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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: February 14, 2019, 06:22:57 PM »
Brad..

Can you do consultation on planting fruit tree avocado in particular for my backyard?  I bought a couple of  15 gallon avocado and blood orange.  I plan to plant more fruit tree in the future.  It's been soaking rain recently in San Diego and I can't tell the texture or composition of the soil in my backyard.

Sure you can send me a private message.  Or if you want take pics of the spot you are thinking and post it. 

If theres a standing puddle where you want the avocados to go, forget it they will drown.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: February 14, 2019, 02:31:21 PM »
This is a real email I got this morning.  :D




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Nice looking trees.  Looks pretty awesome.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 13, 2019, 12:28:27 PM »
For all interested I've bought 4 grafted trees from brad past year and all 4 are growing much better than my Florida trees.they actually have dense growth and look like they're in their natural habitat. They easily made it though several rounds of Santa ana winds and more recently 5 days of morning frost.

Brad -thats a great looking tree and I'd buy it from you except I've already got a brad LZ creation! How is that ardith doing by the way?

Could you post some pictures? I am stuck with 20 different varieties of mangoes on turpentine rootstock before I read about it, most of mine were on 15/25 gallons and flowering currently. I am planning to grow ataulfo seedlings in deep nursery bags and graft as a replacements.

You may have some failures but many of your trees will likely do ok.  I would advise you to use mexican Kent rootstocks.  You can get cases of them in summer for cheap.  And they are much more vigorous than ataulfo seeds.  The ataulfo seeds tend to get long and lanky and not short and stout.  They like to flop over and seem to die back easier over winter.  At least grow both types and hedge your bets. 

For what its worth, I am going to do some more trees with Simon this summer on the rootstock stockpile we have and then thats probably it.  Because getting seedlings through the winter here and then the success rate on grafts makes it not really worth the effort even at 100$ a tree.  Theres a reason no one is growing grafted mango trees in CA.  You need a greenhouse to really keep them happy and keep from flowering.  And lack of heat units and light units over winter even in San Diego is really hard on these plants.  So by the time I grow out 100 trees maybe I have 30 good ones that make it to be grafted and good takes in a state people want to purchase.  Any slow seeds, lanky seeds, sick seeds etc I toss.  Then the rest have to stay good for 6+ months of cold weather, then have to graft and have good takes.  Major PITA.

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Not sure if this vetiver but it sows it self on steep bare spots.  Its like natures fix for bare hillsides.  It also spreads everywhere.  Wish my neighbors didnt have it growing.  It doesnt need any water and has super strong root system.








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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where should I prune this mango?
« on: February 12, 2019, 04:28:38 PM »
You are going to get differing opinions but it looks like the branches are quite close to the ground.  I would probably let it grow for a summer then prune all the branches off below 2ft from the ground keeping the central leader and let it branch up higher. 

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You can buy lemongrass seeds.  The thing with lemongrass is its tropical and needs water in summer and gets cold damaged in winter.  There are better grasses to use for our arid climate but most of them are highly invasive.

My cousin who lives 20 mins away from me (unprotected frontyard) have a big lemon grass and never got cold damage. I personally own a small lemon grass on pot & we have been consistently been on the low 30s, 27 the lowest and i dont see no cold damage. I own the lemon grass for 2 yrs now.

Ok my mistake sorry for that.  It just seems very tropical and doubtful it will work out well on the side of a hill with no irrigation in CA summers.  But maybe?   

There are certainly better grasses for that purpose.  My neighbor has a lot of this clumping grass and it loves to sow itself on steep bare hillsides.  So much so that I am costanly removing new clumps.  Its very invasive stuff but it definitely has a very strong root system.  Has to be dug out.  Will take a pic of it later today. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 12, 2019, 02:53:01 PM »
Vall, this tree is going to grow much better than a mail order tree from FL as its on a better rootstock in a tall pot and is less than a year old.  This is the kind of tree people in CA should try and use to be successfull.  It isnt completely rootbound with circling roots, it's been kept in a greenhouse so no flowers, and not staked up and limp. 

If you would like the tree please send me a PM.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 12, 2019, 11:00:08 AM »
Yeah, we aren't in FL.  Finding a decent tree not on terpintine rootstock here is pretty much not possible.  And getting a mango tree to do vegetative flushes in February, not easy.

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Its a type of ice plant.  Its the neon purple one (delosperma).  Its important to get the right ice plant if you go with that.  Rabbits and deer will eat it all if you get the kind they like.  They dont touch the purple one.  Its ver easy to propogate.  You just cut a 6 to 12" piece and stick it in the ground every foot or so.  It roots and grows on its own and smothers out weeds.  Then you can spread it as you get more of it.  It has to be hand propogated though, its not like the ice plant on the freeway that creeps and sows itself.




Heres a youtube video the guy talks about it for erosion control on hills.


https://youtu.be/q0_HZ7Snqjc

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would you accept a tree in this condition?
« on: February 10, 2019, 02:52:22 PM »
To be honest its not pretty but most likely will grow right out of that and will never make any difference in the long run.

