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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: Today at 02:07:23 PM »
I wander around my yard every night so shouldn't be a problem to have fruit that fall of when ready. I'm only on about a quarter of an acre so it's not a real chore for me to check.
Rodents are bad in my fenced off garden, though not too bad lately. Think I've got them mostly exterminated. The avocado trees will go in the corner my dog likes to hang out in, hopefully that will help. 10ft is what I'll probably end up doing.

You might get lucky and the cooler fall weather up there will make them hang longer and not fall off so quick.

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Seed pods shipped.  Sent you guys extra.  Now theres a lot of ready pods.

3 for 20$ if anyone wants these.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: Today at 11:40:57 AM »
I don't have to many animals I'd be worried about eating avocados.
My Lamb Hass seems to be growing the best out of all of mine. They're all still in pots... I'm sure they're all going to take off when planted this spring.
What would you recommend for spacing for these trees? I plan on putting them all in a corner of my yard and planting them as close as possible. (Lamb-Hass, Holiday, Stewart, and the future GEM)

Thought you had a lot of rodents?

I would put them at 10ft space at least.  8ft would be absolute minimum.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: Today at 11:15:04 AM »
Nice to hear that you prefer the stewart over mexicola. I expect mine to do better than my other two trees as it's my most cold hardy variety. How heavily does it produce, and do you know if it's alternate bearing?
My wife was trying to talk me in to planting a mexicola because she had one and liked it and I don't want to plant another tree... haha.

Stewart sets and holds a lot of avos.  No its not alternate bearing, the fruit are only on the tree half a year so it can fruit every year and not get bogged down with last years fruit.  It will grow better if you thin the fruit.  Its one of the trees that fruits so hard it doesn't spend enough time actually growing.

One thing I really dont like about this tree is the fruit gets ripe really fast and falls off the tree.  They go from green to black in a few weeks then end up on the ground where animals and birds get them.  You have to take the fruit on its schedule not yours. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: Today at 10:59:27 AM »
Brad, why don't you top work your mexicola to Stewart! Nice avo's i love Stewart 8)

Even though stewart is a nice avocado, it doesnt really perform well here.  Its not a vigorous tree and suffers in the intense heat here.  Its nice to eat this time of year when most stuff is out of season, thats about it.  Doubful I would be able to market these.  They have a very short season and short shelf life.  So one tree for the family is good. I will be planting more lamb hass trees.

I considered stumping the mexicola and grafting onto it but feel its better to remove it completely and start with a freshly grafted rootstock and completely eliminate the interstock.  The tree is still young enough the stump should be able to be removed.

Ive got a new mexicola grande tree I grafted this summer and planted out a couple months ago.  It is doing really well so far.  Very upright and vigorous.   Too soon to call it a success.  Probably get some fruit off it in 2020.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: Today at 10:30:09 AM »
Heres some stewart avocados next to lamb hass.  The stewarts are really nice avocados and only take 6 or 7 months to mature.  The lamb hass had an extra year on the tree.  Lamb hass season is from mid summer until fall.  Stewart is now during fall.  The stewarts get ripe and fall off the tree which is not great.  Animals get them if you don't go collect them often.  These stewarts are so much better than mexicola, I am going to dig out my mexicola tree and make mulch out of it.

Lamb hass on top, stewart on bottom



Stewarts cut open

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: October 20, 2018, 07:34:54 PM »
You really should get ahold of some Sugar Dragon variety. I personally havnt tried the new, larger yellow fruits that have started showing up recently, but I know I wasn't a fan of the original yellow Megalanthus. It wasn't its sugar content either that turned me off, in fact, it was almost the opposite. To me, Megalanthus yellow tastes almost entirely of sugar, like eating old time rock candy, pure sweet but no other flavor. I do know some of the darker reds and magentas are getting pushed into high sugar production, but for me its not all about sweet. Add a bit of fruity flavor to that, though , and now we're talking.
Having said that, Im hoping I can get a chance to check out that new yellow variety sometime soon to I can give an honest, personal, comparison.

Its just sugar flavor again.

I had some sugar bomb american beauties here that were as sweet as the yellows plus a nice grape floral rose flavor.  Excellent.  I prefer that any day over the giant yellow. The fruits are larger and easier to grow too.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sugar cane starters
« on: October 20, 2018, 01:24:13 PM »
The sugar cane juice from Simon’s plants are absolutely amazing. Just wish I had the space to grow some.

There should be so much you guys can come get car loads of it for free in a couple years.

I shipped everyones orders this morning.  Emails with tracking are in your paypal email address boxes. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 20, 2018, 12:51:09 PM »
This is another project we have been working on for 3 or 4 months.  Just finished a week or so ago.  We cleared a quarter or half an acre or so of hillside and planted 50 mango trees.  The trees are on a 15x15 spacing. Theres some FL grafted trees, some FL seed stocks and some CA rootstock grafted with FL selections.  It doesnt look like much now but these trees are out on a prime location here with full south exposure and deep draining DG soil in the hottest are of coastal CA. 


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 20, 2018, 08:55:51 AM »
Matt, home depot trees are fine.  They come from the same nursery as most of the other places selling avo trees.  Most likely lavern nursery.  Ive got several of their hass trees.

If you get a large tree they have a few issues.  They usually are staked up because they are weak from being in a nursery forever.  The roots are not in great shape after being in a pot for years.  And when you plant a tree that already has fruit on it the tree is going to put its energy into that instead of establishing good roots and solid branches.  You are much beter off starting with a 5gal tree that isnt staked up.  Look for one with a nice single main trunk that is standing on its own.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 09:32:45 PM »
Simon, thanks fo the sugar cane juice.  We have been drinking it with limes and water.  Im about to sample some with some pomagranite liqueur and then go for the key lime margarita with reposado and make some guacamole.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy avocados for sale
« on: October 19, 2018, 07:08:42 PM »
Stewart is much better than mexicola.  You really should start seeds there and then get scionwood from someone here and have a grafted tree true to type.  Then you can do whatever you want with it, use scions or seeds to sell and propogate.
Are you sure? I've read 26F° cold tolerant for stewart and 16F° for mexicola...

