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Son Pari sounds interesting. Any idea where to get it? Excalibur, Pine Island and Als' fruit trees in Homestead don't have them.
Sweet Tart is not always small and some trees are very productive. Its variable. Flesh is fiber free but on the soft side. Taste is outstanding. Orange Sherbet fruit is sweet and a tad smaller in size than LZ. Texture is a touch on the softer side and can have a slight propensity for jelly seed in certain locations (should be able to be controlled with calcium).Cac, also goes by Coc from certain nursery(ies), has an excellent complex flavor profile. Its sweet but not oversweet. Out if these four, it has the most firm flesh.Seacrest has melting flesh with a classic mango flavor profile. The most boring of them all. Production appears to be average to slightly above average.You may want to consider Son Pari or Phoenix.
Quote from: bsbullie on June 25, 2020, 11:45:58 AMSweet Tart is not always small and some trees are very productive. Its variable. Flesh is fiber free but on the soft side. Taste is outstanding. Orange Sherbet fruit is sweet and a tad smaller in size than LZ. Texture is a touch on the softer side and can have a slight propensity for jelly seed in certain locations (should be able to be controlled with calcium).Cac, also goes by Coc from certain nursery(ies), has an excellent complex flavor profile. Its sweet but not oversweet. Out if these four, it has the most firm flesh.Seacrest has melting flesh with a classic mango flavor profile. The most boring of them all. Production appears to be average to slightly above average.You may want to consider Son Pari or Phoenix.Great info!
Quote from: bsbullie on June 25, 2020, 11:45:58 AMSweet Tart is not always small and some trees are very productive. Its variable. Flesh is fiber free but on the soft side. Taste is outstanding. Orange Sherbet fruit is sweet and a tad smaller in size than LZ. Texture is a touch on the softer side and can have a slight propensity for jelly seed in certain locations (should be able to be controlled with calcium).Cac, also goes by Coc from certain nursery(ies), has an excellent complex flavor profile. Its sweet but not oversweet. Out if these four, it has the most firm flesh.Seacrest has melting flesh with a classic mango flavor profile. The most boring of them all. Production appears to be average to slightly above average.You may want to consider Son Pari or Phoenix. Which varieties come closest to sweet tarts taste but have better flesh to seed ratio?I read that Cac is wildly vigors is that true? I have only tasted one but i really like flavor and it had a lot of flesh.
Quote from: bovine421 on June 25, 2020, 04:41:38 PMQuote from: bsbullie on June 25, 2020, 11:45:58 AMSweet Tart is not always small and some trees are very productive. Its variable. Flesh is fiber free but on the soft side. Taste is outstanding. Orange Sherbet fruit is sweet and a tad smaller in size than LZ. Texture is a touch on the softer side and can have a slight propensity for jelly seed in certain locations (should be able to be controlled with calcium).Cac, also goes by Coc from certain nursery(ies), has an excellent complex flavor profile. Its sweet but not oversweet. Out if these four, it has the most firm flesh.Seacrest has melting flesh with a classic mango flavor profile. The most boring of them all. Production appears to be average to slightly above average.You may want to consider Son Pari or Phoenix. Which varieties come closest to sweet tarts taste but have better flesh to seed ratio?I read that Cac is wildly vigors is that true? I have only tasted one but i really like flavor and it had a lot of flesh.Personally I think Venus has a similar flavor to Sweet Tart. They're different for sure but there's close flavors too. I'd say there's a bit more citrus component in Sweet Tart and Venus leans more to the classic mango taste. Venus is top tier imo. There have been reports of MBBS susceptibility, but I haven't seen it on my tree yet (knock on wood). In any case, Venus mangos are large so you get a much better flesh to seed ratio.Cecilove supposedly tastes pretty close to Sweet Tart (I haven't tried yet). Squam knows much more about the flesh to seed ratio and flavor profile too. I believe he said early reports are it flowers easier than Sweet Tart too.
