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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits in Panama
« on: March 16, 2021, 03:36:09 AM »
When Luc visited my project he had come from Panama City and spoke highly of Summit.  He brought me some stuff from there that is didn’t have.  Luc flew to Changuinola and then crossed the land border.  I am located about 1 hour from the border but it could still be closed.  You hear different stuff.  Some people cross easily but a tourist that is not from CR or Panama might have an issue.
To come into CR you need to have an accepted health insurance valid for the period of your stay.
Peter

Thanks Peter. If I can make it into Costa Rica I'll be sure to let you know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits in Panama
« on: March 15, 2021, 07:56:05 PM »
Hello Epicatt and Finca la Isla.

Thanks for your replies.

Based on a tip from Luc I found this place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parque_Municipal_Summit    It looks promising.

If I make a side trip to Costa Rica CATIE looks like it would be worth a visit.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruits in Panama
« on: March 14, 2021, 04:11:59 AM »
Hi all.

I'm going to Panama soon.

Does anyone have any recommendations on places to visit where I can find rare fruits?

Botanical gardens. Collectors that are open to receiving visitors. Good markets. Or any other suggestions.

Cheers :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fruit related Telegram group
« on: March 14, 2021, 04:07:20 AM »
Hi all.

I have a fruit related group chat on Telegram. Now up to 20 members.

If anyone's keen to join. Send me a PM.

Cheers

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I'm pretty sure this Jackfruit is from Zills Costa Rica nursery.
If you're serious about tracking it down you could contact Zink or Zill ( only a google search away)
It looks like an amazing Jack
Good luck!

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Jackalberry tree Diospyros mespiliformis from namibia

Who is interested
Looks to be a good timber tree. Very termite resistant. Have you eaten the fruits and if so can you give a description?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diospyros_mespiliformis

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which wild Annonas have good fruit?
« on: November 09, 2019, 05:45:29 AM »
I've tried A. Crassiflora on several occasions. It's readily available at the markets in Belo Horizonte when it's in season.
The flavor is intense and has an uncanny resemblance to musk stick lollies.
Seed count is rather high. I enjoyed eating it but it's not the kind of fruit I'd want to eat too often.
Overall I'd give the fruit a 6/10

I think most of us have tried cultivated Annonas like mucosa, muricata, atemoya, cherimoya, squamosa and reticulata. Some of us have tried cultivated rarer species like ilama and soncoya and are positive. We have also argued about which are the best cultivated Annonas and routinely compared varieties.

With semi cultivated species like A,montana and scleriderma and I suppose even A.glabra the consensus seems to be that scleroderma can be pretty good but the other 2 not so much.

With such a great group of fruits not many of us can comment on the wild species and just how good quality their fruit is. Some examples are:

A.crassiflora seems to have a few fans but have any forum members really tried it and can give a good account?
A.salzmanii has positive reviews and if true might be a good one to grow for fruit.
A.cornifolia sometimes gets good reviews and may be worth growing for fruit.

My question is have forum members tried other wild Annona species and can report they have good fruit of reasonable size, flesh yield, taste or even tree productivity and can report they are well worth growing? Which ones are worth targeting by people more interested in trying novel tasty fruit rather than being a stamp collector of species?

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I am doing a presentation tonight on the Fruits Fruits of Costa Rica at the Calusa Rare Fruit Exchange in Ft Myers. Meet up at 6:30 and talk at 7pm. 

2166 Virginia Ave Fort Myers, Florida 33901



Sounds like an interesting topic. Any chance you could upload the talk to Youtube?

Cheers!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat from seed
« on: November 04, 2019, 06:20:22 AM »
I moved mine inside the greenhouse for the winter.

Hi Seawalnut.  What are the most tropical plants you're growing in Romania? That is really zone pushing at 45 degrees north!
Do you do a mix of outdoor growing and greenhouse growing?
Tropicals im keeping them in the greenhouse,guavas,somme unknown specie of inga and achacha from Costa Rica,gumuchil,sugar apples,cherimoya.
Outdoor i grow kaki,paw paws ( asimina triloba) ,american persimmons,red love apples pink, fleshed pears,wild almonds,somme walnuts that make giant nuts,cherryes ,plums,apricots,peaches ,figs ,kiwi-small cold hardy ones,paulownia-for wood,fejoa,ugni,strawberry guava and manny otthers.
Right now im still building the greenhouse heating system,its the first winter so i have small plants at the moment.


