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New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« on: December 19, 2017, 03:59:24 PM »
Hi

I buyed these "big" (for Argentina) jaboticabas, 1.5 m tall (5 feet tall) or so.

I think they are myrciaria trunciflora (more likely to me) or myrciaria coronata, what do you think?






The seller wrote that the mother tree is more than 5 meters tall and the fruit is not so acid, so I think it could be sweet and very good. They should be 6 years old and maybe will flower soon!
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Re: About to get 16 new jaboticabas (ID?)
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2017, 10:01:37 AM »
So... maybe trunciflora?
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2018, 05:17:42 PM »






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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2018, 10:51:15 PM »
look a lot like pualista,  good news they are very cold tolerant, we went down to 25F and it didn't really get damage at all
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2018, 04:55:06 AM »
Thanks Adam, it would be very nice if they can get 25º F (-4º C) and survive in a protected place where colds can get 20º F (-6.6º C), under other bushes and with automatic watering. We planted one of them in that place now and hope that will be fine this winter... maybe will put an anti frost blanket
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 05:31:19 PM »
Thanks Adam, it would be very nice if they can get 25º F (-4º C) and survive in a protected place where colds can get 20º F (-6.6º C), under other bushes and with automatic watering. We planted one of them in that place now and hope that will be fine this winter... maybe will put an anti frost blanket

If wind is not intense, you can protect by letting them ice over during a freeze, I did this just recently for 26F and 25F, two separate hard freezes, about 10hrs total duration at those minimum temps, the irrigation must be started before the onset of freezing weather, (38-36F works for me, I start early because I've had the water start to freeze inside my pipes before it actually froze), and you mustn't stop watering until the freeze has passed, I wait for temps to rise above 36F, and then I stop irrigating

The process of ice forming actually generates heat

http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/tenthings/FreezingWarmer.pdf

One bad thing is that if you water too much and the freeze is too hard, it can produce so much ice, it weighs down the branches and breaks them...good thing jaboticaba wood is very strong, mine held what seemed like 60lbs of ice armor.

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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2018, 10:51:31 PM »
Ok! it seems to be risky but I could try... I was thinking to just drip irrigate them during the frosts... and there is a swimming pool near the plantation, so maybe frosts will not be hard there...
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 10:26:34 AM »
now i see more pics i hadn't seen before, i guess i agree with Helton, it looks more like coronata than pualista,,, congrats on your flowers
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 07:14:50 PM »
now i see more pics i hadn't seen before, i guess i agree with Helton, it looks more like coronata than pualista,,, congrats on your flowers

Ah,ok, maybe wild coronata... we dont have flowers yet :-S
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2018, 02:48:38 PM »
now i see more pics i hadn't seen before, i guess i agree with Helton, it looks more like coronata than pualista,,, congrats on your flowers

Ah,ok, maybe wild coronata... we dont have flowers yet :-S

hey i thought those were flowers coming??

btw, you can easily tell once they fruit...the paulista kind of has a crown, but it's just not the same as real coronata, which has much more prominent apical disk.
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2018, 05:22:38 PM »
Ok thanks, these are from another source, ver y similar but leaves smell stronger and nicer...

I made a tea out of its leaves and it tastes very good

now i see more pics i hadn't seen before, i guess i agree with Helton, it looks more like coronata than pualista,,, congrats on your flowers

Ah,ok, maybe wild coronata... we dont have flowers yet :-S

hey i thought those were flowers coming??

btw, you can easily tell once they fruit...the paulista kind of has a crown, but it's just not the same as real coronata, which has much more prominent apical disk.
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2018, 06:30:23 PM »
lol, maybe the other post was of paulista, this one coronata...and it helped confuse me for the other post.
Ok thanks, these are from another source, ver y similar but leaves smell stronger and nicer...

I made a tea out of its leaves and it tastes very good

now i see more pics i hadn't seen before, i guess i agree with Helton, it looks more like coronata than pualista,,, congrats on your flowers

Ah,ok, maybe wild coronata... we dont have flowers yet :-S

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btw, you can easily tell once they fruit...the paulista kind of has a crown, but it's just not the same as real coronata, which has much more prominent apical disk.
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2018, 08:26:47 PM »
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lol, maybe the other post was of paulista, this one coronata...and it helped confuse me for the other post.


 ;D

so... how would someone know that these are coronata and the other one is paulista?

what differences do you see?
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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2018, 05:40:44 AM »
Marcos, Coronata has elongated leafs, redish when young. ;)

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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2018, 06:52:06 AM »
Marcos, Coronata has elongated leafs, redish when young. ;)

Ok, that's right... but I have this other one (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2017/10/05/atando-cabos-myrciaria-trunciflora/) that Adam thinks it is myrciaria cauliflora paulista, and has elongated red leaves too... (and I tought it could be m. trunciflora)







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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2018, 09:59:49 AM »
Humm..... It can be the what we call here Jabuticaba-Açú, which is a Paulista var.
Other interesting thing to know: Coronata normally grows like a tall tree (over 20m sometimes). Açú is lower and the canopy is more "openned". ;)

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Re: New jaboticabas, 1.5m, 5 feet tall
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2018, 01:38:09 PM »
Humm..... It can be the what we call here Jabuticaba-Açú, which is a Paulista var.
Other interesting thing to know: Coronata normally grows like a tall tree (over 20m sometimes). Açú is lower and the canopy is more "openned". ;)


It does look similar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFV65B2J77o

maybe just a coincidence, thanks.
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