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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: rat chewed jackfruit bark - goner?
« on: March 12, 2024, 06:41:16 AM »
rabbits love jackfruit and will girdle them relentlessly. They are especially active in spring.

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Tindora cucumbers, spineless cactus nopales. Akee tree fruit is used as a vegetable. Green banana and plantain are staple carbohydrate crops many places.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 04, 2024, 07:54:49 AM »
One thing to consider when assessing the question of a possible "3 crops per year" is that mango fruit development from flower to ripeness takes somewhere between 100-150 days. If you do the math based on a 365 day year you will see the problem. That would mean that flower initiation would have to come back very quickly after fruit pick, which is unlikely in most cases.

In the above discussion of Lemon Zest holding on the tree at August 31st, counting back 125 days obtains a likely fruit set date of April 28th, maybe a bit late flowering but not out of season at all..

In the case of the mango variety "Fralan(aka Falan)" as mentioned in this image, that variety is usually picked immature for eating green. It's possible that the early stripping of fruit tends to allow a quicker reflowering than most other varieties. My two Falan trees also tend to have significant fruit splitting if allowed to mature too far so essentially the tree self-limits maturity  by aborting fruit.
https://postimg.cc/YG3j2gyq
 

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You might experiment with just using a massive branch cutting direct in ground. Many folks, including me, have done this with Gliricidia, Gumbo Limbo, Red Mombin, and Moringa. Dig a post hole, plant the "post" in the ground, refill with soil while watering to fill it. You might still have nematode problems if that variety is susceptible but would be an interesting experiment for low investment.

Here is the Gumbo Limbo(Bursera simaruba) 4 inch diameter post I set 1.5 years ago, it was an instant tree.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: March 03, 2024, 08:08:31 AM »
Found the first mango of the season "Fralan" .That tree makes more than one crop for me so not to unusual.For me those trees are to vigorous so I'm top working.

John I also had a few Fralan in Dec that split and dropped. But my first and largest fruit holding are Nam doc Mai pic taken today.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 03, 2024, 07:42:00 AM »
Please note our videos have copyrights and the use of images from my videos without permission is against the law
::)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 02, 2024, 03:23:15 PM »
So, Eric I searched your youtube channel (since you weren't doing it) and suffered through 30 minutes of monologue in your video titled:

Our Late Season Mangoes Produce 3 Crops Per Year - August 31, 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdcFKoFGro

Here is the transcript:

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the mangoes are starting to pop up it's really truly amazing but here's our lemon zest mango and
10:49
lemon zest really isn't one of my favorite mangoes but
10:57
this one this particular tree
11:03
this particular tree fruited three times so in once one year
11:09
so in this in all this this summer so you get a first crop that looks like this and then it'll send out another
11:16
flush and then I got a second crop and then I got a third crop and the third crop had four mangoes on it so we still
11:23
have mangoes of lemon zest

Here is what you called "a third crop". Two mangos, maybe it was four a few weeks earlier.



Lemon Zest is typically a later season variety July-August. Eric may find that two late fruits hanging on in August constitutes "a third crop" but most will see he is stretching the truth beyond reasonable.

Eric, these were my comments which you called "angry" and "hateful".

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And you believed him when he claims that he is getting 3 crops of mangos per year?
Did he say what seasons he gets these 3 crops per year?
Does he get a spring, summer and fall crop, cleasrly he's not picking the winter crop!
Or just 3 staggered blooms which all ripen in summer?

I assure you what he should have said is that some trees have staggered blooms with some earlier and some later. There are also a few varieties like Choc Anon and Nam Doc Mai which can partially bloom out of season but probably not a full crop.
This is pretty common on some varieties, and not so remarkable. No honest person would claim to be getting "three crops in a year" when it's really just a staggered bloom across a couple of months. He is counting on people's gullibility and his ability to delete comments to carry on that boast.

Eric your own video shows that, even with me not seeing the tree in question, I was 100% correct, not angry or hateful, just stating the facts which turned out very true. Two or 4 late blooming fruit hanging on doesn't constitute a "crop".

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 02, 2024, 03:22:47 PM »
Is there just language gymnastics going on here or am I missing something.
I don't watch alot of video's .
Which Mango Cultivar is flowering and fruiting 3 times in one 365 day cycle?

I read you harvested Mango's  during 3 season's, which is awesome! But not the same thing as 1 single Mango tree flowering and fruiting 3 separate times in 1 year.