A great collection of fruits. As much as I love tropicals it's really difficult to go past a high quality Cherry or Apricot Asimina Triloba is a great choice for cool climates as it offers a tropical fruit experience in a cold climate.

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Dear Fruit Monster,

I use 3% solution for both in this country it means straight out of the bottle, in Malaysia they sell 6% so I dilute it.
There are some exceptions, e.g. T. Bicolor, it is so delicate that the 3% burns the tip of the sprout if already present. There I go with 1%

Thanks for your response! That is good information. Knowing how potent a product Hydrogen Peroxide is I presumed the seeds would be burned somehow but I'm proven wrong.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat from seed
« on: November 03, 2019, 05:00:21 AM »
I moved mine inside the greenhouse for the winter.

Hi Seawalnut.  What are the most tropical plants you're growing in Romania? That is really zone pushing at 45 degrees north!
Do you do a mix of outdoor growing and greenhouse growing?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Platonia Insignis
« on: November 03, 2019, 04:34:56 AM »
I grew a couple a few years ago and they seemed easy enough to get going.I gave them away because the get too big for my yard and apparently they are still alive but are yet to fruit.They are similar to garcinia.

I believe the ones in the video are grafted specimens and they started fruiting at a small and compact size.  The old tree shown in the video was a veritable giant of the forest. 

Fingers crossed Australia will get some Platonia Insignis fruiting at your friends house Mike.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Platonia Insignis
« on: November 03, 2019, 02:31:21 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaI0sjshvKE

A nice video showing off Platonia Insignis. It's interesting how nectar can be collected from the petals. The interviewer said the nectar tasted like honey after she tried it.
I was lucky enough to try this fruit some years ago in Pará. It is an excellent quality fruit.
 Unfortunately it has a reputation for being difficult to grow outside it's native range.  Has anyone on the forum had experiences trying to grow this wonderful fruit?


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Everything is fruiting in spring
« on: November 03, 2019, 02:19:00 AM »

Love it how you've got your Jackfruit fruiting down so low. Easy picking. With my big tree most fruits are way out of reach.
Great color on that hybrid Uvaia fruit to.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rusty's market for lunch
« on: November 01, 2019, 01:29:36 AM »
I just had a quick look around Rustys market and still the summer fruits have not quite arrived and everything is a bit pricey.









Those Star Apples look great Mike. Nice size. Beautiful colors.  The one's I've seen around Northern NSW lately in this drought without irrigation have been ripening at the size of a ping pong ball.

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Have your grove surrounded by thick canopy trees with a decent sized pond or two to provide humidity? Just an idea, not sure if it would work. I have heard here in FL that even in south FL no one has been able to get Rambutan to fruit outside of a green house. Whether that true or not I know I haven't been successful, I might try again just because having a couple isn't a major use of resources.

I want to say Adam at Flying Fox Fruit has fruiting mangosteen and he is north of me in Central Florida. You might reach out to him and see if its true and how he pulls it off.
Sounds like a good idea to try out for people living in an area without much humidity. Or even just to take the edge off strong winds/storms.

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Here in Yucatán 19 latitude north with less than 40” of rain per year it’s difficult unless they 80% shaded. Temps here range from 110f high to 65f it’s difficult to keep them from frying. I’ve loss a few mangosteen, rambutan and Durian however those under large dense canopies seem to do well.




It must be a relief you figured out a strategy to grow the ultra tropicals you want to grow in the Yucatán. Checked out your Instagram link. Amazing harvests you've been having. Congrats!

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It has ben pretty well documented in eastern Australia since the 70s what the southern limits and minimum temps tolerated for each species is. It is a whole lot more complicated than that with varieties, humidity, driest quarter and local microclimate relevant.You can grow all the equatorials as far south as Mission Beach and then they start dropping out.If your rainfall is less than 1500mm then it gets tricky as well.Places like Atlantic coast of Brazil and Oceanic islands like Hawaii there are kinds different rules than straight latitude.

Thanks for the reply Mike. There sure are a lot of variables!

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Hi Fruiters

Does anyone have much knowledge of where the limits lies in terms of latitude and humidity for successfully  growing ultra tropicals  outdoors such as Mangosteen, Rambutan, Pulasan, Bread fruit etc ?

For example Darwin, Australia should not be a problem in terms of Latitude at 12.4 degrees south but the harsh dry season means ultra tropicals get baked. Durian plantations there have not been very successful.
Somewhere like Ubatuba, Brazil mostly seems warm all year and has a lush tropical jungle backdrop but at 23.4 degrees south it might be a bit too far away from the equator?
Rio De Janerio is just a little further north of Ubatuba but the annual rainfall is only 1066.8mm. The coastal breezes there moderate the climate which may help but the annual rainfall is quite low compared to many environments where tropical fruits thrive. Any reports of Mangosteen growing successfully there?

