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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of pest control do you use?
« on: November 12, 2018, 03:07:53 AM »
That's not good. What can I use to kill them around my house? I'd spray or do whatever to kill them around the perimeter of my house? What can I use in my pots?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of pest control do you use?
« on: November 11, 2018, 09:50:57 PM »
These are the bugs I'm talking about. They are everywhere. Plants are healthy so I don't knew if they are good it bad.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: November 08, 2018, 10:12:03 PM »
Texas is huge and have many temp zones. That means that map is poop.

I'm in no rush. I can wait till next year or even later. I was hoping that I can just plant them in ground and not have to lug them in when it gets cold. I'm willing to plant them in a pot like all my other plants. How big do these trees grow? I hope not too big because lugging it would be easier on my back.

I have plenty of shade on one side of my house. This may be a good spot for this plant if it grows.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What type of pest control do you use?
« on: November 08, 2018, 08:35:59 PM »

Instead of re-posting this question. I have revived this thread. I'm looking for something to treat my fruit plants with before I put them in the garage for the winter. My plants seem to be doing well however, there are lots of bugs crawling in the pots. I specifically have a butt load (lots!! o them!!) of these little white bugs crawling about under the mulch in my pots. I don't want these bugs moving into my house from the garage or invite something like termites or other home invading insect to my home.

What do you guys/gals use to treat insects in or on your fruit plants?


Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw inquiry
« on: November 08, 2018, 12:07:05 AM »
Can I get in line for possible Paw Paw seeds? I keep my eyes open when I walk with my wife (they are suppose to grow wild in TX) but never came across one. Perhaps it's because I don't know what I'm looking for. PM me your pay pal.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Indoor citrus/fruit tree grow lights?
« on: October 01, 2018, 01:09:03 AM »
First I will say hello.  This is my first post after lurking for a couple of years.  Also thanks for all the useful information you folks post on here it has been of great help.

I have used a huge T5 unit 4 foot 12 bulb for the last couple of years as a primary light source in winter.I had considered traditional 1000 watt and even cmh 315 watt options but they would have been within inches of wooden support beams so I decided it wasn't worth the risk.  My experience with T5 has been that it will keep the trees alive but they will not thrive under them especially when used as a primary source.  Replacement bulbs are pricey with the risk of breakage in transport.  When I purchased this unit Led lights were expensive and I didn't care for the options.  I need a new light for a single Tangerine tree which will be by itself in front of the patio door.  I have found two options that appear to be good options but I cannot vouch for them at this point.  The first is Quantum boards from Horticulture lighting group.  I have no affiliation with them and will probably avoid them due to high shipping cost to Canada.  If you are in America they ship for free so it might be a good option for lighting. 

The alternative is to build my own Led light using Samsung F strips which ends up being cheaper.  I will be building a light using either 4 or 5 two foot F strips for my Tangerine.  If it works well I will build a unit using 4 foot strips for my trees that receive no sun.  I have not seen either this type of build or a Quantum board build used for Citrus so I cannot vouch for them yet.  Marijuana growers seem to really like both of these types of lights for efficiency and heat reduction as well as good penetration.  I will update on the lights once I see some results.

This link below talks about 3 different Samsung strip leds and a bridgelux.  It also shows grow light configurations that can be built using the strips.  It's a nice little guide.

Ah, very good info. I forgot about DIY kits. Again, in reference to feeding, we call them retrofit kits. They are simply the wires, ballast and endcaps or sockets to connect the bulbs. It's a bare bone diy option if all you want is a light system.

Good post North.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Indoor citrus/fruit tree grow lights?
« on: September 30, 2018, 10:02:43 PM »
 Great breakdown, thank you.....Good point about the amount of lights needed for LED as opposed to Halide. How does T5 stack up to these two?

I also had t5 HO (high output) lighting on my reefing tank. T5 are nice but they have limited use. They don't pack as much of a punch as far as light output but they work well enough. I used them as supplement lighting over my reef. The MH did most of the growing and the T5 in good reflectors supplied the "color pop" for my corals. What you Reflectors are key to getting the most out of T5 HO lighting systems. T5 is actually the size of the bulbs. They are thinner than T8 bulbs. These are the ones you typically see in the ceilings of office buildings and such. Due to the smaller size, T5 you can fit more bulbs in the same space. Adding a good parabolic reflector greatly increases your lighting downward. Reflectors simply redirect light to where we can benefit from it. T5 bulbs are long and tubular. They are usually laid flat on a horizontal plane. The The light shines 360 degrees however, we generally only place plants on 1 side, usually under the light. Well, if we only place plants on 1 side of the 360 degree shining bulb, we will only use 180degrees of the light produced. By placing a good reflector above these bulbs, we are able to reflect this wasted top half (the other 180 degree of light) downward to be used.

