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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting papaya seeds
« on: May 21, 2018, 04:55:45 PM »
germination rate is high, basically no matter what you do.
fresher seeds are better though.

there is a small gel-sac around each seed.
some poop it, and it might germinate a little faster
but, i leave it on.
it keeps the seed from drying out.
it might prolong germination, but, i think it is healthier with the sac
(in the long run) than without it.

i would clean and dry the seeds with the sac on
and then plant ASAP after.
or, do not dry them... i havent seen a lot of difference.


the best way ive found to combat leaf miners is to give the beneficials and environment to thrive.
even if you buy some, if they dont have a place to reproduce, the numbers will be low.

tall grasses, wood-piles etc...
lots of flowering plants.
i keep milkweed growing, comfrey etc...
i rarely have a problem with leaf-miners anymore,
and when i do, its a couple of leaves, and then they are gone.

keeping the plant healthy is also helpful.
too much nitrogen causes lots of new growth and lots of areas to penetrate.
a little extra iron and magnesium causes the leaves to harden faster
making it harder to penetrate.

thanks jack
one was from seed, and there was a mistake in an order i made, so i wound up with 2 grafted plants.
variety is "Redland" from toptropicals.
You say they graft easily which is good.
i am hoping to just have 1 tree, picking the one which is growing fastest,
and graft 3-4 varieties to it (eventually)

what do you think of redlands ?
and what do you think are the best varieties ?

i like this guys videos
and he seems to like the white sapote fruit.

i will probably trade, or give one away,and maybe plant one at one of my rental homes.
i have a 3-plex with a huge backyard no one uses, i will probably start planting the extra guava,
pecan, and things i dont have room for at my home.

I differ in opinion....I have around 23 varieties of white sapote to taste test yearly.  For me, the fruit does taste like its namesake (custard apple).  White smooth flesh that looks and tastes like custard.  That is especially true if the fruit has warmed in the sun.  It is very sweet, sometimes too much so.  One variety has been described as "like caramel".  Each has their own characteristics and, of course, everyone has a different sense of taste.  I have never found a visitor who dislikes the fruit, unlike even cherimoyas.  The tree takes grafting well, is more hardy to freezes than many varieties of avocado.  The tree can become a giant and produce great quantities of fruit. As mentioned, the fruit's skin is delicate and one would probably never find a properly ripened white sapote being shipped.  Hard green ones can be shipped, but will not ripen well.

I am in New Orleans
ive actually never eaten a white sapote
though, now i have 3 small trees growing.

I am, for some reason, allergic to bananas and Kiwi.
im not allergic to any other fruit i know of, and ive tasted several subtropicals/tropicals
when i was in Peru, Costa Rica, several trips to Miami, the Keys etc...

Before i get 3 huge trees, it would be nice to know i like the fruit and am not allergic.
as far as liking it, there are very few fruits i dont like. im pretty sure that wont be an issue.
but, still nice to know the flavor.

so where can i get a small amount of fruit shipped to me
and when ??

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote, should I uproot it?
« on: May 16, 2018, 12:27:56 PM »
wouldnt you be able to tell from the leaves ?

i have white sapote, and had a black sapote, green sapote, and also Mamey sapote
all had very different type leaves.
ive never had the chico sapote/sapodilla though.

That is simply awful and the worst thing possible in Nursery Business is Mis-Labeling. You don't win by getting a discount on a mislabeled fruit you find out about years down the line wasting time and inputs on .
No one is happy receiving a Hyundai when they asked for a Honda.

Let me guess, the tree was simply labeled "Sapote" where you bought it?

There are 4 million and one fruits with "Sapote" in the name and yet people still go around calling some of them simply "Sapote" as if it's the only sapote on earth.

For the love of pete, people, stop it!

Lol, so true.  I've seen this happen on other sites and groups far too often.  It's like buying a tree labeled "Fruit"  ;)

Some nurseries lose tags through transit, customers swapping tags for discounts among other things.
So they are unable to provide an accurate ID and end up with a generalized ID.
Why not take advantage of the situation and ask for a discount due to the inaccuracy ID of the tree, quid pro quo.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Phyllanthus acidus
« on: May 16, 2018, 12:21:08 PM »
just an FYI
i planted seeds for both P Acidus, and P Emblica
and had both plants in 3 to 5 gal containers,
unprotected in New Orleans... In January we had 20F temps one night...
both plants are coming back from roots.

this is before the freeze, last year.
i dont have recent pics.

Robotics and artificial intelligence will be changing our world radically over the next 20-30 yrs.
Elon Musk and others are saying Uber and Lyft will be the only companies buying cars.
Most people will not buy a new car, since they will be driver-less,
and you will be able to rent one for 3-5$ for a ride to work.

no drivers means no employees to pay
and the cars can be on the road 24x7.

pizzas and other foods, including groceries
can be delivered by a robot-car.

your doctor will get a recommendation from an AI-DOC (artificial intelligence)
including recommending prescriptions, and will follow it %95 of the time.

Musk said we could loose over %40 of jobs
but, we still be so much more efficient and productive,
we can pay a universal basic income.