The scar at the bottom is the only concerning part.  As long as that doesnt get worse I would worry about it much.

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You can buy lemongrass seeds.  The thing with lemongrass is its tropical and needs water in summer and gets cold damaged in winter.  There are better grasses to use for our arid climate but most of them are highly invasive.

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If you already have the 2 trees near ech other theres not much point.  If they are blooming at the same time, the bees will take of things.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 10, 2019, 12:47:40 PM »


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Do you have a pic of the hillside?  My property is all very steep hillside.  The majority of it is just the native shaparal vegetation.  Sumac, scrub oak, salvia,...  Its only on the spots I've cleared that grass and wild lettuce, weeds etc has taken over.

You didnt say how many sq ft either.  Is it 5000 ft or 100,000ft ? 

Heres one ornamental hill cover I am really fond of.  It takes a few years to get it established though.




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Let the weeds and grass grow naturally?  All the hills are covered in weeds and grass here now with all the rain...  Didnt have to put down seeds, nature took care of it. 

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Lemon Zest mango tree
« on: February 10, 2019, 11:10:20 AM »
Lemon Zest tree grafted in September 30th 2018.  Tree is flushing nicely.  Its on a very vigorous Kent rootstock that was grown from seed last summer.  Only the fastest growing rootstocks got grafted late last year.  Will need to be kept in a greenhouse or indoors for a few months to avoid flowering.  It's in a Stuewe tall tree pot.  This is super nice tree.  If no one buys its getting planted here in a couple months.

100$ local pickup.




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a quick aside, so it looks like the new growth my trees are pushing are all blooms. Is this typical for time of year and can i expect vegitative growth at a different time of year? I know I got vegitative flushes at the end of summer but cant rememeber about spring.

Yes its going to be blooms in spring then late spring and summer will be leaf flush.

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Planting 100+ trees is a tiny fraction of the effort that it takes to maintain them :-). Pruning, fertilization, pest control, weed control, etc for the next few decades is a monster time suck as the trees mature -- for us Floridians at least.

Maybe it would be better if I just saved the money and use it for psychiatric help!!??

Maybe start with 10 trees and see how it goes.  Putting in 100+ trees takes a lot of effort.

Yep, big commitment.  We are lucky here theres less fungal and bug pressure.  My biggest chore is keeping the weeds and grass under control.

At least you guys in FL have flat land to work with.  If it were me, I would be laying it out so that I could fit a quad or some type of utility vehicle in the tree rows for moving mulch and harvesting fruit etc. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: February 09, 2019, 11:15:37 AM »

Its normal.  They go semi dormant here too.  Then in March or April you can do some pruning and strip off the leaves of the nodes where you want new growth and that is where stems and flowers will grow from.

Thanks, that's the info I need.

I see where you guys are getting some nice rains!  Yay!

Yes, lots of rain and more on the way.  Mark, these other guys may have better advice on exactly what to do with your cherimoya.  I think winter feeding is pretty much not necessary as the plant loses vigor in the cold.  Probably spring and summer feedings makes more sense.  They seem to be salt sensitive also so don't get too carried away.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Todayís Harvest from the orchard
« on: February 09, 2019, 11:09:10 AM »
I am so jealous of your harvests! My dragon fruit cuttings from Brad seem to be doing well according to my parents who are shepherding them until I move to Cali. I also have started some passion fruit from seed (purple possum, banana, and granadilla sprouted. Really want the giant granadilla to sprout) and found a blue passion fruit (caerulea) locally I took some cuttings from.

I'd love to visit the Poway farm after I move Brad and see your orchard. It looks amazing.

You are welcome to stop by. 

Not a lot going this time of year but we do have some citrus/avocados/passionfruits. 


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Maybe it would be better if I just saved the money and use it for psychiatric help!!??

Maybe start with 10 trees and see how it goes.  Putting in 100+ trees takes a lot of effort.

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You need to define the size of the planting area and then pick your spacing and then figure out how many trees will fit.

Lets say your lot is 200ft x 100ft, thats a little less than half acre.  You could do 10x10 spacing and fit 10 trees in 20 rows.  200 trees crammed in there. 

Or 15 x 15 spacing would be around 7 trees per row times 14 rows.  Around 100 trees. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: February 09, 2019, 09:44:51 AM »
Being new to annonas would someone please explain the life cycle of cherimoya?  I have a very nice cocktail tree holding grafts of Behl's budwood, that in spite of my watering it (less than summer) and it getting a fresh dose of Osmocote recently..... it's dormant.  What's next?  Leaf drop, new leaf output, when do they flower?

I also have an Giant Atis sugar apple and cherimoya seedlings.

Thanks

Its normal.  They go semi dormant here too.  Then in March or April you can do some pruning and strip off the leaves of the nodes where you want new growth and that is where stems and flowers will grow from. 

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Prince peach
« on: February 09, 2019, 12:41:10 AM »
The bushnell cameras are good.  The no name ones are no good.  I got a no name one and it was crap.  I put a bad review on amazon and they contacted me and refunded me to remove the bad review.  So free junk cameras are available too...

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