A simple break down of light wave length is with ROYGBIV (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet). Colors on the left are easier to produce and require less energy to produce. Natural sun light is something like 5200k to 5700k IRRC. The lower the number the more you go left in color. Just take a look at the bulbs at the big box stores and see what I mean. You will notice that these bulbs of the same type will be cheaper and produce more candles/lumens for watt the more left you go. The opposite is true as you move right. The more violet (right) you go, the more energy (watt) is needed to produce the same amount of candles/lumens.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Indoor citrus/fruit tree grow lights?
« on: September 29, 2018, 02:39:30 AM »
I'm new to plant growing but I understand a decent amount on lighting due to my old hobby, reef keeping (I use to grow coral in my living room). Here is a simple breakdown of LED and metal halide.

Pro: better at producing specific wave length, strong par/watt ratio, less heat (but still produces a decent amount of heat), bulbs are more durable (harder to break and last longer), directional light so it shines on whatever area you want it to

Cons: initial cost although prices are significantly less than what they were years ago, because they are so directional, you will need more to cover a larger area, not as powerful as MH,

Pro: strong light that can pack lots of punch, can be purchase at big box stores, produces heat so it can provide frost protection, not directional so 1 bulb can cover a lot of area (I plan to use 1 250 or 400 watt bulb to light my whole garage up. This will keep it frost free and give adequate lighting for all 30 or so plants.),

Cons: you need to replace the bulb every few years because the bulb wave length will change as the bulb burns and gets older/used, easier to break as they are made of glass, not as precise in color spectrum (but I think it's healthy for plants to have a arrays of colors vs a few specific light colors),

I personally think it's a toss up on cost. LED cost more to buy initially vs MH. However, 1 MH can cover a lot of area. I had used 2 LED grow fixtures to cover my plants last winter. This year, the plants are bigger than last year. this same area would easily be covered by a single MH. The cost to purchase 2 units vs 1 is a consideration. Also, the cost of running LED bank vs 1 MH cancels that price point out too. The MH bulbs in the aquarium hobby are good from 8mo to 14 mo running around 8 hours a day. After that, they don't produce the wave lengths and algae will start growing.

From my aquarium reefing days, I observe way better growth with MH than LED. The MH just had more punch to the light. This is why I will be digging out my old MH system and will be lighting my plants in the garage with a single bulb.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Osmocote on sale (Amazon)
« on: September 18, 2018, 11:32:14 AM »
I just saw this deal on Amazon. 8 more minutes before the deal is over. Apparently, this deal is only in the am.

Its 10;32am now

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Osmocote on sale (Amazon)
« on: September 12, 2018, 07:33:35 PM »
Amazon says 8lbs/$19.87 for me. Still $2 cheaper than the local store. Not worth stocking for $2 for me. Thanks for the head up though.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: July 29, 2018, 02:09:52 AM »
How big or mature do these vines need to be before they produce fruit? I bought a small vine from the nursery about 2 or 3 months ago. I have replanted it into a bigger and deeper pot. The pot is a little bigger than a 6gal paint bucket. It has grown 2x longer/bigger. The main stalk is about 1/2'' think.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind are these? Store bought.
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:08:27 PM »
Thanks everyone. Now I have 2 bars to compare other mangos to. I read and have watched lots of vids on different mango, but I have no bases to compare them to other than store bought ones. Now that I know the name and flavor of the two, I can somewhat paint a better picture. Thanks all

Tropical Fruit Discussion / what kind are these? Store bought.
« on: July 10, 2018, 11:24:48 AM »
My family and I have been binging on fruit for the last few months. I have had fazes where we would eat lots of one kind of fruit then get tired and move on to the next. This is a good thing as fruit season changes throughout the year. I really don't know my fruit season but I do know when they are on sale and cheaper than regular. he he 

Anyhow, I'm a fan of the Adolfo (honey/champagne) mango due to there sweetness, no fiber, and cheap (3/$1). However, they have a simple taste. To me, they have a slight hint of mango taste with just about no acidity and sweet like table sugar. My wife likes the other big mango. I don't know what type they are the reason for this post. they are big, and 1/$1 right now. They have minimal fiber, sweet when fully ripen/soft to the touch. They are not as sugar sweet like the Adolfo and have more acidity, more mango-ish flavor. I know store bought mango are junk compared to what can be grown but they are cheap and still taste good to us.