Sophia from Hanson Robotics talks with Shawn

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jabo and dragon fruit
« on: May 12, 2018, 03:24:23 PM »
the DF looks like it is a bit yellow
maybe too much water ?
or not enough magnesium ? or nitrogen ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / a couple of plants back from 20F
« on: May 12, 2018, 03:10:04 PM »
New Orleans had a once in 100yrs record breakinhg cold snap in January this year.

its taken a while to find out what is actually coming back and what is not.

it was so cold, Cattley Guavas died to the ground.

First... what was not affected at all...
Feijoa, CORG, Jujube, mulberry(red-wild), Pakistani Mulberry (grafted)
Loquat, muscadine...
(did not lose 1 leaf from the CORG)

What was not protected, yet, came back anyway....
tropical guavas in ground and in containers (lost 1 small one, at least 10 came back)
sugar cane...
Dwarf Namwah banana.
Myers Lemon (lost medium bracnches, but looking healthy now)
Blood orange (died back to graft)
finger lime from seed... container on driveway, no damage
(the cement driveway, may have kept some plants in containers a few degrees warmer?)

mango -
1 protected, grafted (1yr old) died.
1 in-ground 4yrs old - died.
1 7gal container, 2 yrs, coming back from roots.

white sapot - died to roots, coming back.
Longan - in-ground (1yr) dead.
Baobob (5yr old) dead.
Lychee - 3yrs container... coming back from roots
Parmentiera cereifera (candle tree) - back from roots
West Indian Arrowroot -back from roots
Katuk - lost 2 plants... 1 coming back from roots (planted near house)
plectranthus esculentus (African potato mint) - back from roots, unharmed.
neem (1gal container) back from roots.

1 container, back from roots
one in-ground , back from roots.


Inga in container, not protected, coming back from roots
(unknown cvariety)
Inga in-ground - semi-protected - died back to roots

Indian Jujube 2yr old in container - dead.
Indian Jujube 1yr old, in ground - coming back from roots.


Moringa - in-ground, unprotected.

died back to roots. (lost 1, 1 came back)
i think the reason it did come back, is the roots were intertwined with fig and elaeagnus

4x4x1 should be ok for a avocado tree.  If you have 8ft lumbers do that.  If you have 10 ft lumber go for 5x5x1. 

Use a heavy soil like decomposed granite if you can get it.  Or a sandy loam.  Don't use bags of compost or potting soil from the store, there's too much organic matter in it that will hold excessive moisture and rot your roots.

that sounds like it would dry out very fast.
in areas where there is high heat/sun exposure, it would dry faster.
in my raised beds i use about %25 sand (when i can), %25 compost, and the rest local soil
(which is a very fine sandy loam)
it works great. the compost dries fast enough,
 to not cause a problem rotting papaya or anything else

i guess it depends on how tall the bed is, and how often you want to water.
With a tall bed, it could take years for roots to reach deep enough

i have a CORG thats about 14 inches above grade
i have had to mulch the heck out of it,
 and still have to water in dry spells over a week in summer...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fig tree leaves yellow problem
« on: May 12, 2018, 02:01:17 PM »
first i would look at water and soil.
normally figs are pretty tolerant of too much or too little water
but if the soil is very high, or, very low in organic matter,
it could cause a PH or other problem.

i stick my finger down an inch (2-3 is better)
to get a sense of how dry the soil really is.

a mulch layer can go a long way in fig tree health.
i also add 1 teaspoon of epsom salts 3 times per year per 4-6ft tree.

hard to see, but it looks like new growht is effected most.
too much Phosphorus can cause a zinc and/or iron lockout.
too much anything can cause a lockout of other minerals.

container or in-ground ?
soil high or low in organic matter ?
well draining or no ?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Schizandra
« on: May 09, 2018, 10:38:02 AM »
Anyone know where i can get a Schizandra ?
i had ordered one from Logges last year.
it was tiny, and i baby-ed it forever
 and it finally kicked the container.

There are a couple of named varieties that will fruit by themselves
otherwise you need a male and female plant.
I am willing to get both if need be.

i founjd out from Logees that it is grown from cuttings.

i still dont know if its from a female plant, or a named variety, a plant that has herm flowers etc....
and thats still after 4 emails.

talking to Logees is like pulling teeth...
with a very small tweezer.

I am not real happy with them now, as it is.
i had gotten a Schizandra plant that  had no leaves, then eventually died.
i dont see what i could have done to kill it
but, they will not replace it.

good info here on cold tolerance
also about eating the seed...

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: seeds
« on: May 08, 2018, 12:55:17 PM »
received seeds in good order...

i still want CORG when you get some :)

Carob might be a good choice.
i have one growing in a raised bed. its very drought tolerant.
Jujube and its relatives.
there are several kinds, though the fruit is best with the Chinese and Indian types.
all are  drought tolerant, some more than others.
Ziziphus oenopolia is one

honey locust is drought tolerant.
several acacias and mimosa with edible seeds and flowers too.

there is a tall grass the puts out deep roots.

grasses and/or wildflowers could hold the soil
and have cacti, carob and jujube for fruit.

native prairie seeds...

