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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: July 29, 2018, 02:09:52 AM »
How big or mature do these vines need to be before they produce fruit? I bought a small vine from the nursery about 2 or 3 months ago. I have replanted it into a bigger and deeper pot. The pot is a little bigger than a 6gal paint bucket. It has grown 2x longer/bigger. The main stalk is about 1/2'' think.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: what kind are these? Store bought.
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:08:27 PM »
Thanks everyone. Now I have 2 bars to compare other mangos to. I read and have watched lots of vids on different mango, but I have no bases to compare them to other than store bought ones. Now that I know the name and flavor of the two, I can somewhat paint a better picture. Thanks all

Tropical Fruit Discussion / what kind are these? Store bought.
« on: July 10, 2018, 11:24:48 AM »
My family and I have been binging on fruit for the last few months. I have had fazes where we would eat lots of one kind of fruit then get tired and move on to the next. This is a good thing as fruit season changes throughout the year. I really don't know my fruit season but I do know when they are on sale and cheaper than regular. he he 

Anyhow, I'm a fan of the Adolfo (honey/champagne) mango due to there sweetness, no fiber, and cheap (3/$1). However, they have a simple taste. To me, they have a slight hint of mango taste with just about no acidity and sweet like table sugar. My wife likes the other big mango. I don't know what type they are the reason for this post. they are big, and 1/$1 right now. They have minimal fiber, sweet when fully ripen/soft to the touch. They are not as sugar sweet like the Adolfo and have more acidity, more mango-ish flavor. I know store bought mango are junk compared to what can be grown but they are cheap and still taste good to us.

My 2 Mango trees have doubled in size since I bought them. I plan to keep them in pots forever if possible. The bigger one is a Cogshall. The smaller one is a Nam Duc Mai whic was only 12'' tall when I bought it. The local Nursery said that's as big as they are able to order due to high demand. The place they order from don't have time to let them grown bigger. People just snatch them up.

What kind of mango is this?

These are my 2 mango trees trees. I think I would like to add another one that is prolific and compact like the Dwarf Hawaiian but, I can't find one and the wife probably will not approve of another plant.


Last weekend I was able to get back to the homestead and put some more work into the build. I marked out the 4 corners first. After the corners were marked, I tied up some string so that I could mark out where to drill down the line. I splurged a little and will be putting post every 3' instead of the standard 4'. Why? Because the cost for the two extra hoops or so is minimal and I get a structure that is extremely strong. The post are 8' x 1 5/8'' fence post. We used a post hole drill attached to the trusty tractor and went on with drilling. This saves a lot of time and effort. Even with an extension on the auger, we could not get the ground post in deep enough so I had to hammer then down a good 18''. It was tough work as there is a lot of clay down there. We will end up cutting 12'' off the post before we continue with putting the rest of the post in the ground. The structure will be higher than what I would like, but my pops wants it higher so he can have bigger plants inside. The ground post will be 7' long and 3.5' of it sticking above ground. We will then attach the hoops to these post once that are cemented or concreted whichever one is cheaper. That's all for now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: April 17, 2018, 10:11:19 PM »
And so time has passed and we have done a little bit of work. Turns out we will make it a little smaller than what we originally planned. The hoop house (HH) will be 20'x50'. I have bought, used and bent the hoops. My dad soften up the plot already. I Asked my brother if I could borrow his post hole digger and he brought it over last Saturday. I'm hoping we will lay out the perimeter of the HH and put down the posts soon.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:38:02 AM »
That's what I'm planning. We really don't get too cold. It's only a freek occasion that it happens but with global warming and erratic storms that we get now-a-days, you never know. I was thinking I plan to leave my tropical plants (whatever they may be) potted. That way, I can move them closer to the thermo-mass rocket heater I plan to build. They will have some decent cold protection from it.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:34:59 AM »


Wholefoods usually carry them.  If not now, in the summer.  Night shift does take a toll on health too.  Circadian rhythms link via food and light levels all the way through mitochondria to DNA, genetic expressions.  There are lots of good podcasts around on sleep science...far more insight than mainstream medicine generally provides.