My 2 Mango trees have doubled in size since I bought them. I plan to keep them in pots forever if possible. The bigger one is a Cogshall. The smaller one is a Nam Duc Mai whic was only 12'' tall when I bought it. The local Nursery said that's as big as they are able to order due to high demand. The place they order from don't have time to let them grown bigger. People just snatch them up.

What kind of mango is this?

These are my 2 mango trees trees. I think I would like to add another one that is prolific and compact like the Dwarf Hawaiian but, I can't find one and the wife probably will not approve of another plant.


Last weekend I was able to get back to the homestead and put some more work into the build. I marked out the 4 corners first. After the corners were marked, I tied up some string so that I could mark out where to drill down the line. I splurged a little and will be putting post every 3' instead of the standard 4'. Why? Because the cost for the two extra hoops or so is minimal and I get a structure that is extremely strong. The post are 8' x 1 5/8'' fence post. We used a post hole drill attached to the trusty tractor and went on with drilling. This saves a lot of time and effort. Even with an extension on the auger, we could not get the ground post in deep enough so I had to hammer then down a good 18''. It was tough work as there is a lot of clay down there. We will end up cutting 12'' off the post before we continue with putting the rest of the post in the ground. The structure will be higher than what I would like, but my pops wants it higher so he can have bigger plants inside. The ground post will be 7' long and 3.5' of it sticking above ground. We will then attach the hoops to these post once that are cemented or concreted whichever one is cheaper. That's all for now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:11:19 PM »
And so time has passed and we have done a little bit of work. Turns out we will make it a little smaller than what we originally planned. The hoop house (HH) will be 20'x50'. I have bought, used and bent the hoops. My dad soften up the plot already. I Asked my brother if I could borrow his post hole digger and he brought it over last Saturday. I'm hoping we will lay out the perimeter of the HH and put down the posts soon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:38:02 AM »
That's what I'm planning. We really don't get too cold. It's only a freek occasion that it happens but with global warming and erratic storms that we get now-a-days, you never know. I was thinking I plan to leave my tropical plants (whatever they may be) potted. That way, I can move them closer to the thermo-mass rocket heater I plan to build. They will have some decent cold protection from it.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:34:59 AM »


Wholefoods usually carry them.  If not now, in the summer.  Night shift does take a toll on health too.  Circadian rhythms link via food and light levels all the way through mitochondria to DNA, genetic expressions.  There are lots of good podcasts around on sleep science...far more insight than mainstream medicine generally provides.

Oh I hear you. I think I'm more of an evening person then a night or morning person. 12hr shifts and a stressful job is not good for the body, or mind. Ohh well, it is what it is for now.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:21:55 AM »
I sure will. I plan to somewhat itemize everything rounding up. I plan to build it sometime in March also.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 25, 2018, 01:03:07 AM »
This is some good info as I have sleeping problems. This is partly why I work the night shift. Working night shift takes a toll on my relationship though. Even my days off I have a hard time sleeping at night and struggle staying up during the day spending time with the family. Where are you guys finding passion fruit at? I can't find any at my local stores to take the seeds and plant. Maybe it's not the right season?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: February 24, 2018, 11:25:49 PM »
I have started putting together and purchasing parts of my hoop house. I'm building this hoop house at my parents' homestead on the outskirts of Houston. They have 2 acres and are always fiddling out in the yard. Winter is their boring season as they basically huddle inside the majority of the time. Our winters are generally not that cold as I am able to run around in shorts and t-shirts through the majority of it. However, snow and cold ice freezes have been more common lately. These oddball events occur a day or two at a time and only once or twice a year. They don't occur every year either. However, I would like to stop bagging, dragging, and carrying lots and lots of pots to a makeshift greenhouse that we raise each year. It's just too much work!! The plants take a beating and it takes a good amount of work putting up the makeshift shelter each winter.

I have decided to take the leap and make a simple hoop house. They can get a jump start on and prolong their growing season with a nice hoop house. The hoop house will about 72' or 73' by 20' wide. I am undecided on the height of the structure but I'm thinking 11' tall. This will allow easier access to the two ends and they will have a short vertical ground post sides. The height will also allow trees to be grown a little taller before they have to be pruned.

