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You can space at 5’ for the guavas, 8’ for Cherimoya . 10-15’ for loquat.
Give the cherimoya your best soil and sun.
The Guava’s and Loquats grow like weeds and don’t require your best soil or sun.
They often fit best in the margins like a fenceline or property line or sidewalk strip, nooks.
They wont require irrigation once established.

The Cherimoya is the star of the show. Baby it and mulch and feed and irrigate it during summer, hand pollinate for more fruits, or any fruits . HoneyHart can be self pollinating in the Bay .


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Langsat Defoliation
« on: March 04, 2024, 01:21:11 PM »
Mike, This may have been discussed before but we need a key to be able to differentiate the different identifiable forms.
I have Duku seedlings from Oscar in the ground and grafted Langsat as well. I can't see any difference.

The Langsat seeds were extremely bitter but the Duku not so much.

You are one of a very few people that does not seem confused at differentiating these sub species.
thanks for the help.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Skinned Pineapple with high brix?
« on: March 04, 2024, 02:17:36 AM »
Thanks for all the info Mike

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees I gave up on
« on: March 03, 2024, 09:40:31 PM »
They are not that good anyways . more tiny bird food. Much smaller than blueberries with a thicker skin and meh flavor.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Langsat Defoliation
« on: March 03, 2024, 09:35:38 PM »
20 + years from seed is not uncommon.
I hope it recovers for you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 03, 2024, 02:16:12 PM »
I wish Rob was here letting it rip as well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Skinned Pineapple with high brix?
« on: March 03, 2024, 02:14:29 PM »
very interesting. To your knowledge have any of those ever made it out to anywhere else in the world?
 
It is funny you you and I guess in different parts of the world there are great pineapples that haven't been shared. MD2 and Cayenne are scoffed at around here in spite of being standards in the sub tropics. Carnival, festival and jubilee are held in high regard as are the improved Queen varieties. Ripley Queen having a brix routinely over 20 is claimed to be the world's sweetest.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Meli Kalima Pineapple
« on: March 03, 2024, 01:45:56 PM »
Who but Dole could absorb the patent fee and still make money in 8 years.
What is special about this one, has anyone here tried it before or heard a review?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 03, 2024, 01:41:27 PM »
Can Marang and Chempadek handle a 2 month dry season.
Can Marang handle with it being drier and breezy?
I think I need to go for it and fill my own desires since this one is always hard to find & expensive.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees I gave up on
« on: March 03, 2024, 01:37:55 PM »
Yeah Ugni seems to do best in shade in 60 degree san francisco fog.
I gave up on them , but they are worthy of a spot if they grow and fruit great at your location.
Seems to be a northern Cal , PNW plant.
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Chilean guava (Ugni molinae).

In the span of 5 years I have bought at least 10 of these plants all due to having replace dead ones. Regardless of their iterations, they are extremely sensitive. IME just touching the branches lightly to inspect growth I saw said branch die back in a few days for no reason. What's available to buy are just too small and expensive to keep trying to grow. I'mma pass on these for now. Soursop is easier to grow then these in FL 9B lol.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 03, 2024, 01:33:39 PM »
It's true Epiphyte, Floridians do not have alot of organic, bio dynamic. no spray farmers to emulate and learn from their success.
 
However , as someone that rubs plenty of people the wrong way, I can understand why people aren't feeling it Eric. "Please note my images blah blah blah. Why would you respond like that? I said I don't watch fruit video's .
And why would you care if people are spreading and sharing your knowledge, that seem's to be something you'd want? Are you concerned someone could profit from a screen shot of your video?
Really stoked to see you doing organic no spray farming in Florida.
Who cares if there is pushback, of course there is push back.
Just do your thing and the work speaks for itself.
That's cool some of your your Mango tree's tend to go right back into flower after they finish fruiting.
I'd bet your building up some excellent living soil.



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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: March 02, 2024, 05:35:12 PM »
David may not be a con, but whomever made his flyer is. Advertising for people to waste time and drive out to an exchange only to get there and see it's not an exchange as advertised , appears to me to be the definition.
I attended one of the Fig Hunter exchange/presentation in Long Beach area last year. I was hoping it would be like the CRFG exchange, but it wasn't as mentioned above. More of a sales pitch and some decent presentation. He did give away a few free figs, but I don't know if they were average seedlings figs he found. I did take a few. They were also selling his other figs as mentioned. I don't think David(TFH) is a con, just trying to make sales.

I doubt that I will go to it again. I was surprised how many CRFG members were in attendance, over 50, I could have done better on my own buying on FigBid.

I have most of the rare good tasting figs so don't need to attend it any longer.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: March 02, 2024, 05:26:18 PM »
You'll get stonewalled quick trying to chat rare fruits with CRFG officers.
Call and offer some Apples next time.

I'm actually hoping some of the NorCal folks tell him about this, because he has a cool mission. I think where things got screwed up is when CRFG started to F with him.

I had an experience in the the past managing a Cherimoya grove and tried to see if the SD heads of CFRG could let people know I had a big harvest before a meeting. They straight up ignored me. I got the message and showed up to the meeting giving out free cherimoya.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 02, 2024, 03:18:57 PM »
Is there just language gymnastics going on here or am I missing something.
I don't watch alot of video's .
Which Mango Cultivar is flowering and fruiting 3 times in one 365 day cycle?