I was talking about the fruit quality being much better.

If all you care about is cold tolerance and you believe everything you read online sure grow Mexicola.  Are there any real scientific studies done with these varieties to test cold tolerance?  Where did the 26 and 16f numbers come from?  The same farm/university study or two random people on the internet?

Also if you get seeds of mexicola, or any other avocado its probably not going to be a pure mexican plant.  Most likely cross pollinated unless the person with the seeds says otherwise.  In that case all bets are off for its cold tolerance.  You would need a grafted tree of mexicola I would think to guarantee the trait you want.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 05:24:41 PM »
You are not going to be happy but wonderful is a really sub par pomagranite.  I have one of them.  The seeds are big and hard and leave you with a mouth of seed.  Im going to yank mine and put in a new one.  Ive got a couple other types that are keepers. 

I got my plants as little starter sleves for 20$ from the local nursery.  They were dave wilson starter plants. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Today’s Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 02:57:10 PM »
Wonderful fruit basket, Simon.
I have parfianka and sirnevyi pomegranate trees,
Have not gotten single fruit in last 2.5 years despite
Fertilizing. Thinking to yank them out.

-FruitFool

That sounds really strange.  Poms are prolific with very little effort here.  Did they bloom?

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Pink key finger lime,  pink mexican caviar, pink key lime caviar,  mexican finger lime....

Kevins pink caviar

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Kevin this is very cool.  Is this your own creation?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 19, 2018, 12:49:28 AM »
Matt,
If your goal is a Hass-like avocado and you want to keep the tree to 15 feet, maybe you should just plant a Hass. I have a Hass that I keep to 15 feet, and it's easily done. I'm certain you can manage it.

That would be too easy...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold hardy avocados for sale
« on: October 18, 2018, 02:53:14 PM »
Stewart is much better than mexicola.  You really should start seeds there and then get scionwood from someone here and have a grafted tree true to type.  Then you can do whatever you want with it, use scions or seeds to sell and propogate. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: October 18, 2018, 02:49:23 PM »
Not sure about leaf miner on DF.  Probably if they arent allowed on your oranges they have to go somewhere...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Jade Pineapple
« on: October 18, 2018, 02:05:35 PM »
Nice job Simon, am surprised at the low brix.  The store bought "twistees" are not only sweet and rich, they're free starts.

My dos centavos - no Osmocote near the leaves or cup, only scratched into the top of the soil.  The salts are too concentrated at the tissue where it's contacting.   I use a Polyon 18-4-9 or Osmocote Indoor/Outdoor which is still high N.  Trust me, that Peters applied often in the cup with an occasional fresh water flush will set those plants on fire.  That's what they do in the commercial fields, fertilize using overhead spray booms running down the rows.

 

Mark, I put some osmocote pro 8 month in all the pots and some of the fancy organic stuff with innoculant when I made the mix.  I used cactus mix and perlite in 7gal pots.  Using RO water 2 to 3 times then RO with dynagro foliage pro.  And foliar feeding dynagro and seaweed extract occasionally.   I can switch it up and use the peters jacks high performance on it too.  Im going to run half of them in the greenhouse over winter.  Only issue with that is when I bring things outside in spring the foliage is not as hardened off as plants that stay outside.  Even its a problem on dragonfruit.  The plants get a bit spoiled in the GH with all the humidity and shade cloth.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sugar cane starters
« on: October 18, 2018, 01:58:46 PM »
Getting more pieces tomorrow from Simon and filling orders.  There were a ton of people who ordered.  Thank you everyone. If anyone wants more today is the last day to let me know.  We are going to harvest and ship tomorrow and saturday and close the sale.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sugar cane starters
« on: October 17, 2018, 07:19:14 PM »
I used some of simons juice to make margaritas that came out excellent.  Home grown key lime, sugar cane juice, splash of water, and a shot of reposado.

You could also add passionfruit juice or other acidic fruit/citrus with it or add to a smoothie...  I cant wait to get these established here. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:59:59 PM »
FYI: The GEM Avocado was named after commercial Dragon Fruit grower Gray Martin. GEM is his initials.

A picture of Gray on the Left.



Ricshaw, whats the patent or legalities surrounding propogation of gem avo trees?  Any ideas?  I would propogate some of these trees but don't want anyone kicking my door in at 3am or sending me a million dollar fine.  Seems like a lot of people are asking for it.

I think it is a Patent variety. That depends, I am not an expert... Do you plan on selling trees labeled GEM?



BTW: Gray Martin DOES NOT own the patent. I think the University Of California and/or Brokaw does.

I am not planning on anything.  Just curious how serious they are about people not selling these trees.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: pulling out white sapote
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:44:37 PM »
It will not like having its tap root severed.  But, they are pretty tough and can be moved.  I planted one and then decided later to move it.  It was a seedling plant and about 3 or 4 ft tall when I dug it up and moved it.  So you should be OK.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: GEM avocado in Los Angeles area?
« on: October 17, 2018, 02:38:14 PM »
FYI: The GEM Avocado was named after commercial Dragon Fruit grower Gray Martin. GEM is his initials.

A picture of Gray on the Left.



Ricshaw, whats the patent or legalities surrounding propogation of gem avo trees?  Any ideas?  I would propogate some of these trees but don't want anyone kicking my door in at 3am or sending me a million dollar fine.  Seems like a lot of people are asking for it. 

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