Quote from: FlMikey on June 27, 2020, 08:38:21 AMQuote from: bovine421 on June 25, 2020, 04:41:38 PMQuote from: bsbullie on June 25, 2020, 11:45:58 AMSweet Tart is not always small and some trees are very productive. Its variable. Flesh is fiber free but on the soft side. Taste is outstanding. Orange Sherbet fruit is sweet and a tad smaller in size than LZ. Texture is a touch on the softer side and can have a slight propensity for jelly seed in certain locations (should be able to be controlled with calcium).Cac, also goes by Coc from certain nursery(ies), has an excellent complex flavor profile. Its sweet but not oversweet. Out if these four, it has the most firm flesh.Seacrest has melting flesh with a classic mango flavor profile. The most boring of them all. Production appears to be average to slightly above average.You may want to consider Son Pari or Phoenix. Which varieties come closest to sweet tarts taste but have better flesh to seed ratio?I read that Cac is wildly vigors is that true? I have only tasted one but i really like flavor and it had a lot of flesh.Personally I think Venus has a similar flavor to Sweet Tart. They're different for sure but there's close flavors too. I'd say there's a bit more citrus component in Sweet Tart and Venus leans more to the classic mango taste. Venus is top tier imo. There have been reports of MBBS susceptibility, but I haven't seen it on my tree yet (knock on wood). In any case, Venus mangos are large so you get a much better flesh to seed ratio.Cecilove supposedly tastes pretty close to Sweet Tart (I haven't tried yet). Squam knows much more about the flesh to seed ratio and flavor profile too. I believe he said early reports are it flowers easier than Sweet Tart too.Venus is not that similar in taste to Sweet Tart. It shares the parent and possible uneven ripening but it stands out for being prone to MBBS. I will agree it bears more of the classic mango taste profile and shape which may be from its possible pollen donor, Beverly.
Venus and Sweet Tart are completely different in flavor, and other respects as well. Sweet Tart is superior in flavor, especially if you like a lil sour with your sweet.Venus is a decent late season choice, but prone to disease. After trying ST though the years, and getting some early picks in the past, have finally realized how good this mango really is. Adding more grafts!Venus graft I couldn't care much less about. I mean its cool, but not worried about it.
Quote from: JulianoGS on June 26, 2020, 05:21:57 PMQuote from: bsbullie on June 25, 2020, 11:45:58 AMSweet Tart is not always small and some trees are very productive. Its variable. Flesh is fiber free but on the soft side. Taste is outstanding. Orange Sherbet fruit is sweet and a tad smaller in size than LZ. Texture is a touch on the softer side and can have a slight propensity for jelly seed in certain locations (should be able to be controlled with calcium).Cac, also goes by Coc from certain nursery(ies), has an excellent complex flavor profile. Its sweet but not oversweet. Out if these four, it has the most firm flesh.Seacrest has melting flesh with a classic mango flavor profile. The most boring of them all. Production appears to be average to slightly above average.You may want to consider Son Pari or Phoenix.Great info!It's great to have Rob back as a regular contributor with his extensive knowledge!
What about Carla does it have any sub acid or hint of tartness similar to Sweet Tart or Dot? I've never tried it
It's great to have Rob back as a regular contributor with his extensive knowledge! You must be willing to take some tart with the sweet
Quote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 02:12:02 PMWhat about Carla does it have any sub acid or hint of tartness similar to Sweet Tart or Dot? I've never tried itChris included it in a Truly Tropical mango tasting video last year. I believe they said it has a classic mango flavor, very good but not distinctive.
Quote from: johnb51 on June 27, 2020, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 02:12:02 PMWhat about Carla does it have any sub acid or hint of tartness similar to Sweet Tart or Dot? I've never tried itChris included it in a Truly Tropical mango tasting video last year. I believe they said it has a classic mango flavor, very good but not distinctive.I think in that video which they also tasted Phoenix that Carla is the one that got Beth's attention and made her perk up I think she made the comment that it has a sub acid tartness to it. Based on that I have grafted it just wanted to get some confirmation from others 😊
Quote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 06:04:15 PMQuote from: johnb51 on June 27, 2020, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 02:12:02 PMWhat about Carla does it have any sub acid or hint of tartness similar to Sweet Tart or Dot? I've never tried itChris included it in a Truly Tropical mango tasting video last year. I believe they said it has a classic mango flavor, very good but not distinctive.I think in that video which they also tasted Phoenix that Carla is the one that got Beth's attention and made her perk up I think she made the comment that it has a sub acid tartness to it. Based on that I have grafted it just wanted to get some confirmation from others 😊Carla is just an average mango. Phoenix is exceptional...think of a cross between Son Pari and Dot flavorwise.
