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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Kinnow mandarin low seed variety
« on: March 09, 2024, 09:47:32 PM »
That's very cool!

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I got 4 out of 5 C-22 cuttings to root.  I didn't give them the most stable environment. Sometime it was too hot and sometime a bit dry, but they got plenty of grow light. 
My C-22 sucker is pushing new growth now.  I can give a some cuttings in the summer.  Let me know if you want some.

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Psidium guinense x: A potential hybrid guinense species. Species confirmed by Leslie Landrum, who believes it to be a guinense or possible hybrid of.  Fruit was delicious. Very nice tart/sweet ratio with only a couple of seeds and lots of flesh! A really beautiful and low growing, but slow plant. Large showy  flowers and absolutely something I want to grow a lot more of.


Looks kinda like P. australe or what Marcos calls Hybrid Araza.

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One of two C22 cuttings I started around Xmas rooted.  I just used a tall low budget seedling propagation dome and peat plugs and Clonex gel.

Does growing citrus rootstock from cuttings rather than seed affect its vigor etc.? I've heard that air layering mango for example produces a very week plant.

When you root cuttings of a fruit variety that's grown for the fruit and not for rootstock, then it's no surprise if it's weaker than a seedling, but cuttings of a rootstock variety like C-22 may be fine.  For example: an air layer of Lemon Zest may be weak, but an air layer of a Turpentine branch may be strong.

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I have a 4 years in the ground Chislett navel orange.  This is the second year it's set fruit and it's already very good.  It's tastier than Washington and almost as good as Cara Cara.

It might be the best late navel variety according the UC research.  Much later season than the popular Lane Late navel and less granulation problems.  My experience is it's tastier and more productive than Frost Washington navel.  Also it's juice won't turn bitter like Washington due to lower limonin!  The only drawback like Cara Cara is that it's harder to peel.

Too bad some nursery bought the exclusive rights to it in the US, so CCPP can't offer it's budwood anymore.  Does anyone know if these rights expire?  If so, When?

Has anyone tried the patented Kinnow LS and Fairchild LS mandarin varieties?  They were available from CCPP for a short time years ago.  According to google patent search, their patents expire around 2030.  I was lucky to get Daisy Seedless wood from CCPP before they sold the license.  It is excellent and very low seeded.

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That's a possibility. I've only grown one air layered Seville sour orange for rootstock and it grew well here. 
This UF research video seems to says no difference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKOxEyxbNno&t=5505s

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One of two C22 cuttings I started around Christmas rooted.  I just used a tall low budget seedling propagation dome and peat plugs and Clonex gel.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: February 05, 2024, 06:51:35 AM »
Yes, I should pick them earlier next year to see.

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Citrus General Discussion / Kinnow mandarin low seed variety
« on: January 19, 2024, 05:29:30 AM »
Is anyone growing the Kinnow LS variety?  Is it good?
I have Daisy low seed version.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Tarocco#7 same as Tarocco or not?
« on: January 03, 2024, 09:15:14 PM »
Kaz, me no like seeds :P

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: January 03, 2024, 09:12:47 PM »
Salustiana is an orange I don't hear anything about, But it's been an excellent orange for me in Phoenix AZ. 
It's my most heat and cold tolerant orange and very vigorous.  It bears heavily and consistently every year and earlier than most.
Just to compare it to some well know oranges:
It's earlier and more heat resistant than Frost Washington.
More cold hardy, peelable and seedless than Valencia.
More seedless and tasty than Trovita.

It's a blonde fleshed orange with good flavor and balance that's excellent for juicing and also peelable.  Did I mention how tough it is?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Tarocco#7 same as Tarocco or not?
« on: January 03, 2024, 08:34:34 PM »
My huge Tarocco tree was from a local nursery that grow their own trees on Seville Sour rootstock.  They just call it Tarocco and taste very good with decent color.  They probably don't even know what #7 is, so it could be Thermal or something older than Thermal like the original Italian Tarocco??  Anyway I'm going to graft a #7 and find out.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: January 01, 2024, 07:49:03 PM »
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Can I ask which trees tolerated the heat well? I live north of you but we are only a little cooler than you with summers over a hundred for almost 4 months reaching to 114 sometimes. My problem is I also need cold hardy varieties to make impart the winter.

