E. patrisii - what's the scoop?

[Zafra]

Who can give me the dirt on E. patrisii? I've searched here and abroad to no avail. I have two 2 year old seedling trees - how's their care and feeding? Anyone?

[nelesedulis]

Hello,

Do you want to learn how to cultivate this tree?

I have this tree in growing and fruiting

[Zafra]

I want to know everything I can about it - definitely how to cultivate (esp sun/shade, temp, soil, irrigation etc), what's the fruit like, how long to fruit from seed, how big does the tree get, and anything else people think is worth saying about this species. Thank you!

[nelesedulis]

Hello

I have three trees that in Brazil we call ubaia ruby two I bought with a 3-year-nursery and the other I planted the seed when it produced fruit.

I kept the two trees for two more years in the nursery, 70 percent shading, watering twice a day, fertilizing with manure.

The trees grow very slowly, I planted in situ in 2011, under the shade of a tree cashew, do not have constant irrigation, and in 2013 started to produce fruit in the first year, the fruits are not many and they fall before become ripe.
In 2013, 2014 and 2015, the trees have borne fruit twice a year, in March and September.
I compost twice a year with dry manure and NPK 20-10-20.

The ripe fruit is bright red, crisp, has a round seed, similar to Hexaclamis edulis seeds, the fruit flavor is interesting.

[Zafra]

Thank you! So it sounds like they prefer some shade to full sun, and rich soil. That's good to know. You say the fruit is crisp and interesting - is that a positive review? Do you like the fruit? (My grandparents used to describe things they didn't like as "interesting" to be tactful  )
Do you know how big the trees get eventually? They sound like they want to be understory...

[nelesedulis]

Lol, Interesting, in the good sense. Brazilianism.

In fact the fruit is more beautiful than tasty.

I think it reaches about 4 m high, you could post a picture of your leaf because some vendors sold other fruit we call ubaia as E.Patrisii.

[Zafra]

What do you think?

[nelesedulis]

probably yes, one more doubt:
The budding new leaves are dark red?

What do you think?

[Zafra]

Neither of my specimens have any brand new leaves at the moment. If they are dark red that means yes E. patrisii, or no?

[nelesedulis]

dark red=yes

[luc]

I got several seedlings going , seeds were sent from Venezuela , new growth is not dark red , just a slight reddish tint like you can see in Harri Lorenzi´s book page 208 . The leaves have the same shape as yours Zafra , did yours also come from Venezuela ?

[nelesedulis]

Hello Luc

I have 02 seedlings in production of M Lacerda, from the H Lorenzi a seedling that I made with seeds of that produced in my tree.
I have 03 seeds seedlings, I myself collected in São Gabriel da Cachoeira, locality Bateria, state Amazonas, border with Venezuela, some 20 km, within the limits of the Pico da Neblina national Park Brazil side and national park Parima Tapirapecó, Venezuelan side. I was there in 2012 doing an inspection for an installation project of a hydroelectric power plant on site.

Next week I go to the farm and I will take pictures of these plants, many of them as the Lacerda, sprout bright red, those of Lacerda are guaranteed because they give fruits about 3 years.

I told Zafra, which from the pictures the seedlings it probably be the Ubaia ruby.

I'll see if I can find a picture of ubaia already in production to post.

thankfully it is not Hexaclamis edulis than a walk selling like ruby ubaia a few years ago.

I got several seedlings going , seeds were sent from Venezuela , new growth is not dark red , just a slight reddish tint like you can see in Harri Lorenzi´s book page 208 . The leaves have the same shape as yours Zafra , did yours also come from Venezuela ?

[luc]

These are my seedlings . Exactly 2 months old today.

[nelesedulis]

Hi Mr Luc;
Fine seedlings, really ubaia, you will see the red leaves when the plants are in the sun.
I am posting some photos, old, when I go to farm I take more pictures.

Have a photo of fruits, the ubaia are the two round fruit, were not fully mature, but I needed seeds, the others are fruit of the miracle.
Elas ficam maiores e podem ter a forma de uma pequena pera.

[luc]

Thank you for the pictures Nelesedulis , are these your plants that fruited after 3 years ?
Yes...I noticed yours are round where Lorenzi´s fruits are more pear shaped and also larger , 3 to 4 cm .
Comparing with the miracle fruits in the bowl yours are smaller or did you pick them earlier because you needed the seeds ?

[Don]

I was reading somewhere (cant remember where) patrisii produces round small fruits in a wild setting but if looked after well the fruits get larger and take on the pear shape you talk of.

[nelesedulis]

Hello Luc

 seedlings had three years of nursery.
I left two more years on my nursery and planted in this place at the end of 2011, it was fruitful in 2012,2013,2104 and this year it is bigger and has a pear-shaped.
I collected before, because I do not live on the farm and had to gather before fully mature.
I had Business for these seeds.
To improve the fruit, I guess I have to irrigate and improve fertilization, either way it's a slow tree.
Seedlings that I did of the Amazons are collected with some 50 cm, I got one and sold the other.

Thank you for the pictures Nelesedulis , are these your plants that fruited after 3 years ?
Yes...I noticed yours are round where Lorenzi´s fruits are more pear shaped and also larger , 3 to 4 cm .
Comparing with the miracle fruits in the bowl yours are smaller or did you pick them earlier because you needed the seeds ?

[nelesedulis]

Fala Don;

May consider this tree semi wild, cultural practices are not very suitable, I just fertilizer with manure and NPK 05/20/20, which I use for coffee plantation.

I need to improve my practices, but work away disturbs me.

I was reading somewhere (cant remember where) patrisii produces round small fruits in a wild setting but if looked after well the fruits get larger and take on the pear shape you talk of.

[Don]

Yeah, time can get away from you for sure. Your plants look good though. I see same with the fingerlimes i find in the forest, high rainfall and low nutrients makes for small fruit but ones in cultivation that don't have the nutrients washed away produce a bigger and healthier crop.

[Zafra]

Sorry I was away from my computer yesterday. Yes my plants are from a seller here in Venezuela - probably the same person who sold you the seeds! I'll check out the plants today to see if there's any new growth forming and what color it is, but I don't think it will be dark red as the younger leaves don't show any noticeable reddish tint that would imply they were recently dark red...

[Luisport]

My eugenia patriisi seedling.

[nelesedulis]

 

My eugenia patriisi seedling.

[nelesedulis]

Hello Freinds.

Just updating the post about Eugenia Patrisii, I now have lots of fruits, and I made a delicious jelly with my Ubaias, the two varieties have now fruited.

Alexandre

[Zafra]

Wow those are huge! Thanks for sharing the pictures. I thought this was a tiny, blueberry-sized fruit! My (very pretty) small tree still in a nursery bag has been flowering almost constantly for almost a year now but so far has not set any fruit. I'm going to be planting it out soon and I'm thinking about where to put it. Will it want lots of water all year or will it do fine with less water during the dry season?

[luc]

Zafra , I planted mine in the ground , they did not like the transplant very much but are hanging in there , I also noticed they do not like a lot of water....