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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 19, 2018, 01:43:58 AM »
Dr. Crane also mentioned in this video that Mamey is different than other trees when it comes to making cuts. Cutting minor and major limbs to the origin (flush cuts aka drop-crutch pruning) can cause further die back, so he leaves a stub which results in healthier re-growth. He mentions it in the mamey pruning video in the link I posted.

http://trec.ifas.ufl.edu/fruitscapes/Fruitscapes-videos/mamey/playlist2/mamey_sapote_care.shtml

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 19, 2018, 01:11:38 AM »
Oh okay. I looked it up. I'm guessing this is the sweet spot. I made a yellow mark in the picture where the planned cut is. I gotta be careful with the chain saw to make sure I don't cut into the lateral branch right next to it.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 18, 2018, 08:07:04 PM »
Either way is fine. Sometimes it's hard to get those central shoots to calm down and grow at an angle (vs straight up in the air). But that might not be the case with mamey. Those 2 existing laterals look nice though.

:-) You could trim it right down to the lateral branches (like another foot down). Those lateral branches would then become scaffolding branches.

Trimmed it. :)


Sounds like a good idea. My initial goal was to make the tree produce multiple sprouts from the trunk and tip the new growth to promote lateral branching. Now when I think about your idea, I wished I trimmed it down further like you've suggested. I'll do that next weekend.  Thanks  :)

Yeah, I'll leave it alone for now to see how the central shoots behave. If it becomes uncontrollable and/or the canopy becomes too crowded, I'll go with your advice and reduce the height of the trunk down to the lateral branches.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 18, 2018, 04:53:10 PM »
:-) You could trim it right down to the lateral branches (like another foot down). Those lateral branches would then become scaffolding branches.

Trimmed it. :)


Sounds like a good idea. My initial goal was to make the tree produce multiple sprouts from the trunk and tip the new growth to promote lateral branching. Now when I think about your idea, I wished I trimmed it down further like you've suggested. I'll do that next weekend.  Thanks  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 18, 2018, 04:13:27 PM »
Trimmed it. :)


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Too many male flowers on Sunrise
« on: February 18, 2018, 11:01:40 AM »
Another potential piece to the puzzle here is the fact that my carrie, when it was producing poorly, would always set fruit extremely well on the late (eg, March) blooms. I had theorized that the higher temps of March gave the tree better access to nutrition.

Yes Iíve observed this effect as well actually.

At any rate they are finicky producers even when well cared for (our trees certainly are) and there are more than enough alternatives in the same flavor group that I no longer recommend them to people. Too many drawbacks beyond just the production issues.

Just curious, what varieties do you recommend for people like myself that love Carrie mangoes?

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Just some scattered blooms on the Carrie and on the Coconut Cream (coco-cream has new vegetative growth now emerging too). The Pickering has one flower, but is mostly dormant. Both of my NDM's are still dormant with swollen buds. All of my other mango trees (lemon zest, glenn, and valencia pride) are just producing vegetative growth. The hurricane screwed up this mango season for me.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 14, 2018, 05:16:18 PM »
Itís a grafted tree that came from Zillís  nursery here.  There could have been a mixup but it is supposed to be Pantin. Gary has two others there, one of which he found here in CR that he calls Paritta. The tree in the photo is about 7years old, no fertilizer, just biochar and microorganisms.
We used to have a giant seedling and it was difficult to pick. Newer trees are being kept smaller than the Pantin.
Peter

Cool. :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 10:55:10 PM »

Unfortunately you canít see the bottom of this tree in the photo but it is about 20í tall.  It has been, as you can see, frequently topped at about 5í below the top height.  That is at about 15í.
I think that breaking the tips at 18Ē is probably a good idea but keeping in mind not to let the shape get too crowded with small branches.  This tree needs work but at least thereís plenty of fruit.
Peter

Nice! Is that a seedling or a grafted tree?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 04:15:57 PM »
The fruit were too small to be pantin, and production came in Dec, which is not pantin season. However, it was the tree's first crop. The current crop looks like it will mature at leas one crop in Aug. It has a combo of near-tennis ball sized fruits and nut sized fruits. The tree grows at the rate of like 3 inches a year, even after being in ground for 3.5 years. It's insane. I guess it could be a viejo or something?

 Kinda sounds like Viejo based on your description. This is a pic of the tree itself and the fruit (just in case my message didn't go through).









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 03:38:37 PM »
I visited the McBryde Garden (here on Kauai). They had a Mamey tree that must have been 60+ feet tall (wish I took a picture). Problem is when the Mamey's fell it was like a cannon hitting the ground and the fruit was completely destroyed.  Chickens ate the fragments. It was then that I decided that my Mamey cannot get too tall. 

Its been a battle to try to keep it low, as the tree wants to reach for the sky.