I think many mandarins would do well for you especially Kinnow, Encore and Lee&Nova.  Orlando, Gold Nugget and Tango should be good too.  For oranges I would go with  Salustiana, Trovita, Washington and Moro.  Calamondin and limequats are a good substitude for lemon and lime if it's too cold for Meyer lemon.   Hirado Buntan, Valentine and Mato Buntan are more heat and cold hardy than other pomelos /pummelos.  Why do we need two ways to spell Citrus maxima?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: January 01, 2024, 07:34:15 PM »
greenfieldcitrus.com/index.htm has good info on citrus varieties including sun sensitivity.
In my own experience I would list general categories in this order for most heat tolerance to least:

lemons (also tolerant of most rootstocks even in AZ soil 8+pH)
sour oranges
limes
other sweet oranges
valencias
blood oranges
tangelos
grapefruit
pummelos
navel oranges
madarins
satsumas
kumquats

For cold hardiness I think generaly:
satsumas>=Gold Nugget>=other mandarins
navel oranges>blood oranges>=other oranges>valencias
tangelos>=oranges>grapefruit>=pummelos
oranges>Meyer lemon>finger limes>=lemons>limes






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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Wekiwa or did CCPP screw me over?
« on: December 30, 2023, 03:10:56 PM »
Maybe I should. But I got 30 other varieties from them that were correct.  This is the only wrong one and it was grafted some years ago.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Wekiwa or did CCPP screw me over?
« on: December 30, 2023, 06:27:15 AM »
Maybe topwork it to Hawaiian Pink Shaddock from CCPP because the best pomelo I ever had was in Hawaii and it was partly pink.  If anyone knows what Hawaiian Pink is like please let me know.  I asked Rock at CCPP what it is, but he said they only use the tree for budwood and don't let it fruit???  I asked why they added it to their collection and made Hawaiian Pink wood available, but got no answer.  I hope it's for the fruit and not as a roostock like Cuban Shaddock.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: December 30, 2023, 06:04:18 AM »
Probably left on the tree too long? Satsumas get puffy the longer they hang as well.
That makes sense.  I'll check earlier next year.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Is this a Wekiwa or did CCPP screw me over?
« on: December 30, 2023, 06:02:32 AM »
That's good to know Kaz.  I'll just topwork it to something else.  Can't believe CCPP sent me some random junk or sucker wood lol.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: December 30, 2023, 05:57:24 AM »
Yes the larger ones taste good, but most smaller ones are granulated.  It does get 90% sun so could probably use a bit more shade for such a small fruit.  The record hot summer this year killed my Owari and Xieshan Satsumas.  I guess Satsumas are less heat tolerant than most citrus.  May be due to lower vigor too.  All of my other citrus survived the summer without much stress, including other mandarins, oranges, pomelos and others.

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Citrus General Discussion / Very puffy Kishu mandarins
« on: December 29, 2023, 12:27:03 AM »
Does anyone have super puffy Kishu fruit with lots of air inside?
My Kishu fruits don't look much like normal Kishu pics on google. 
The one in the pic is better than most.
Could it be due to Phoenix climate or rootstock?




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Citrus General Discussion / Is this a Wekiwa or did CCPP screw me over?
« on: December 29, 2023, 12:19:29 AM »
Does this look like a huge dry granulated Wekiwa or did CCPP give me the wrong budwood? 
It's next to a Salustiana orange and Kishu mandarin both are very good.
All my other varieties on the same rootstock growing in the same area did not have granulation problems.




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Citrus General Discussion / Tarocco#7 same as Tarocco or not?
« on: December 28, 2023, 11:23:26 PM »
When you buy a Tarocco blood orange tree from a nursery is it likely to be a Tarocco#7 or some older standard Tarocco variety that's been around the citrus industry?
If they're different is the Tarocco#7 better?

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Sounds good.  I found a bigger sucker that I can take cuttings from and will try to root it in the garage around Christmas.  Should know by March if successful.

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Hey Hammer, I got my C-22's as seedlings from Reid at RSI a few years ago. 
He's had a bad year with the heat and is out of citrus currently. 
I want to get more myself, but can't find a source. 
I wish I have an un-grafted C-22, then I can try to root some cuttings or do airlayers. 
Fortunately one of my C-22 rootstocks has a small sucker below the graft union so I'll let it grow out.

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I have most of my citrus on C-22 Bitters instead of Seville Sour Orange now.  My trees on C-22 grow better than SSO, especially in the part of my yard with more calcareous soil(shittier soil).  Other advantages I see are:
-Stronger heat / sun resistance
-smaller tree, but still good vigor
-less fruit granulation(maybe due to lower growth vigor or better root efficiency or both)
-better flavor in some varieties(maybe due to healthier tree)

Seville Sour is still pretty good for Arizona soil, but C-22 is better.  Also some nurseries say their citrus are on sour orange rootstock, but neglect to tell you it's not Seville Sour.  They use some other sour orange such as Brazilian Sour or something that grows faster than Seville to increase profits.  Then customers(me) wonder why their citrus still taste like trash after 5 freaking years.

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