start cutting the tips of mine even though they're about 4ft tall. Thanks. F.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2017, 04:29:07 PM »
They're slow till they get 5-6 feet tall, but then really take off. You can prune them same way as mango once they take off.
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Re: First Fruiting and Tasting of Maprang (Bouea macrophylla)
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2017, 05:19:49 PM »
The trees look wonderful and very healthy.  Incredible.

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« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2017, 12:20:09 PM »
They're slow till they get 5-6 feet tall, but then really take off. You can prune them same way as mango once they take off.

Thanks that's very helpful!
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