Oh I hear you. I think I'm more of an evening person then a night or morning person. 12hr shifts and a stressful job is not good for the body, or mind. Ohh well, it is what it is for now.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: February 27, 2018, 10:21:55 AM »
I sure will. I plan to somewhat itemize everything rounding up. I plan to build it sometime in March also.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Don't throw away those passionfruit leaves!
« on: February 25, 2018, 01:03:07 AM »
This is some good info as I have sleeping problems. This is partly why I work the night shift. Working night shift takes a toll on my relationship though. Even my days off I have a hard time sleeping at night and struggle staying up during the day spending time with the family. Where are you guys finding passion fruit at? I can't find any at my local stores to take the seeds and plant. Maybe it's not the right season?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Slow hoop house build at the homestead
« on: February 24, 2018, 11:25:49 PM »
I have started putting together and purchasing parts of my hoop house. I'm building this hoop house at my parents' homestead on the outskirts of Houston. They have 2 acres and are always fiddling out in the yard. Winter is their boring season as they basically huddle inside the majority of the time. Our winters are generally not that cold as I am able to run around in shorts and t-shirts through the majority of it. However, snow and cold ice freezes have been more common lately. These oddball events occur a day or two at a time and only once or twice a year. They don't occur every year either. However, I would like to stop bagging, dragging, and carrying lots and lots of pots to a makeshift greenhouse that we raise each year. It's just too much work!! The plants take a beating and it takes a good amount of work putting up the makeshift shelter each winter.

I have decided to take the leap and make a simple hoop house. They can get a jump start on and prolong their growing season with a nice hoop house. The hoop house will about 72' or 73' by 20' wide. I am undecided on the height of the structure but I'm thinking 11' tall. This will allow easier access to the two ends and they will have a short vertical ground post sides. The height will also allow trees to be grown a little taller before they have to be pruned.

So far, I have only purchased the hoop bender and the 1 3/8' x 10.5' top rails. I am currently in the process of bending those hoops. It's a decent amount of work given the fact that I plan to space those hoops at about 3' apart. Why you may ask? Because 1, they occasionally get strong winds; 2, more ribs = less flopping of the covering which in turn will reduce wear and tear; 3, it's only a difference of about $150 to significantly strengthen the structure.

I'll keep this first post up to date with prices (rounded up) on the material spent.

-hoop benders (I bought 3 sizes in case I felt like raising a smaller one (10' or 12' wide) at my house in the subburbs)= $130
-1 3/8' galvanized top rail ($12.48/each or bulk price if bought 30+ $10.24/each)= $700 thus far. I will need more as I need to but stiffening and perlins

I have bent about 45 of them. I still have more to do.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A shovel, wheel barrow and sweat
« on: February 10, 2018, 01:19:56 AM »
Thank for the kind words. Me GF and I are having lots of fun planting. She want to save every seed so she can plant them. It's almost getting out of hand. Yes it was a lot of work. Building the boxes themselves was not bad. I enjoy woodworking. But, moving the 2 truck loads of soil was not fun.

I'm just north of Houston. I just missed their sale. It's okay though. I heard it's a madhouse when the sale starts. People lining up long before anything goes on sale and everyone grabs plants, buying them within the first few hours. One day I will make it to the event. Looks really fun. However, the local nursery (J.R.N.) sells lots of good plants at a decent price. I would sure love to meet some people and learn and steal ideas  from them. I'm thinking of adding some compact mango , avocado (one that taste good) and jackfruit trees if I can find them.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / A shovel, wheel barrow and sweat
« on: February 09, 2018, 10:00:50 PM »
Wow, I'm tired! My GF are new gardeners and have been bit by the bug pretty hard. I hope we do okay since we spent so much $$ and time on these plants. Anyhow, I made some planter boxes and some herb boxes for our house. Herb boxes are about 23''W x 12''D x 5'' tall. The planter boxes are 3'W x 6'D X 14'' tall and one that is only 12'' tall.

I bought 1 cu. yard of garden dirt and 1 cu. compost mix. It took lots of sweat and work but I got it done. The planter boxes only needed about 1.5 cu yards to fill. I spread some of the left over on the yard to patch the holes and dips.

These are my trees. I have Owari satsuma, Moro blood orange, Lychee, Joey avocado, Lila avocado, Valentine pomelo, Fuyu persimmon, Hachiya persimmon, loquat, pineapple, miracle fruit, Meyor lemon, pomegranate, and newly planted bare root Ozark strawberries.