So far, I have only purchased the hoop bender and the 1 3/8' x 10.5' top rails. I am currently in the process of bending those hoops. It's a decent amount of work given the fact that I plan to space those hoops at about 3' apart. Why you may ask? Because 1, they occasionally get strong winds; 2, more ribs = less flopping of the covering which in turn will reduce wear and tear; 3, it's only a difference of about $150 to significantly strengthen the structure.

I'll keep this first post up to date with prices (rounded up) on the material spent.

-hoop benders (I bought 3 sizes in case I felt like raising a smaller one (10' or 12' wide) at my house in the subburbs)= $130
-1 3/8' galvanized top rail ($12.48/each or bulk price if bought 30+ $10.24/each)= $700 thus far. I will need more as I need to but stiffening and perlins

I have bent about 45 of them. I still have more to do.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A shovel, wheel barrow and sweat
« on: February 10, 2018, 01:19:56 AM »
Thank for the kind words. Me GF and I are having lots of fun planting. She want to save every seed so she can plant them. It's almost getting out of hand. Yes it was a lot of work. Building the boxes themselves was not bad. I enjoy woodworking. But, moving the 2 truck loads of soil was not fun.

I'm just north of Houston. I just missed their sale. It's okay though. I heard it's a madhouse when the sale starts. People lining up long before anything goes on sale and everyone grabs plants, buying them within the first few hours. One day I will make it to the event. Looks really fun. However, the local nursery (J.R.N.) sells lots of good plants at a decent price. I would sure love to meet some people and learn and steal ideas  from them. I'm thinking of adding some compact mango , avocado (one that taste good) and jackfruit trees if I can find them.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / A shovel, wheel barrow and sweat
« on: February 09, 2018, 10:00:50 PM »
Wow, I'm tired! My GF are new gardeners and have been bit by the bug pretty hard. I hope we do okay since we spent so much $$ and time on these plants. Anyhow, I made some planter boxes and some herb boxes for our house. Herb boxes are about 23''W x 12''D x 5'' tall. The planter boxes are 3'W x 6'D X 14'' tall and one that is only 12'' tall.

I bought 1 cu. yard of garden dirt and 1 cu. compost mix. It took lots of sweat and work but I got it done. The planter boxes only needed about 1.5 cu yards to fill. I spread some of the left over on the yard to patch the holes and dips.

These are my trees. I have Owari satsuma, Moro blood orange, Lychee, Joey avocado, Lila avocado, Valentine pomelo, Fuyu persimmon, Hachiya persimmon, loquat, pineapple, miracle fruit, Meyor lemon, pomegranate, and newly planted bare root Ozark strawberries.

My GF has pretty much the same plants  but she put the in the front yard.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Houston member hoop bender pass it on
« on: February 09, 2018, 09:32:27 PM »
Hello all, I bought a few hoop benders and would like to offer it to the community. I have the DY-20, DY-12, and DY-10. What I want to do is offer rental for these benders to the local community to borrow (Houston area only, sorry). How it will work is you will send me a PM with your real name and number. I will then post your name on a list that I will create and edit as others request to use it. We can make arrangement to meet at my place or somewhere to exchange a $60/per bender collateral for the ~1wk rental. Once you return the bender I will return you your $58. I will keep $2 as rental fee as the bender will inevitably will need replacement.

With that said, I have yet to use these benders as I'm still in the planning stages of building a hoop house. Once I am ready, I will put myself on the top of the list and will be next up to use the bender.

I know we Houstonians already have a nice gardening community but I would like to add to it. I am a new gardener and will love to learn, chit chat and maybe get seeds of rare/hard- to- find plants once I get the hang of growing things (I'm willing pay if it's in my budget).



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: End of January Harvest
« on: February 03, 2018, 02:07:22 AM »
ohh wow!! I wish I could grow mangosteen and durian. I might have to look into a compact plant for a green house. That is such a nice array of fruits!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 28, 2018, 10:26:59 AM »
Omg so sorry Mark. I'd be so pissed! Hell I'm pissed right now that my passion fruit vine died!

What a nice hoop house! There one I plan to build will be late budget. I like that rocket mass heater. Will most likely add that idea. Anyhow, you guys are cool! I want to join the cool hoop/green house kids.


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