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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry support?
« on: October 19, 2018, 12:53:03 PM »
both the Pak and the Shangri-La have oversized leaves.
i have both, but there is no way to tell them apart by the leaves.

There are several types of Pakistani  -  from my understanding anyway...
the more common has a light purple type fruit.

Shangri-La fruit are shorter and fatter. and the fruit get darker.

this tall thing is my Pak.
it must have grown 12ft since April. (and i hacked it once taking off 3ft)
i had planned on keeping it low to get at the fruit
but, that might just be impossible... i will let it double as a shade tree
and shake it when its full of fruit.


when does your Indian Juju fruit mature ?
i have flowers on mine now, but winter is coming.
i am in zone 9b so, i dont know if the fruit will hold and/or ripen.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry support?
« on: October 19, 2018, 11:13:32 AM »
it depends on the type of mulberry (i think)
it appears to me, that if you prune them, they will fruit again
with most varieties ive tested anyway.
my Pakistani does, and even the "everbearing" fruits much more (several weeks) after a pruning.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jatropa
« on: October 19, 2018, 11:08:50 AM »
if you have any extra seeds let me know
(i can purchase)

if i ever do grow a tree, i would probably send seeds in for testing first.
this way also, i can propagate cuttings to trade etc.
it would be nice if rare-fruiters had more than 1 source.

or, if anyone has cuttings i would be interested.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya questions
« on: October 18, 2018, 01:30:50 PM »
i have grown them in banana circles.
a pit in the middle dug out and filled with rotting wood, leaves, grass, coffee grounds....
it will hold water even in hot sun, just put as much woody mulch on top as possible.
the soil organisms and worms go wild, it stays moist and fertile.
ive been using logs to provide barriers for raised beds too, that also works well.

as far as the male-female thing...
my understanding is that almost all papaya sold are grown from seed which is
cultivated, over generations, to produce mainly hermaphrodites.
usually %66 or more herm, with %33 female and almost no males.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Carambola deficiency I.D.
« on: October 18, 2018, 12:54:47 PM »
the newer growth has some red in it, usually (from my experience only)
this means iron is OK.
the larger-older leaves darken mainly with magnesium.
it doesnt look "deficient" to me, but i would guess that if you added some mag
the leaves might get a bit darker-green.

another possibility is PH, they like somewhat acid soils.
if you could use some woody mulch or pine needles as mulch it may help.
Epsom is magnesium sulfate, and may help with both problems. (if the PH is high)

there are several types of guava, so , it may be different for each type.
i know the Mexican types (smaller yellow) can ripen off the tree, but, i imagine there will be less flavor.

ive grown a few types, my fav is the large Asian white
i tried eating one once, that wasnt quite ripe.
it was not a good experience.
and i pulled a couple off the tree before a frost, to let them ripen inside.
they didnt... they just rotted.
i would let the ripen as much as possible before picking.
tried using bags ? or, even essential oils to spray them ?

i just bought some repellent, essential oils to mix with water.
mainly to keep leaf-miners and aphids off my citrus
but also to keep mosquitoes off my skin.
i am not suggesting the user and just used it 3-4 times since i got it...
  it seems to work rather well, but you have to spray after every rain
and even every few days if dry.

you can buy the stuff by the pound fairly cheap
its been big business for a few years now
lots of $ involved and groups trying tpo prevent a ban
so, i dont think it will get banned IMO.
it works on the opiod receptors, but, not the Mu-opiod receptors
(those are the ones like in heroine, which get you high/hooked)
so, its good for coming off of opiates
it wont get you "stoned" per se, but, is effective at pain management
it has several other benefits as well.

there is a good TV show (series) called "Hamiltons Pharmacopia"
Hamilton is a chemist with a passion for mind altering substances.

he did a show on how Kratom is made, where it comes from etc...
very interesting...'s+Pharmacopeia+kratom

i had a plant a few years ago, and yes, with lots of sun and water, it can grow like a weed.
it was about 5ft tall and wide when a freeze took it out.
i should have tried to bring it back from the roots, but i forgot about it
and it dried up.

there are side effects listed, but, i havent felt any
but then, i have not taken it in large doses.

1 teaspoon for me (2-4 grams or so?) is enough, and you can buy a KG (2.2lb) for $80 and up.

Mitragyna speciosa korth

Some people take it for managing chronic pain,
 for treating opioid withdrawal symptoms...

do you ship ? and how much approx ?
in New Orleans La.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rooting Shangri La Mulberry Cuttings
« on: August 04, 2018, 12:53:28 PM »
In the past when I have had multiple cuttings I tried
a couple different ways like rooting hormone, honey, and nothing.
I have also cut the bottom out of 2 liter plastic bottles and covered the cutting
to create more humidity. I never had more success using rooting hormone?