It turned out to just be BS. Reply incoming.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 02, 2024, 07:37:01 AM »
Maybe some people can be convinced that you get 3 mango crops per year in Florida but most of us know better. I'm still waiting on the photos.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: March 01, 2024, 10:25:01 AM »
I am really sorry that sharing my experience has affected and angers you so much Pineislander/chief, this is not my intent.
I guess I must have disrespected someone you know because I wouldn’t conform with the masses and follow one conventional modality to grow Mangoes, unfortunately when I started growing tropical fruit in Florida there were no Biodynamic models so I had to teach myself
Please accept my apology for any disrespect you perceived and please know this was never my intent
I hope that you can come to a place where you can fill this space and share your experience growing, I always enjoy reading about different ways to grow and even though I may not follow exactly the model presented there is usually something I can glean from the information provided.
I never enjoy reading someone tearing another person apart and this includes personal attacks with words online and I am sure I am not alone in this sentiment
This site could be so much more but it has devolved to this, I hope we can move beyond the hate🐸❤️
I still look forward to one day meeting you, all the best to you🐸

https://youtu.be/mIdP3NTit4I?si=pb4z_bj-t8JPJ4X_



No anger or hate here, Eric, but you are continuing with plenty of disrespect. Either you are getting 3 crops of mangos per year or you aren't. I don't care about you personally or anything else you do but misleading folks is wrong and you probably know that, which is why you've dodged the question here where most of us know better. In my experience people who try to mislead others show disrespect for them and a lack of personal integrity.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: February 29, 2024, 04:47:56 PM »

his mango trees would be happier if he irrigated?  maybe, but it's incredibly cool that several of his mango trees produce three crops in a year without any irrigation. 

And you believed him when he claims that he is getting 3 crops of mangos per year?
Did he say what seasons he gets these 3 crops per year?
Does he get a spring, summer and fall crop, cleasrly he's not picking the winter crop!
Or just 3 staggered blooms which all ripen in summer?

I assure you what he should have said is that some trees have staggered blooms with some earlier and some later. There are also a few varieties like Choc Anon and Nam Doc Mai which can partially bloom out of season but probably not a full crop.
This is pretty common on some varieties, and not so remarkable. No honest person would claim to be getting "three crops in a year" when it's really just a staggered bloom across a couple of months. He is counting on people's gullibility and his ability to delete comments to carry on that boast.

However, to be fair he should upload the photos of these unicorns with exif data showing the dates taken. I'll eat crow.

Lastly, its common for mango beyond 5 years or so in Florida to not need more irrigation. It does help move them along at first and this was pointed out to FNF by an experienced grower who commented on the one year old mango at Frog Valley which died from frost a few years ago. Getting them up to maturity offers some advantages against frost. Eric just scoffed at a grower with over 40 years of experience.

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These are professional quality and price was $50. They worked well for microgreens.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MXVQLBX?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Just a mini Rant about Youtube
« on: February 29, 2024, 05:54:04 AM »
the two tropical fruit guys i watch religiously are flying fox fruit and florida natural farming.  fnf, on the other hand, doesn't have quite the same charm, but i love that he's always reading relevant scholarly papers.  and his garden is the closest to my dream garden.

I used to follow fnf but haven't visited in a long time. I don't think he gets around much because he hasn't compared his mango trees to those of others. Mango is about the easiest fruit to grow in Florida but his trees look highly stressed with very small twisted leaves showing deficiencies. Many of the leaves are growing in strange horizontal angles. He is getting some flowers but admits to poor fruit set.  Anyone growing mango will quickly see something is wrong, but he seems blinded to it. Ive tried before to make productive comments but he is recalcitrant and shuns people just like he left this forum.

To see what I mean have a look at his latest video and compare to your own mango trees. I wish he would be open to discussion but that never happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w49z5du3f4

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leaning papaya
« on: November 02, 2023, 09:48:29 PM »
Try planting the hybrid papaya seeds from alohaseeds.com. They are "feminized" which means produced from a female forced to produce pollen, therby making all seeds be either female or hemaphrodite, almost no chance of any male plants from these seeds. The commercial growers can't ber spending effort growing male plants so that is what they use. I've grown several hundred and never got a male. My favorite is Red Lady, even folks who thought they didn't enjoy papaya like the flavor, very nice red flesh.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: October 30, 2023, 06:25:33 AM »
fnf has his own abrasive and very boastful attitude. Nobody forced him away. Generally he wasn't receptive to anything or anyone who made suggestions, even folks with decades more local experience, it's his way or the highway...... The same happens at his youtube channel, blocks and deletes anything which doesn't agree 100%. You can see that he doesn't get along with neighbors, has few friends, which should tell most of what you need to know. I grow similarly to him, but just the fact that I use irrigation and mulch made me part of the horrible ones.... You are dealing with an extremist mindset, huge chip on each shoulder type of guy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 13, 2023, 01:15:48 PM »
Can’t wait to retire ! , buying  mountain top hone in PR off the grid , no neighbors, HOA, nothing but nature ….