I read you harvested Mango's  during 3 season's, which is awesome! But not the same thing as 1 single Mango tree flowering and fruiting 3 separate times in 1 year.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: March 01, 2024, 04:05:26 PM »
Charging money for your work is no problem. It’s the bait and switch that is sleazy. 
Just be straight up with your business dealings and don't call your fig stick business an "exchange".

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: The Fig Hunter
« on: February 29, 2024, 01:19:42 PM »
Like Y'all said, the flyer say's exchange scions, it's the same language as the crfg scion exchange .
maybe he should just make a figbid account or wherever people pay the big bucks for the fig sticks.
 


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wanted different Ilama Scions
« on: February 28, 2024, 11:26:46 AM »
I've never heard of or seen any of the cultivars on this list. Has anyone seen any of these available , seed or scion , anywhere?
I think it would be easier to find fruiting Wani or russell's sweet scion.
Raul and Bob went to the Illama research stations in central america and got some cool stuff but I don't see where these could be available from. shoot for the moon though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: February 27, 2024, 01:56:16 PM »
There are many good genus for indoor growing, Artocarpus is not one of them.
The west coast in general is pretty lacking in suitable terrain for growing any Artocarpus,
It's hard to taste these fruits before knowing if you like it enough to plant.
While Marang and Pedalai seem to have an overall favorable review , You could grow a kwai muk or lakoocha that you don't even like if and when it fruits.

 brian's greenhouse is an inspiration for zone pushing greenhouse growers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is this common Ecuador fruit?
« on: February 27, 2024, 01:17:39 PM »
Chupa Chupa can be really good, you just have to "chupa chupa " the juice because they are fiberous .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 23, 2024, 05:09:09 PM »
My first white sapote in FL was terrible, bitter, ughh.
Keep your minds open about better varieties of every fruit .
White Sapote can be delicious A grade 5 star fruit, it can also suck.
Same as Mango’s, Banana , Durian, Cherries , Peaches, it doesn’t matter, just grow it yourself or know your farmer if possible.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Acclimatizing S American Garcinias
« on: February 23, 2024, 05:05:07 PM »
The Achachairu should be fine full sun in Hana Maui, I think they’ll grow faster as well.
The Madruno’s will do better with afternoon shade or a shade cage until 5-6 feet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 21, 2024, 11:16:46 PM »
I always felt that way until I had a good one with great texture and flavor.
black sapote is trash, its a try once every 5 years to remember how bland it is to eat out of hand and forget about it for another 5.

Adding cream and sweetner makes it ok but if something cant be eaten out of hand i aint got time for that.

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I love Jaboticaba's. I wish the wine was good.
I was very excited to go try it.

It's fake because top tropicals write up is a complete and total lie. Credible? you don't have to believe me , find out for yourself. I told a few people the real deal , everyone can pick and choose what to learn through their own trial and errors.

By the way there is a chocolate "farm"  near the "winery" you can pay for a tour of. They don't grow their own Cacao and the chocolate is not from their farm, but you get the idea, I think you'd love it.
can go to the farmers market and buy your "local" Mango's straight from Costco and exist in a state of blissful ignorance . That's normal, and normal is good.
Plant some Red Jabo seeds, you'll end up with good fruit , and can name it whatever bs you want and sell it to the world.

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They do not have any Volcano Red berries, or any berries growing.
As excited as I was for Jabo wine, unfortunately it's a scam.








This winery is buying locally grown Jaboticaba in Hawaii with no mention of it being a special variety at all, more than likely most is Sabara. Think about it if it was some crazy rare special variety would you sell the fruit for $3.50 a pound when you can make at least that much per seed?

It appears they ran out of their own Volcano Red berries and they are contracting out.  😁

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I am telling it like it is, I know it can pop bubbles and ruin days but I am not here to sell you anything. Buy a bottle , please!! find out for yourself and report back!!
I don't know what I can add.
The Volcano Winery grows no grapes, they grow no jaboticaba. Their Jaboticaba wine has no taste of Jaboticaba and was literally the worst "wine" I have tried in my life.
I heard they used welch's grape juice and vodka to make their "wine" and after drinking it well that is what it tasted like.
You should really buy a bottle and find out for yourself. I went to the winery, bought the bottle,  it was a joke.

They pay $2 a pound for Jaboticaba.
The only Jabo in Hawaii for 99.9% of people is sold as "Murta" ,by the one existing giant wholesale fruit nursery, It is Sabara.

So this Pele's breath red jabo description and you trying to call me out is bullshit, but I refrained from name calling.

Look and Read all the flavor descriptions coming from people trying to sell you $100 germinated seed of tiny sour bird food, don't believe everything someone is trying to sell you on.



This is an insulting deceptive lie by top tropicals.

The Volcano winery is a joke, a joke!
straight up Welch's grape juice and no , they do not grow or sell Jaboticaba wine.
The description on top trop website is just total garbage.

Dude, are you trolling? LOOK & READ!



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