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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asiminaholics Anonymous
« on: September 18, 2015, 11:48:23 AM »
Quote from: huertasurbanas on September 18, 2015, 09:56:07 AM
Just to say hello to my "new" friends...
I thought all my small pawpaws (seeds from USA) died this summer/autumn, but now they started to sprout into the greenhouse, and I took them out because it's getting very hot there! From 20 seeds, now I have just 3 living trees... they are similar to jaboticabas, very weak at the start, dont like sun and dry climate...
Today I sow many seeds from Czechoslovakia and USA, I hope they will sprout in the next months... they were into the fridge (and maybe they are not viable, as they lack humidity into the ziploc bag...)

Awesome! are these from the seeds I sent you a long while ago?

I am planning to move my seedlings to full sun once they're about 18 inches tall.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A year in the life of a durian plant grower
« on: September 15, 2015, 02:51:52 PM »
Very interesting read - thanks for the time and effort invested to post it!

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asimina Trilobas in the wild
« on: September 14, 2015, 09:12:32 PM »
All the trees i so gleefully attempted to pollinate and the fruits I later bagged for protection ended up yielding precious few fruits.

All I got out of the whole deal were 3 small fruits. There had been 2 really big (for a wild tree anyway) fruits hanging out of reach but they were gone on my most recent visit.

Animals had raided all my bags except one.

But the 3 I had were good....they just make me want even more. The flavor is really indescribable. It is definitely a blend of flavors but completely unique among all the fruits i've tasted.
Oddly I get very little banana flavor...to me it's more cherimoya/pineapple/jackfruit/mango.

I may finally plant my seedlings next year but will also try again to pollinate these wild trees. I keep finding more.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 10, 2015, 06:22:47 PM »
Quote from: Delvi83 on September 10, 2015, 03:03:29 PM
How cold-resistant is Maypop? Is it like P. caraulea?
I believe P. cerulea is even more cold-hardy than P. incarnata, but very close. I believe P. incarnata can withstand negative temperatures Fahrenheit. Google can tell you for sure.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 09, 2015, 04:33:09 PM »
Quote from: TriangleJohn on September 08, 2015, 06:20:05 PM
I think a bigger market would be with the medicinal herb folks. I don't know if it is the dried flowers or leaves or roots but there is a demand for P. incarnata plant parts.

Yep it's the leaves, stems, and flowers that can be dried and used medicinally. I have tried it myself as a simple herbal tea and it really does seem to induce a restful sleep. Also said to have anti-anxiety effects.

The tea doesn't taste so good by itself, though.

I found that the skin of the ripe fruit has a very interesting taste. Sort of sweet/savory. It reminded me of fried durian chips I tried recently from a Thai market.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 04, 2015, 12:34:12 PM »
Quote from: TriangleJohn on September 04, 2015, 09:42:20 AM
Yep. This winter I'm taking out part of my long blackberry row to make room for a Maypop trellis. All my gardening friends think I am crazy. Which may be true, but not about passionvines.

Lol yep - I have grand plans for a big expansion of maypops in my fledgling garden. I need to figure out why my current vines are not happy though - whether soil, light (not likely) or the bottomless buried pots were the issue.
Can't decide whether to plant straight in ground or try pots again with 5-1-1 mix, or even in mounds.

I have fantasies of a big operation and selling to chefs or at farmers market but doubt that'll come about.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 03, 2015, 09:15:19 PM »
red letter day - I went to check on my last hanging fruit and it fell off right into my hand.

No 'possum's gonna get that sucker!!! I was so worried i'd lose it before I had time to build some kind of cage for it.

This one's a little bigger than a racquetball and spherical. Already starting to wrinkle a bit on the vine.

Has a wonderful fragrance.....

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 03, 2015, 02:41:06 PM »
Quote from: TriangleJohn on September 03, 2015, 12:59:35 PM
I've always sown the seeds in the fall and looked for sprouts the following summer - let winter do the hard work. Sometimes they sprout earlier and sometimes later. There is always a crowd of pots off in the corner of my garden during the winter. Even though I have a greenhouse where I sprout and root all sorts of plants, I find that winter hardy plants do better if allowed to sprout the normal way rather than speed things up in the heated gh - in the end you end up weak plants.

Good to know! So basically you are stratifying outdoors. Makes perfect sense for this temperate species. I am going to play around with it.