My GF has pretty much the same plants  but she put the in the front yard.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Houston member hoop bender pass it on
« on: February 09, 2018, 09:32:27 PM »
Hello all, I bought a few hoop benders and would like to offer it to the community. I have the DY-20, DY-12, and DY-10. What I want to do is offer rental for these benders to the local community to borrow (Houston area only, sorry). How it will work is you will send me a PM with your real name and number. I will then post your name on a list that I will create and edit as others request to use it. We can make arrangement to meet at my place or somewhere to exchange a $60/per bender collateral for the ~1wk rental. Once you return the bender I will return you your $58. I will keep $2 as rental fee as the bender will inevitably will need replacement.

With that said, I have yet to use these benders as I'm still in the planning stages of building a hoop house. Once I am ready, I will put myself on the top of the list and will be next up to use the bender.

I know we Houstonians already have a nice gardening community but I would like to add to it. I am a new gardener and will love to learn, chit chat and maybe get seeds of rare/hard- to- find plants once I get the hang of growing things (I'm willing pay if it's in my budget).



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: End of January Harvest
« on: February 03, 2018, 02:07:22 AM »
ohh wow!! I wish I could grow mangosteen and durian. I might have to look into a compact plant for a green house. That is such a nice array of fruits!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: January 28, 2018, 10:26:59 AM »
Omg so sorry Mark. I'd be so pissed! Hell I'm pissed right now that my passion fruit vine died!

What a nice hoop house! There one I plan to build will be late budget. I like that rocket mass heater. Will most likely add that idea. Anyhow, you guys are cool! I want to join the cool hoop/green house kids.


Oh yes! It got really cold here in Spring Tx. I made me a small snowman with what we got on the porch. I hope the few plants I have under the tarp with 1 single 40watt bulb survive. They are all fairly young and in pots. The few in the garage are doing fine under the LED grow light. But yes, it got cold.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diy hoop bender measurements?
« on: January 09, 2018, 11:16:33 AM »
Awesome! PM sent! I though about that like and chalk idea already. I was even thinking of buying 30' worth of pvc pipe then arching it into a 21' wide arch. I would then trace that out and cut the wood to match. But, buying a used and good deal bender is even better!!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Diy hoop bender measurements?
« on: January 09, 2018, 04:23:52 AM »
Anyone have a diy hoop bender? I'm trying to find the measurements of the rounded part and the length from the end to end. I would like to be able to make one out of wood but much longer so that I only have to bend it a few times vs many times.

I'm specifically looking for the 20' we wide hoop but other sizes will be nice to know as well.


Awesome brain food. I think that is a good idea on bending the frames then measure the hoops to see what I need to order. I already have a 5'' post auger and tractor w/3pt. I can borrow my neighbor's boom thing that the auger attaches to. I also have an electric cement/concrete mixer so I'm just moving it from hole to hole with drop the concrete in. I'll take a look at recycled stuff. That's a good idea. 10' peak hoop house is pretty much perfect. I want it anywhere from 10' to 11' peak. There will be less chances of wind damage while allow me some room to grow taller plants. I'll have to top them yearly but that's okay. As for 2ply inflated, I'm not sure on what to do. I know for a fact that it's better but it also cost a good deal more. I'm trying to keep things simple as possible in case something does go wrong, my parents can maybe take care of it themselves before I have the time to come fix it. As for heating, I think burning free lumber would do a good job. I can get tons and tons of lumber for free off Craigslist. Maybe a simple wood burner or steel drum or 2 with water heat sinks close will do nicely. We just got to make sure that the fire don't go out of hand and melt the plastic.


I have question on poly covering size.

According to the DIY hoop bender for a 20'W hoop tunnel, you need three 10.5' sections of top rail.  I'm not sure how much of the swagged end slips over the non-swagged so I'm just going to count it as the whole length put end to end just for a safety bumper. This measures out to be roughly 31.5' of pipe bent, and connected to make the hoop. Now If I leave about 1' above ground in the ground post, I will have about 33.5' of hoop to cover. How wide do I order my poly? I will need a little extra on either ends so I can secure it to a roll up pipe for ventilation.

