Author Topic: Persimmon thread (Read 21522 times)

darkcoolboo · « **on:** February 20, 2015, 12:49:37 AM »

Sorry guys, had to start it!

goosteen · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2015, 01:45:08 AM »

Quote from: darkcoolboo on February 20, 2015, 12:49:37 AM

Sorry guys, had to start it!

I've got 3 varieties, coffee cake, chocolate, and fuyu. All small trees in the same hole, 12 inches apart in a triangle. Not sure how this is going to work out because it's only been a year and they are slow to root in.

rliou · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:28:36 AM »

Have a fuyu. They are very slow growing the two years i have them but they did give me fruit the second year in ground. I was told that they will take off in the third year in ground so we will see this year. I will probably graft other varieties on it at some point

fyliu · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2015, 03:58:03 AM »

I have fuyu with tamopan and honan road grafts.
Tamopan is a large fruit that looks like a hamburger. Astringent though.
I never ate a fruit off the tree. The rodents always get them.

TriangleJohn · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2015, 09:20:36 AM »

I have both Asian and American growing in my orchard. The natives are pretty young but I have eaten a few fruits from them - Meader, Prok and Morris Burton (best flavor so far). The Meader seems to be grafted onto some sort of dwarfing rootstock because I never have to prune it and it naturally grows in a perfect lollipop shape about 6-8 feet tall. The only complaint I have about it is that the fruit often has black streaks in the flesh. I've been told that this is normal and not damage or some sort of disease. For Asians I have two Fuyu's, one older and one younger, both produce fruit and some years they produce a lot of fruit. They struggled a bit with last winter's super cold weather so I worry that I may lose them this year (it was 3 degrees this morning and we have had many days where the daytime high wasn't above freezing).

gunnar429 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2015, 09:27:12 AM »

Quote from: fyliu on February 20, 2015, 03:58:03 AM

I have fuyu with tamopan and honan road grafts.
Tamopan is a large fruit that looks like a hamburger. Astringent though.
I never ate a fruit off the tree. The rodents always get them.

astringent is not a bad thing at all. I believe they have a richer flavor than non-astringent varieties, but you have to wait until fully ripe to eat them.

edself65 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2015, 10:26:32 PM »

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/ornamentals/natives/DIOSPYROSTEXANA.HTM

gnappi · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2015, 10:47:24 PM »

Quote from: gunnar429 on February 20, 2015, 09:27:12 AM

astringent is not a bad thing at all. I believe they have a richer flavor than non-astringent varieties, but you have to wait until fully ripe to eat them.

I found that freezing them solid overnight and defrosting them and eating really cold totally eliminated the astringency.

funlul · « **Reply #8 on:** February 23, 2015, 10:41:05 PM »

Fuyu is on my wishlist! I absolutely lurve persimmon, especially the round & flat non-astringent Asian varieties.

I am yet to figure out what variety is the poor dying persimmon tree in the shady part of my yard. Got to move it and hope it survives.

darkcoolboo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 24, 2015, 11:28:39 PM »

I did a bit of research and found that 'Suruga' is the sweetest non-astringent persimmon. 'Kyung San Ban Si ' is a cold - tolerant tomato flat shaped astringent persimmon, while 'Giombo' is a conical heat tolerant astringent persimmon. Both persimmons have rated higher than Hachiya (which is pretty good on its own right) on GardenWeb. If I had to choose, I would grow Suruga and Giombo or only Giombo. If Suruga is grown by itself it is no male and seedless. Giombo is debated whether to have males, but when grown by itself, it has no seeds. If you grow both Suruga and Giombo there is a chance of seeded Suruga and seedless Giombo. Would you recommend seeded persimmons over seedless?

fyliu · « **Reply #10 on:** February 24, 2015, 11:40:23 PM »

Quote from: gnappi on February 20, 2015, 10:47:24 PM

Quote from: gunnar429 on February 20, 2015, 09:27:12 AM
astringent is not a bad thing at all. I believe they have a richer flavor than non-astringent varieties, but you have to wait until fully ripe to eat them.