I also have about 7 cuttings that seem to be doing great, have already rooted. May plant those out soon or (more likely) let them overwinter outdoors with some protection for the roots.

I'm so excited that the fruit lived up to my hopes....I continue to be amazed that no one is talking about this fruit.

Every ol' timer I talk to about them says "they're terrible!" Lots of education to be done.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: September 03, 2015, 09:54:43 AM »
Well, Varmints ate the 2 biggest fruits off my white maypop vine.
I went out the other day to find the smallest of the fruits on the ground - a ripe fruit!
I left it on the counter for a few days and it wrinkled up as expected - all was going well.

It had a lovely fragrance - not pungent like an edulis - very fruity and pleasant.

I cut into it today and it was amazing!  Very sweet and flavorful. Virtually no sourness at all except at the very end, after sucking on the goop for several seconds.

So my question is......now that I have seeds, do I need to stratify them? I have read that this is required for Maypop and it makes some sense. But others including folks here have said nothing is required.

What should I do? (if nothing else I will stratify some and not others)

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit hunting in Iowa?
« on: August 25, 2015, 12:49:00 PM »
Quote from: Jared on August 25, 2015, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: Triloba Tracker on August 24, 2015, 03:15:08 PM
Good luck in Iowa! You might find some pawpaws. Look for woods and creeks, especially where forests border fields/clearings...look along this interface.

That's about all I can offer.

If you make it to Nashville any time, please let me know! I'd love to go Pawpaw and Maypop hunting with you.

EDIT: I would add that you may not find any ripe pawpaws in mid-September. Especially being a cooler zone, they may ripen even later in Iowa if you can find them.

Thanks for the tip!  I'll be there around the 19th. If there aren't paw paws there,  I may wander off to the paw paw festival in Ohio the week before. And definitely, always happy to fruit hunt with some company. I don't have plans to visit TN anytime soon, but I do make my way out that way every once and a while.

Looks like Iowa is on the extreme Northwestern range of the pawpaw, so definitely look hard.

I am considering going to the Ohio Pawpaw Festival myself this year. I'll keep you posted if so.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: August 24, 2015, 09:21:01 PM »
Quote from: fyliu on August 24, 2015, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: Triloba Tracker on August 24, 2015, 03:08:24 PM
Also has been mentioned that the per-fruit edible yield is low on P. incarnata.
Yes, and it requires pollination, unlike some edulis strains.

Also, it is susceptible to caterpillars.

For certain people like my parents, they stay away from edulis because of the "smelly socks" aroma. That's just a matter of taste preference. Now they stay say from all passiflora after eating too many.
Good point about self-sterility of incarnata.
Funny about your parents not liking the smell of edulis. It is a strong smell for sure. However, I adore the smell - the lack of aroma of incarnata is a bummer for me.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit hunting in Iowa?
« on: August 24, 2015, 03:15:08 PM »
Good luck in Iowa! You might find some pawpaws. Look for woods and creeks, especially where forests border fields/clearings...look along this interface.

That's about all I can offer.

If you make it to Nashville any time, please let me know! I'd love to go Pawpaw and Maypop hunting with you.

EDIT: I would add that you may not find any ripe pawpaws in mid-September. Especially being a cooler zone, they may ripen even later in Iowa if you can find them.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asimina Trilobas in the wild
« on: August 24, 2015, 03:12:41 PM »
Quote from: Delvi83 on August 24, 2015, 04:37:17 AM
Is Asimina triloba an invasive plant? How does it colonize new area? Does it spread fast?

No, not invasive. In the wild I think it's safe to say it spreads clonally via root suckers more so than via seed (fruit in the wild is somewhat uncommon, at least in my experience in Tennessee).

No, it does not spread fast. It's too slow-growing to be considered invasive and it requires shade in the early stages which, I suppose, limits its ability to spread. 

As far as colonizing new areas, that would have to be via seed deposition by animals, I suppose.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: August 24, 2015, 03:08:24 PM »
Quote from: Delvi83 on August 24, 2015, 04:39:38 AM
If better than P. edulis I wonder why it's not commercialized ?!

I think they're saying better than P. edulis in a temperate environment. I think it's been stated that tropically-grown P. edulis are definitely better than P. incarnata. I would expect that, at least.