The good news is most mulberries root very easy.
I usually leave one small leaf or a half leaf. Allot of times the mulberry
puts out flowers when you are rooting it and it ends up with a couple
small fruit. I snip them off so the cutting concentrates on rooting not fruiting.
It's amazing how fast the roots come out of the bottom of the pot when they take.

Thanks.  I have a newish himalayan mulberry tree that was grafted.  Not sure why it was grafted if they are so easy to propgate via cuttings?

grafting is better if the graft union is good.
mulberry can get quite large, and having it on seed-grown would have a taproot
and better rooting all together i imagine....

my Pakistani is grafted, and its quite strong, and vigorous.
not sure what they used as rootstock,
but red and white both grow here (South Louisiana) like weeds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing papaya
« on: July 26, 2018, 11:09:06 AM »
they like a ton of organic matter (well rotted).
its hard to over-fertilize them.

they like water, but it has to be well draining.
lots of sun and heat, the more the better.
root-rot + over watering is the #1 killer.

compost around the base, then mulch on top works great.

rabbit and chicken waste, or fish emulsion are good fertilizers.

roots dont like to be disturbed, plant in-place if possible.
(or use a peat-based container) then cut the bottom when planting out.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what do you plant indoor?
« on: July 25, 2018, 08:31:43 AM »
The stuff I've had the best luck with so far are sub-tropicals and tropicals from non equatorial areas, including:
strawberry and lemon guava
natal plums

fig and POM indoors ?
do you have a small star to produce light ?

most ive talked to in the fig forum
had told me any fig they grew in shade had very low production.
ive been under the impression POM was the same way also... is it not ?

one trick i do use for any plant that is in shade a lot
is extra iron and magnesium
they darken the leaves allowing it to photosynthesize with less light.
my Feijoa 's leaves got much darker, and the plant looked a lot healthier.
its also helped, mulberry, katuk, citrus, persimmon... and fig too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mexican cream guava taste?
« on: July 23, 2018, 04:16:21 PM »
the first few times i ate guava, it was terrible
until i grew a plant. Mex Cream.
the aroma was fantastic. i didnt like the hard seeds until i realized i could chew them

then, i grew a large white.
when ripe, the fruit is soft and   sweet.
now i love the damn things, but cant find them for sale
and last years frost killed my plants to the ground.
they are coming back, but fruit on last years wood.

my biggest problem with them is having 2 years without a hard frost
and , if i get that, i get tied of eating them in 2 weeks or so
then i have 100 fruit going bad... the Mex cream seem to fruit in spring
and do almost nothing the rest of the year.


And for God sakes, do not forget the Smith for that beats out most everything in the taste dept. and in Louisiana is loved by most. A true heirloom fig!

Smith in LA (high humidity) = great

Smith in AZ (low humidity) = poor producer.

Some figs like Smith are well-adapated to high humidity. Some figs like a Mediterranean climite, low humidity.

I have a several year old Smith tree. Smith in my environment produces excellent figs about 25% of the time. The other 75% of the figs are either bland / tasteless (cardboard) or completely dried out around the ostiole.

thanks, i will have to try and find a Smith.
i have 3 un-named, or mis-named. (one might be Smith)
1 is excellent. lots of fruit, taste great, no idea what it is.

i have a Black Mission, and i think its too humid for it.
it grows OK, but produces little.

this is the un-named, excellent fruit.
it gets larger and dark just before ripening.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brutal heatwave 7/06/18 in Socal
« on: July 23, 2018, 03:58:24 PM »
Here we go again.

Today 118
Tues 118
Wed 120

I think it only got to 118 once last summer. That will be 5 days 118 or over before the end of July. Sigh.

wow, and i was complaining about 97 yesterday, and 95 today.
ive been out spraying water on the leaves and mulch layer.

watch out for black containers !!!
they suck up  that heat and fry the roots.
OK if its an edible root and your hungry i guess... :)

someone said humidity keeps the temps down ?
its 61% today, and often is over 80%. (90% in the morning)
i was out yesterday for 40 mins at 8:30am, before 9am i was soaked in sweat.
full clothing change including socks.

im curious as well
i just got seeds from trade winds for  jangomans and inermis (luvi-luvi).
does anyone know how cold-hardy they are ??

i have 2 what i think are Governor plums.
on one, the leaves are much broader
the one with the smaller leaves is flowering, and growing faster as well
i put the large-leaf one in ground recently.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Site Outage
« on: July 22, 2018, 02:37:53 PM »


for a google search
use this google operator...

here it is as a URL
save the link and just change the word Jaboticaba,
 to whatever you want to search for.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit identification
« on: July 21, 2018, 08:34:59 AM »