Yeah. I want to prevent that issue. The mamey trees probably enjoy the volcanic soil in your area.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 03:36:52 PM »
Easy to manage size if you prune 2 x every summer. I take 4-5í off the Pattin and skip a year of fruiting
I do the same w the canistel itís actual help increase the size of the fruits
Both are 3 yearsin ground








Cool!  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 03:33:39 PM »
Wow. I must have gotten lucky, because my 'pantin' (if it truly is pantin) is not even 6 feet tall, yet it's on its second crop. First crop consisted of 5 - 6 fruits. It's either not a pantin, or the rootstock is dwarfing it, because the tree is 7 - 8 years old.

My pace, on the other hand, looks similar to your pantin and hasn't yet produced.

Nice! Does the fruit look like Pantin?
My pace is a year older than my pantin, yet it is not as large.  It has been a prolific flowering and fruiting tree these past couple of years, but it has popped off all of it's fruit many times. My viejo is the youngest of them all (planted from a 3 gallon in 2014), has a spreading growth habit, and has one maturing fruit on it. lol It currently has some newly formed pea sized fruit and more flowers. My pace currently has tons of pea-sized fruit on it now from the recent bloom set. My pace:




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 01:50:06 PM »
Thanks for the advice Jeff. :) The fence behind the tree is 6 foot tall and the tree is just below the height of the tallest powerline, which is about the height of a two story house. The tree never held any fruit to maturity so far. There are some green pea-sized fruits on it now, but half of those are on one of the high branches which will be challenge to reach, unless I use a tall ladder or a fruit picker. There are a few on one of the lower branches below the number #1 mark.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pantin Mamey Height Reduction.
« on: February 13, 2018, 10:59:27 AM »
Hello fellow fruit tree enthusiasts. I've been thinking of cutting back my grafted pantin mamey tree. In the picture, there are two possible cutting locations that I'm thinking about in order to make the tree more bushy and more wind resistant. This tree went through Hurricane Irma at this current size (90 mph gusts) like a champ and it still has plenty of space between the tree and the power lines. I would like to eliminate the chance of having to use an extremely tall ladder to harvest the fruit when the tree finally decides to produce fruit and maybe make the tree more productive. It seems to only produce isolated clusters of flowers and a small set of baby fruit in a few areas of the tree. The tree was planted as a 7 gallon tree back in the fall of 2012 so it has been a bit more than 7 years. The tree grows like a weed and it seems to be an upright vertical grower. The number 2 mark in the picture was the height of the tree back in 2012. I will be using a product called Tree bandage to seal the wound. I would like to read some of your opinions on this matter. Here are the three options:
1.) Leave the tree alone.
2.) Cut it at the number 2 mark.
3.) Cut it at the number 1 mark.

You probably need to zoom in to clearly see the marks I made.




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Those small green balls are infant fruit. The flowers look like small round light brownish balls. Then it opens up into nice small white flowers.
The flowers then dry up and fall off leaving behind the tiny newly developing fruits. As they get older and larger, they will loose the smooth green appearance and become scaly like it will be until maturity. The tree will go popping off and thinning out the fruits on it's own. Only a small percentage will stay on the tree if the tree is ready to maintain any fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Winter weather Florida..so far so good
« on: December 31, 2017, 09:58:05 PM »
Forecasting to drop down to 38 degrees for my zip code this upcoming week. https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/33024:4:US

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sugar Apple issues
« on: December 08, 2017, 05:31:15 PM »
This time of year when the temperatures get cooler and the humidity reduces, the leaves tend to get kinda ugly, then the leaves drop.  My sugar apple does the same thing before it goes dormant for the winter.

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I've humanely killed a number of them in my back yard with my gamo pellet gun. I aim for the head, right behind the eyes, so they die quickly. Then I bury them around the fruit trees so their rotting corpse fertilizes the ground around my trees.

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Pics are from yesterday.. Grafts were done 2 weeks prior on 10/8. First successful veneer graft onto a tree started from seeds. (Variety grafted- Florigon)








Awesome!  :)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peach Cobbler Mango?
« on: October 22, 2017, 02:56:36 PM »
So anyone here reporting on the Pina Colada for this year? I have one and it is a slow grower. It is finally pushing out it's second flush since planting it this year. My CC is doing fantastic and is pushing out it's 3rd round of foliage. Kind of interesting to see if I may have to get rid of my CC if a Pina Colada taste similar. Anyone reporting a difference in taste?

Funny thing, the CC fruits I've eating from my CC tree reminds me of virgin pina colada. I have not eating a pina colada mango though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado tree...should I give up?
« on: October 22, 2017, 02:52:38 PM »
OK, 5 weeks has gone by since the hurricane and this is what is looks like now.  It's coming along.  I sure hope the break was above the graft.




Looks like it is coming back nicely. :) Watch out for that giant octopus though. lol

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Nice!  8)

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I took some pics of the grafts. The sprouting grafts were grafted on October 1st. The non sprouted grafts were grafted last week on Friday the 13th.

Carrie Grafts on Glenn Branch:















Pickering Graft onto NDM#4 shoot:





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DSavYJlkOs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQinaXOoARY

According to the videos above, you have to get rid of the entire tree. Throw it in the trash or burn it and don't plant another avocado tree in that spot since the roots could very well be infected. If you remove the whole tree, along with the root ball, then you can probably plant another avocado tree in its place.

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