I found that freezing them solid overnight and defrosting them and eating really cold totally eliminated the astringency.

A friend told me this and I finally tried it a few months ago but it's still astringent to me. I tried freezing overnight and also for several days. I didn't try eating them very cold since I can't taste cold foods very well. Counter-ripened persimmon has much better aroma and taste.

Which astringent persimmon tastes better or are they the same?

GreenTex · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2015, 10:59:07 PM »

I love Texas Persimmon and eat them when i find the trees, but as for the orange varieties i have only eaten one and it was unkown name. That one to me was a little to falvorless for me to enjoy. i hope to find more that are as uniquely sweet as Texas persimmon.

shaneatwell · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2015, 11:19:22 PM »

How does princess taste? I got some seeds from crfg.

starch · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2015, 09:54:19 AM »

I have an Izu Persimmon that I got shipped from a Florida nursery early last year. It grew like crazy all through the summer with our heat, I was very impressed. It bloomed like crazy in the spring and set about a dozen fruit. When summer hit, it dropped all the fruit but one. But because it is only a 3 ft tree right now, I went ahead and culled it because I wanted the tree to focus on growth. I like how it grows and takes the heat, and I don't have a lot of room where it is at, so this one is a naturally small tree, which is why I chose it. The taste should be similar, maybe slightly sweeter, than a Fuyu which I like very much.

Has not leafed out yet this year, but it has a huge amount of swollen buds. Based on how fast it grew last year, I am hoping to have a couple of persimmons in September!

Viking Guy · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2015, 10:28:33 AM »

Suruga is my favorite followed by the "chocolate persimmon."

I keep mine under 6 feet. The fruit starts tasting bland if the tree gets too tall. Shorter the better.

gunnar429 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2015, 02:02:55 PM »

Just picked up some persimmon trees. Ended up getting:
tamopan
saijo
gionbo
sheng
korean
hachiya

I will report back in a few years to see if any of them fruit well here in south FL. I also have hudson (south florida) and tanenashi.

Still on the lookout for triumph and winterset

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2015, 02:14:02 PM »

they're all grafted onto the native persimmon rootstock right?

I hear they're really tolerant of wet feet....

damn I need to start planting these...I have a wet spot for them.

gunnar429 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2015, 02:40:12 PM »

Quote from: ASaffron on March 08, 2015, 02:14:02 PM

they're all grafted onto the native persimmon rootstock right?

I hear they're really tolerant of wet feet....

damn I need to start planting these...I have a wet spot for them.

Yeah, grafted onto american persimmon

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2015, 02:53:20 PM »

Quote from: gunnar429 on March 08, 2015, 02:40:12 PM

Quote from: ASaffron on March 08, 2015, 02:14:02 PM
they're all grafted onto the native persimmon rootstock right?

I hear they're really tolerant of wet feet....

damn I need to start planting these...I have a wet spot for them.

Yeah, grafted onto american persimmon

ok, I need to plant out about 50-100 trees this year.

probably will get some of the "hudson", and "Tanenashi"

and whatever other astringent types I can find...maybe "Hachiya"

gunnar429 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2015, 03:00:38 PM »

definitely get a triumph if you can find one.

Tropheus76 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 09, 2015, 08:20:12 AM »

I am still looking for a chocolate here in FL, if anyone knows where to get one..... I have two Fuyu's that I am hoping will fruit this year. No buds yet but we are still cooler in C FL than you guys down south.

ben mango · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2015, 08:28:34 AM »

i bought some Sharon persimmons that were grown in Israel, they are very nice but not necessarily anything better than a good fuyu from Cali, I'm interested in all of these other varieties

Jsvand5 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2015, 08:45:57 PM »

I just noticed flowers on my sheng and giombo. No flowers on my saijo or suruga this year but they are still small.

gunnar429 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2015, 04:23:17 PM »

Nice! I just got gionbo and sheng and planted them out recently. Sheng was the first to break dormancy out of 6

darkcoolboo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2015, 07:42:40 PM »

I bought a 'Fuyu' Persimmon at my local Lowe's for $35.

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