Anyone have seed i can get ?
Raul ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fish Emulsion
« on: May 08, 2018, 10:21:07 AM »
I make my own fish emulsion by up-cycling scraps from a local fish market and fermenting it like wine/cheese. Last year I made 40 gallons. It does smell similar to fish but with a sour/sweet component and may not be acceptable in a close neighborhood but the process had virtually no smell and even vegans found the smell to be tolerable. We do have raccoons and they caused no problem.

I basically scaled up this process using a 60 gallon sealed Greek olive barrel with an airlock. Whole fish was added to a lactic acid culture with sugar, the bacteria did the rest over a few months to liquefy everything except scales and bones. So, if you want something less smelly try fish hydrolysate instead of emulsion. It is a very good amendment and made use of something otherwise thrown into the bay.

The home beer maker in me thinks this sounds like a really fun and interesting project. Unfortunately, the vegan in me still thinks it sounds gross... The organic gardener in me is often at odds with the vegan in me, because so many of the organic fertilizers are based on slaughterhouse waste, manure and the like. I was hoping that buying the ready-made fish fertilizer would make it less repulsive, but the look and smell of the stuff is really pretty bad. I am hopeful that the smell will dissipate quickly. I got a gallon of the stuff, so I'm committed to trying it out. If all my fruit trees and veggies go nuts over it and start producing like crazy, I may learn to get along with it. Nasty stuff!

as a vegetarian (almost vegan), i had concerns with fish also.
but most of it is waste, and would go to waste if not used as fert.

i am pretty happy with the stuff.
lately, i have been doing more chop+drop.
using leaves, grass, coffee grounds etc...
wither making compost, or, at the base of the trees as green mulch.
in both cases, i will use the fish to wet the mulch layer (in a fairly thin solution)
THis seems to get the biology roaring.
when it rains (or gets watered) all those microbes wash down into the roots.

logees has them
they are small though.

just got this from them.
but, that makes me wonder how they "know" its female ?


Good morning,

The Maqui berry is not grafted and is a self-producing plant. It doesn’t need an addition plant for pollination or fruit production. Please let us know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Thank you,
Logee’s Customer Service

i actually just bought one yesterday when i saw this
i was so excited... i ha been wanting one for a long time
i remember seeing them at Logees, but they were out of stock both times i had looked.

Then (after i just ordered)
i remembered they are dioecious ...

i have to wonder what i am geting
and how long before i know if its male or female ?
did i need to get 3 or 4 of them ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat relatives
« on: May 03, 2018, 08:08:30 AM »
Bronze Loquat is the one you are most likely to encounter.  Wasn't aware any of the others were notable for fruit.

i remember looking into this a bit
bronze loquat was the only lose edible relative
and , while supposedly edible, no one eats it where it grows.

if you go up  1 level from Eriobotrya , there are a ton of edibles.
most we already know.

( Tribe:Maleae - Subtribe:Malinae)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Aaaargh!
« on: May 03, 2018, 07:59:13 AM »
Reykjavík ?
I would imagine fish would be abundant there.
you could find a place to get scraps and start making either a slurry, or a compost.
Fish might be high in nitrogen, you you might want to research it first, maybe drying it out
would lower the N content ?
i pour fish emulsion  over my compost pile.

i stay away from chemicals, even just minerals as  much as possible.
i have used iron and magnesium at times, but did some reading on them first,
 and use them in low amounts.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherry of the Rio Grande - Too Big!
« on: May 03, 2018, 07:44:26 AM »
i had gotten one last spring
when i went to put it in ground, i looked at the root system
the roots were very fine and very close to the surface.
i knew with this hot weather we get, i would have water issues.
i mulch the hell out of it.
Usually, people say keep the mulch away from the trunk
i have a hard time doing that with the amount of mulch i use.

My understanding and also experience,
indicates that some species are much more susceptible
to fungal issues on the trunk than others.
i am pretty sure my CORG was taken from a cutting or air-layer,
so i figured mulch touching the trunk shouldnt hurt it
and so far it has not.

the kiddie pool doesnt sound like a bad idea.
i have a 5gal buckets for a few plants, and when i put drainage holes,
i would put them about an inch above the bottom, and use some lava rock at the bottom,
so there is a reservoir that can be used to keep the soil moist.
Some kind of screen (a type of false bottom) ,
would not be a bad idea on top an inch or so of lava rocks.

This is just the right side of my front yard
but i had a Blood Orange, a fig, autumn olive, jabo, Jamun
and several other plants.

in just this front bed, the main plant is the CORG
and i have peanut and strawberries as ground cover around it.
the peanut is a nitrogen fixer.
i had West Indian arrow root behind (North) of the CORG (not to shade it)
it died to the roots, but started coming back also.

In Jan 2018 it hit 20F here
and killed damn near everything, at least to the ground.
the CORG didnt blink...
i think i saw 2 or 3 leaves with slight tip-burn

FEB 2017

MAY 2017

AUG 2017

FEB 2018

early March 2018

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