Any ideas on how far you can push the distance from the equator and the humidity factor without having to resort to grow tents etc to grow ultra tropical fruit trees?

Cheers!

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Pataxte Theobroma bicolor

5 seeds for 15 USD

Hello. I was curious about your practice of soaking and packing in Hydrogen Peroxide.
Is this a diluted water and hydrogen peroxide that you use to soak the seeds in? Or just Hydrogen Peroxide straight from the bottle? And how about for the solution you use to pack the seeds in?
Cheers!



Cupuassu Theobroma grandiflorum

5 seeds for 15 USD



Cassabanana Sicana odorifera

10 seeds for 5 USD
The taste is similar to honeydew melon, with a bigger juicy part. The flesh is harder then melons but still softer and sweeter than pumpkin.
Can be eaten raw and used to make preserves as well as cooked as a vegetable when less ripe.
The plant is a tropical vine that grows easy and fast.


Ilama, Intense Pink Annona macroprophyllata (syn. Annona diversifolia)

5 seeds for 10 USD
The seeds offered are collected in different locations from Central America. They are categorized into four groups based on color. When you order seeds from a category you will get seeds from different fruits of the same category ensuring a more diverse fruit genetics.
The more intense the pink color the more berry taste and smell the pulp has. The white fruits tend to be sweeter and similar to cherimoya, tasting like custard. Regardless of the color they can be sweet only or sweet and slightly tart. The pulp has no grittiness.
Gives fruit in 3-4 years.


Ilama, Pink Annona macroprophyllata (syn. Annona diversifolia)

5 seeds for 10 USD



Ilama, Light Pink Annona macroprophyllata (syn. Annona diversifolia)

5 seeds for 10 USD



Ilama, White Annona macroprophyllata (syn. Annona diversifolia)

5 seeds for 10 USD



Rollinia, Biriba Annona mucosa (syn. Rollinia deliciosa)

8 seeds for 12 USD



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We clean the recalcitrant seeds well and soak them in Hydrogen Peroxide for 30 minutes. We pack them in plastic bag with moist Hydrogen Peroxide soaked polystirol to keep them from drying out and protect from physical damage.

We take good care of the seeds: find, collect, clean, pack and send them. If you have special wish on how to pack your seeds, let us know. In case your country has special custom regulations, it is your responsibility to know about that. We are not responsible for confiscated or lost seeds.
If you have a quality complaint please always provide us a photo of the package and seeds as received so we can learn and improve our methods.

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Just chop the top off and keep it short, like under 10 feet. More fruit develop down low then. Worked for me ones.
Great to see you posting again Mike.

Here is the way I trim mine--leaving big lateral branches and a skylight allowing light higher up.

Fruit six feet off the ground and on the trunk.


Nice crop you have there.

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That's a good idea but I have seen photos of large size Jackfruit trees that have the clear majority of the fruits down low so I was curious if there's a way to encourage a Jackfruit tree to do this.
It looks like this is possible!


Yes. That's exactly what i was talking about. If commercial growers could get their trees to grow like this it would save them a huge amount of pruning man hours. All they would have to do is fertilize and harvest.

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the link you talking about latexless jackfruit, is this also the same as seedless jackfruit?  Was checking out some Thai listings, seems they are advertised as the same tree, "seedless & latexless"

Or is there a latexless but seeded jackfruit?
The article didn't mention anything about the Latexless Jack being seedless. Most latexless Jacks have seeds.
I have seen photos of seedless Jackfruit from Thailand and they said it was seedless and latexless.

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Keep the tree reasonably short, and no fruits will be too far up.
That's a good idea but I have seen photos of large size Jackfruit trees that have the clear majority of the fruits down low so I was curious if there's a way to encourage a Jackfruit tree to do this.

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I've been watching a few mature trees and notice most of the fruiting spurs come out at older branch scars or at the locations where it previously sent out a fruiting spur. The trees making low fruit had spurs down low. I'm not sure that having lots of fruit on the ground is such a good idea a little higher would seem better.
If the fruits go on the ground you can put something under them so they don't rot but I see your point. The main objective is to get the fruit within easy picking height.
On mature trees it's common to see fruits 10 meters up in the air.
Perhaps there's a technique that can be used to encourage fruiting spurs to appear where wanted. Nice observation.

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