Also has been mentioned that the per-fruit edible yield is low on P. incarnata.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rico 2015 blog ready
« on: August 19, 2015, 09:42:07 PM »
Quote from: cbss_daviefl on August 19, 2015, 08:46:14 PM
There was certainly a tear in my eye as we were driving away from Ian's on Thursday. That durian was awesome!
Indeed - a tear or two was shed here when I realized I missed the durian by a year!  ;D

Glad to hear it was a diverse, family-friendly group this year and that the fruit was above par.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rico 2015 blog ready
« on: August 18, 2015, 10:55:19 PM »
Sorry to read about your back flaring up, Jay. Major bummer.

I'd heard it was a good year for durian - how were they compared to 2 years ago? The pictures seem to show a lot of smaller durians - any big ones?

I wonder how you would compare the fruit quantity and variety, and quality to last year's trip . . .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rico 2015 blog ready
« on: August 18, 2015, 09:22:05 PM »
Welcome back! Looking forward to the read.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: August 18, 2015, 04:10:19 PM »
That's awesome, TJ.
Thanks for the info. If you find anything out about that orphaned research, keep us posted!

I am doing pretty well I think particularly with uprooted shoots from the wild. The straight cuttings I am less enthusiastic about.
I am starting to think maybe seeds will be easier. I also hope to fully transplant a few wild ones.
I want to plant several around my property in various micro-environments to see how they do.


**Any tips with starting from seed?** Seems pretty straightforward though I've read about soaking in various concoctions and that they require a very warm environment to germinate....


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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: August 17, 2015, 04:43:05 PM »
Quote from: fyliu on August 17, 2015, 04:35:44 PM
Mine tastes like pineapple and banana. More sweet than P. edulis.

Wow that's another ringing endorsement of P. incarnata! Makes me anticipate my one big fruit's ripening even more LOL

I still can't believe there are no improved cultivars of this vine. I saw one reference online to someone trying to do it, not sure if it's legit.

New question - any one have experience propagating this species, specifically, via cuttings?
I'm trying a few cuttings and also some shoots with some rhizome tissue. I am struggling with how long to keep the humidity up (currently I have them bagged in clear shopping bags.)
I've read this species can take 3 months to root from cuttings, which makes it seem like bags could result in mold or other issues for that long. I have no experience doing this whatsoever! :p

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Maypop (Passiflora incarnata) Thread
« on: August 14, 2015, 01:00:18 PM »
Quote from: TriangleJohn on August 07, 2015, 09:12:27 AM
I have the same problem with any Passionvine I grow in a pot.

Which problem is that, malnutrition/chlorosis?

Thanks again for the info.

I recently found a wild vine on a creek bank that was loaded with fruits. Interestingly, it was in a very shady spot - it might get a few hours of afternoon sun. This contradicts things I've read that suggest it won't flower in shady conditions. It makes me re-think where I have mine planted (full sun).
I am also starting to think these need HEAVY mulching if planted in full sun. Every wild maypop I've seen is growing up out of thick underbrush or very tall/thick pasture grass where the base of the plant is heavily shaded, etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite Durian flavor note?
« on: August 10, 2015, 06:39:56 PM »
Man, Adam! I try to have a sophisticated post for the foodie types among us, and you have to turn it into a circus! LOL
Kidding of course.
But I would like to hear folks' serious answers. Not that this is an important topic.......

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite Durian flavor note?
« on: August 10, 2015, 04:29:20 PM »
Quote from: FlyingFoxFruits on August 10, 2015, 04:23:41 PM
i guess mine would be the "brown note"

 :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_note
Low blow!! Are you mocking me?  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite Durian flavor note?
« on: August 10, 2015, 04:28:38 PM »
Quote from: Raulglezruiz on August 10, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
Hi Triloba, I also see people more often mention a garlic profile or notes, is it really garlic or  some people just doesnt now or confuse onion/garlic flavors
Have you ever come across a garlic one? I just love garlic so much!
I think folks are kind of confusing the two. I do think it's more of an onion thing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite Durian flavor note?
« on: August 10, 2015, 04:00:08 PM »
Burnt sugar/crème brulee/butterscotch...whatever you want to call it :)

in my experience it's usually been more of an aftertaste - towards the end of the flavor experience.

Vanilla is a good one and probably my second-favorite flavor aspect.

I have had durians as you described, that tasted entirely of onion. These were frozen and clearly not peak fruits.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What's your favorite Durian flavor note?
« on: August 10, 2015, 02:19:58 PM »
...Burnt sugar (can't stop thinking about this at the moment, hence my post).

Curious to see what others like....

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