Quote from: bsbullie on June 27, 2020, 06:06:51 PMQuote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 06:04:15 PMQuote from: johnb51 on June 27, 2020, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 02:12:02 PMWhat about Carla does it have any sub acid or hint of tartness similar to Sweet Tart or Dot? I've never tried itChris included it in a Truly Tropical mango tasting video last year. I believe they said it has a classic mango flavor, very good but not distinctive.I think in that video which they also tasted Phoenix that Carla is the one that got Beth's attention and made her perk up I think she made the comment that it has a sub acid tartness to it. Based on that I have grafted it just wanted to get some confirmation from others 😊Carla is just an average mango. Phoenix is exceptional...think of a cross between Son Pari and Dot flavorwise.Hey Rob! Glad you're back..gave me tons of great info before. What's the parentage of Phoenix? I'm interested in the cultivar but have heard conflicting reports of Jakarta or Dot as the parentage. Any ideas?
Quote from: FlMikey on June 27, 2020, 07:46:07 PMQuote from: bsbullie on June 27, 2020, 06:06:51 PMQuote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 06:04:15 PMQuote from: johnb51 on June 27, 2020, 05:25:08 PMQuote from: bovine421 on June 27, 2020, 02:12:02 PMWhat about Carla does it have any sub acid or hint of tartness similar to Sweet Tart or Dot? I've never tried itChris included it in a Truly Tropical mango tasting video last year. I believe they said it has a classic mango flavor, very good but not distinctive.I think in that video which they also tasted Phoenix that Carla is the one that got Beth's attention and made her perk up I think she made the comment that it has a sub acid tartness to it. Based on that I have grafted it just wanted to get some confirmation from others 😊Carla is just an average mango. Phoenix is exceptional...think of a cross between Son Pari and Dot flavorwise.Hey Rob! Glad you're back..gave me tons of great info before. What's the parentage of Phoenix? I'm interested in the cultivar but have heard conflicting reports of Jakarta or Dot as the parentage. Any ideas?Jakarta. At one point it was "rumored" to be Dot and you know how rumors spread. There were a few varieties with misinformation as to parentage that has since been corrected. When ripened properly, it is truly top notch. Does not ripen up that well when picked mature green.
Hi,I have 2 more spots for larger Mango trees to add to my collection. I sort of narrowed it down to: Seacrest, Cac (same as Cat Chu), Orange Sherbet and Sweet Tart. I haven't tasted either one yet.I like firm, fiberless with a good balance of sweet and tart flavors. From the ones I have in production I like Glenn, Edward and LZ best, not a big fan of Nam Doc Mai (too sweet) and Carrie (too soft). Any advice?
Does not ripen up that well when picked mature green. That must be why no one in any of the mango tasting videos seems to get that excited about Phoenix.
Dots tend to not be very good either when picked green (to be honest, I am in a "group" that believes mangoes picked mature green tend to not show their real potential). If mangoes bleed milky sap when picked (the more sap the worse off you will be), mist likely was not ready and will not ripen up properly.With that being said, sometimes picked full ripe from the tree can be past prime quality. I believe there is a right time to pick each variety and it varies from variety to variety. It takes practice and time to find the sweet spot.
Quote from: bsbullie on June 28, 2020, 12:18:07 PMDots tend to not be very good either when picked green (to be honest, I am in a "group" that believes mangoes picked mature green tend to not show their real potential). If mangoes bleed milky sap when picked (the more sap the worse off you will be), mist likely was not ready and will not ripen up properly.With that being said, sometimes picked full ripe from the tree can be past prime quality. I believe there is a right time to pick each variety and it varies from variety to variety. It takes practice and time to find the sweet spot.I was hoping you could elaborate on this.I have had pests destroying the stone fruit this year and would like to select varieties (of mango) I could bring in before they get destroyed.Yes I'm aware of making baskets for protecting the fruit while it tree ripens, but if it's not squirrels, it's beetles, earwigs, etc.
Mallika is one that truly can be picked at the proper stage of mature green. Taste profile of a quality fruit ranges from orange creamsicle to sweet cantaloupe (they can also have a sweet candied carrot taste that some despise). Easily eaten over a hundred Mallika and never had them taste of a honeydew (only fruit that comes to mind that has that honeydew taste is the Aussie green mulberry). If I recall, they arent a good choice for Cali.
I went by Tropical Acres and talked to Alex. He seemed pretty enthusiastic about the Cac, so I went with that one. He will graft me a Son Pari ready in October.