 Few folks know the blossoms of the Magnolia grandiflora are edible, however their flavor is intense and they taste similar to how they smell. They are not eaten raw per se. They are pickled. Oddly the practice started in England and you only use the petals, not the entire blossom. What works best is to pickle the petals in a sweet/sour pickle recipe. Then take out one petal, dice it, and use it sparingly as a flavoring in salads. The flavor is strong so go easy. Also, M. grandiflora‘s leaf can be used just as Magnolia virginiana‘s can as a bay leaf, that is to flavor soups and the like. However, don’t use the entire leaf because it is way too big. Cut it into smaller pieces when used like a bay leaf.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Citrus leaf pic - iron deficiency?
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:34:59 AM »
Mainly on new growth.  My citrus has had a very hard year.  They were stressed by Irma, under water for over 2 weeks from the Irma flood, then heavily, and I mean heavily attacked by leaf miners this spring.

It's a wonder I have any citrus trees left.

i lost a 25yr satsuma, delicious too.
we had a once in 100yr cold snap in New Orleans - 20F.
i was surprised, my meyers lemon came back, blood orange too.
now i am fighting Asian Psyllids and greening disease.
ive seen the Psyllids on my trees on new growth
i spray with oregano oil and alcohol+soap.

leaf miners are impossible to get rid of.
lots of flowering plants bring in predators that keep them at bay
but my neighbor has 5 large citrus he doesnt care for.

BTW... probably iron.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ID seedling ??
« on: July 20, 2018, 11:28:39 AM »

i actually have a  peanut butter plant
but the leaves are different.

i actually just got a  'Tropical apricot' from Murray at mygardenofdelights
but it lost all its leaves in shipping
and hasnt re-leafed yet.
the trunk still has green under the bark, but its been a few weeks
its supposedly an improved variety, so i hope it pulls through so i can graft this one too.

from online photos, i think this is it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / ID seedling ??
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:49:15 PM »
i have 2 seedlings
old soil and no tags.
can anyone ID them ??

also in the 2nd pic, there has been no new growth in months
and ive added fertilizer, iron, magnesium, and fish emulsion.
not sure what else to do
and the leaves have started curling under.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Citrus leaf pic - iron deficiency?
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:44:25 PM »
is it mainly on new growth or old ?

ive added epsom and iron to my citrus
and they greeneds up quite nicely.

Iron deficiency
starts on young terminal leaves and later works inward to the older leaves. However, deficiencies in manganese,
zinc or nitrogen develop on inner or older leaves first and then progress outward.
Symptoms include leaves turning yellow or brown in the margins between the veins which may remain green,
while young leaves may appear to be bleached

Due to magnesium’s mobile nature, the plant will first break down chlorophyll in older leaves and transport the Mg to younger leaves
 Excess potassium, generally due to fertilizers, further aggravates the stress from magnesium deficiency,[2] as does aluminium toxicity.[3]
Interveinal chlorotic mottling or marbling of the older leaves which proceeds toward the younger leaves as the deficiency becomes more severe.

Manganese (Mn)
deficiency is a plant disorder that is often confused with, and occurs with, iron deficiency. Most common in poorly drained soils, also where organic matter levels are high. Manganese may be unavailable to plants where pH is high.

It is a component of chlorophyll, so when nitrogen is insufficient, leaves will take on a yellow (chlorotic) appearance down the middle of the leaf.  Restricted growth of tops and roots and especially lateral shoots. Plants become spindly with gen eral chlorosis of entire plant to a light green and then a yellowing of older leaves which proceeds toward younger leaves

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How To Reach High Mulberries?
« on: July 19, 2018, 02:35:56 PM »
shake the tree.
only the ripe ones fall which works fine for me.
plastic tarp on the ground can help.

also, ive use a pole with a plastic bottle on the end
bottom cut out, top taped into the pole.
1 litre drink bottles work OK.

this species is rare, because it only grows in a certain climate
there is plenty of nearby rainforest for it to move into
which means its probably not very tolerant of environmental changes.

looking at the map
these 3 look like they might have more cold tolerance.

vasconcellea chilensis
vasconcellea glandulosa
vasconcellea quercifolia

seems almost impossible to get seed for any
except quercifolia

or maybe here.

$20 for seed (even palanda)

A treelet endemic to Ecuador where it is known from a single population in the Andes of Zamora province.
Vasconcellea palandensis is endemic to Ecuador. It is known only from one population in Zamora-Chinchipe province.

Humid, premontane forest at elevations from 1790 - 1,850 metres
Seed - sow in individual containers or in a nursery seedbed in light shade. Germination can be slow and difficult, taking about 30 days

 Highland papayas

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