Fruit thievery happens in Puerto Rico and throughout the Caribbean.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple growing vertically?
« on: July 25, 2023, 08:31:35 PM »
He describes use of bangsite for flower induction. However, it is carbide and doesnt produce ethylene gas as he says, it produces acetylene which does the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIkV7XRSv1U

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I like the idea of RFID tags as I want to move towards an agritourism system. The idea would be so that self guided tour guests could get as much info as they want. But someone mentioned the QR code which doesnt require a RFID reader.

Does anyone know if high quality weather resistant QR tags might be available?

This could link to a website or video about the item and be read by anyone with a now ubiquitous cell phone camera.

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Can nobody help me with further information?

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I'm scheduled to give a workshop explaining how to judge mango maturity on the tree.
I have some references already and a good video by JFP films out of Africa but am wondering if anyone on the forum might know of some other specific references I could use? I understand the basic rising shoulders, lenticels changing from white to yellow finally brown, and stem/peduncle drying out. Id like to go fairly deep, beyond what a homeowner might want to know.

Can anybody add some references to help me go deeper?
It doesn't matter if it gets technical chemically or metabolic processes, I will try to adapt the information to a less informed audience. Thanks to anyone for help!

Here is the best video reference in case you'd like to know. Excellent explanation,animation, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4qSHrepLL8

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I am growing in south Florida. Maybe you folks got something different. I got the World's best direct from Bryce Garling and they are comparable to Thai Dwarf.
Not sour.
It's also possible that the variety performs differently in Florida compared to California. In our springtime we regularly get temps into the 80's or approaching 90's and around 70 at night. How does that compare with the temps you folks are seeing when yours fruit?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finding Land in South FL
« on: May 30, 2023, 09:37:55 AM »
For me, I like the idea of putting an RV on it, getting a management company and throwing it on Airbnb. Then it isn't sitting vacant most of time, deterring squatters and (some) theft. Yes there's strangers on it, but a different clientele, so should be a worthy trade off. Plus the added income opens up your price ceiling a bit.
It's such a hard time to buy here right now.
Note to other natives: yes, I realize that encouraging someone to move here from out of state is against The Code, but I would like to argue leniency in the case of growers. I would trade my newest neighbor for Jabo in a heartbeat. ... Maybe we should institute a draft!
There may be some areas you could put an RV but other areas that isn't allowed. Don't count on it but they did get lenient in my area but only temporary because of hurricane recovery. The regulations in Florida are ridiculous not at all like Tennessee or other rural states.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finding Land in South FL
« on: May 30, 2023, 09:35:09 AM »
Ok, so thank you for the advice everyone.
I talked with my parents and we came to the conclusion that my 1/4 acre in the middle of Florida isn't a good idea lol. First off, I'm worried about frosts (couldn't do coconuts). and second, there is nothing to do within a 1.5 hour drive. lodging would be a pain too.
They'd rather buy a land themselves in a better location with things to do.
I'm eyeing Pine Island now. It's a beautiful place with a great microclimate too. Can grow basically whatever I want.
Now, the main problems are going to be my absence from the land if it ended up happening.
I was thinking of doing a salak hedge or something to keep intruders out.
And I thought I could just plant the trees and leave...but looks like they need to be watered regularly for the first few years.
I was hoping to just spam down a bunch of bananas and coconuts. Top tier fruits and coconuts are always producing. Coconuts seem like it's just plant and forget.
I guess the others may be tougher like mango. Also would have to plant away from the street too.
But still, if I'm only at the land 6 or so times max a year, something could always happen.
That's more than I thought I had to think about :P

Im on Pine Island so anything you are looking at just get in touch. Regarding absentee I do know a fellow who planted 1/4 acre mango plot and set up a wireless camera system so he could watch his trees. They are only just planted not bearing yet but he got pleasure sitting in Atlanta admiring his trees on the screen. He eventually sold the lot. It was 13820 Stringfellow Road, you can see it on Google Maps.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sea weed
« on: May 24, 2023, 04:57:56 PM »
There is some evidence that iron from Saharan dust is part of the reason for proliferation. In the ocean, iron is often a limiting nutrient.
http://railsback.org/Fundamentals/SFMGFeasnutrient02.pdf

Back in the 90's some were proposing a scheme to use the great Southern Ocean where hardly anybody goes as a giant carbon sink to absorb CO2 just by spreading iron in the sea down there. It might make more sense than many proposals currently in vogue. You could turn it off very quickly by stopping if negative concerns came about.

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The only tree I gave up on was Muntingia calabura. It grew into a huge beast in just a few years and made some Ok small fruit.
The problem came when it started throwing out dozens of root suckers up to 50 feet away by year 4. It had to go.

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