According to this chart from Bootstrap Farmers website, I need a 42' wide poly covering. Why the excess if I the hoop is only 33.5' in hoop length?

How deep are your group post? I have clay ground and plan to concrete every other post at the bottom with a bolt and nut put at the bottom so the concrete can really set and grab hold of the post.


Thanks, I'll have to look at your thread again. I really don't want to spend 5k. boo!!!! It really don't get too cold or freezing out here hence why I figured a single layer GH would work fine (with heat sink water barrels). I mean we only bag/tarp what we have now and they survive.

Keep it coming, the more brain food the better.


Pictures are always good so here are some pics of the homestead to share.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Green/hoop house questions if you would please
« on: December 23, 2017, 04:54:09 AM »
Hello and happy holidays!

I'm in the research and planning stage of raising a large green/hoop house at my parents' house. They live in the outskirt of Houston where they homestead raising chicken, ducks, quails and plant a good assortment of veggies. My siblings and I regularly visit them on the weekends (almost every weekend). My parents are older (70) but still stay active and love to work in the garden. As the cold comes, my siblings and I have to carry a bunch of plants to group them together to cover them with tarps, plastic, ect. to protect them. I'm tired of doing this and my parents don't have much to do since they can't grow anything in this cold season. They would also like to try their hands at other plants that would regularly not survive in our zone. this whole project will be a DIY project so that I may save $$. I'm not cheap per say but saving $ is good. I don't mind spending $ if I think it's worth it. I'm setting my budget at $2500 for this whole project. Again, I plan to build and DIY everything that I can so save $. Luckily I consider myself very handy and have a good amount of handyman skills/tools.

The plan:
-20'w x 50'l x 12' peak hoophouse (I would like to have more of a strait side so There would be more usable vertigo space). I just have to figure out where to raise the GH on the 2 acres property
-hand cranked roll up sides and auto open vent at top of end walls
-water from well and rain gutters (gutters later on)
-a small door at each end to go in and out
-a second door at the end large enough to drive a 1500 series through in case we ever need to do something in the off season.
-till up the greenhouse grass/dirt to make it softer/add a few truckloads of topsoil to add nutrients and make it easier for roots to grow down.
-dig a small trench near the greenhouse to control water drainage away during rain storms.

I plan to reserve about 15' of the last portion of the hoophouse to plant some trees (mango, avocado, lychee, logan, pineapples, passion fruit, dragon fruit and whatever else I see interesting).

The questions:
-Once the greenhouse is up and growing veggies, how are you transporting dirt/mulch ect. into the greenhouse? Remember, my parent are old so I'm trying to have it so that they can do things on their own.
-Flooring? This is a complex question I think. I plan to have some kind of solid flooring in 1 transporting lane. I think I'll lay bricks of maybe pour some concrete. What I mean by the transport lane is I plan to have a designated lane that will run down the length of the GH for the above question. I'm thinking a sturdy and solid base for this one lane will make it easier for my parents to roll and cart things around. The real question if what so I use for flooring for other areas of the GH that is not growing something?
-Shade cloth? Where to buy? What type?
-Poly sheet? Where and what kind did you buy? (I was thinking 6mil GH poly but unsure)
-For you windy people, how deep did you dig and anchor your poles? I planned to cement every other post and erecting the hoops 3' apart instead of 4' just to add strength but IDK.
-Pest control? We occasionally see wile animals such as birds, rabbits, snakes, foxes, and occasionally an escaped farm animal (horse, donkey, cow). How are you keeping these animals out of the GH when you open the doors or skirts? What about bugs inside the GH such as grasshoppers and such? I was thinking maybe getting some guinea hens to live int he GH to eat bugs?


That's the plan. Roll up the sides with a simple hand crank and a window or something at the top (open at bottom per your suggestion to control light). Then drip hoses on timers to water. If I ever make the 4.5 Drive to wine land, it would be awesome to be able to check your GH out.


What a good read! I think you just about have my dream greenhouse. I decided to build a hoophouse at my parents homestead and plant pineapple (idk why but I love the sweet tarts Tang of pineapple), cadoes, mangoes, Logan, lychee, citrus, and jackfruit. I would try a mangosteen if I can find the fruit/seed to sow. It would be super cool to grow a durian but they get to big and tall.


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