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Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« on: July 11, 2013, 10:45:56 PM »
Hi everybody! I have a small question for you guys. Should I prune this new mango tree? It is a haden and it has already new shoots growing. I don't know if I should prune it because it looks great, but it's big. I took a picture of it next to my grow room for the winter to give an idea of the height of the room. I need to keep it small enough to fit in it? Any ideas? It's already over 6 feet tall if you're wondering.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2013, 12:54:34 AM »
IMO, just leave it alone for now. Looks nices and looks like it is about to push some flowers.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2013, 06:53:10 AM »
From a fellow in-the-house-grower, yes, I would pug it now to give you plenty of time for good growth.  Your circumstances demand a compact plant.  Pugging it will give you nice branching and shape.  You undo the ties to that stake and your plant will just fall over.  Pug it now, that trunk and branches will be nice and strong.  Just my two cents.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2013, 01:44:44 PM »
Thanks Ohiojay! You were right I removed the ties and it started to fall, so I pug it to about 3-4 feet tall. Hope it survives!

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2013, 02:14:05 PM »
I agree with Jay; as a fellow grower under lights you need to do everything you can to keep the plant compact for the long term.  Pug it now!

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2013, 02:45:25 PM »
I would have pugged it about 8" above the graft.  Go big or GO HOME!   ;D

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2013, 12:30:32 AM »
I have a potted Maha Chanok that is way too tall with crappy branching structure. Will it survive pugging if there are no leaves left?

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2013, 02:02:55 AM »
I have a potted Maha Chanok that is way too tall with crappy branching structure. Will it survive pugging if there are no leaves left?

I've only pugged one mango plant in my life (with excellent results), but most plants I've ever "pugged" deliberately or accidentally have responded very well, even with no leaves left, as long as the plant was relatively healthy.  Palms are a notable exception, and I haven't had good luck with tree ferns in the past either but I've seen many in the wild that responded well to beheading.

But for most potted plants that are "floppy", have bad branching structure or are just too tall, pugging -- even very short -- works remarkably well, and as long as you leave a few dormant buds (of the scion you want to keep if grafted).  I believe it can even speed up blooming / fruiting in many plants, though you always need to ensure the plant is large and healthy enough to handle the fruit load.  Wire-training and further tipping / trimming of the resulting branches can ensure a branch structure you'll be happy with.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2013, 02:13:51 AM »
I just wanna say: that is one nice, happy looking tree, good luck.
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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2013, 03:10:42 PM »
Thanks Everybody!

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2013, 03:28:39 PM »
Hi everybody! I have a small question for you guys. Should I prune this new mango tree? ......The tree:

The tree in the original photo looks rather spindly, or gangly, as if it wasn't received enough sunlight and has been putting most effort into growing vertically to capture more light.   I would cut the main trunk off approximately 8"-12" above the graft as Ohiojay suggested.  Then, be sure it received enough sunlight or it will likely regrow a weak spindly trunk.
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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 04:17:45 PM »
Should I be scared because there's no leaves at 12'' above the graft?

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2013, 05:14:30 PM »
Should I be scared because there's no leaves at 12'' above the graft?

No, it will grow more.  I know it's hard to chop all the leaves off a plant-- it just doesn't seem right-- but as long as it was fairly healthy to begin with it will rebound quickly.

I'd recommend 8" above the graft; if it doesn't have any leaves at 12" above the graft those last 4 inches won't make any difference in leaves but will make for a more compact plant in the long-term.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2013, 06:26:41 PM »
Hello Gang;

So when you pug a mango tree 8'' Above the Graft , The Trunk Will Grow Back Stronger ?

And is any Type Of Dressing Required For The Wound ?
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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 07:33:18 PM »
Only in the sense that it is no longer a 5-6' jump rope tied to a stake.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2013, 08:36:50 PM »
Jay do you apply anything to the wound to help with the healing process? I'm about to pug a VP mango tree due to weird s shape branch structure.
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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2013, 09:16:22 PM »
I pugged my Maha Chanok from 7 ft to 2 ft :-(
I hope it survives. I put some Elmer's glue on the cut.


« Last Edit: July 15, 2013, 09:17:55 PM by mangobaby »

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2013, 07:25:42 AM »
Any nursery should have that tree wound cover.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2013, 10:29:25 AM »
Jay do you apply anything to the wound to help with the healing process? I'm about to pug a VP mango tree due to weird s shape branch structure.
 Thanks Ed.

Do not cover the wound! Putting something on the cut is antiquated knowledge and it actually has been shown to cause more damage to the tree by preventing compartmentalization and increasing fungal growth.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2013, 10:43:27 AM »
I've posted these pictures before but I'm posting them for Samuel...incase he hasn't see them  :)

I'm not telling you do this to your tree but just wanted to show me my results on a Haden mango tree I "pugged" several years ago...though I no longer have this tree, it died during one of our brutal freezes  :'(, several months later in winter of 2010 after I pugged it. I just want to show you some pictures...

I wish it lived I would have like to see what it looks like today...Sad I lost it  :'(

July 31 2008  Appx. 6ft tall


Aug  4 2008 Pugged it to 2ft


8-26-08


Sept. 30 2008


Oct. 24 2008


Oct. 24 2008


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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2013, 10:44:58 AM »
BTW, forgot to mention I did not put anything on the cut just like Sheehan mentioned...FWIW

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2013, 11:08:11 PM »
Should I be scared because there's no leaves at 12'' above the graft?

Yes, I believe so.  I would suggest waiting on the pugging until your tree has been established in its new home to minimize stress.  I successfully pugged two mango trees below the leaves, but my trees are in-ground and in sunny south Florida.  I can also get replacement grafted mango trees locally for $25 in case I kill them, which I think you cannot.  Pugging the tree will stress your tree.  Please make sure your tree has PLENTY of water, don't drown it, but make sure it is properly hydrated.  Look at the leaves and see the "bud" at the base of the leaf.  Look for these buds on your tree's trunk, make sure you cut above an area that has a few of these buds to encourage new branch growth from the buds.  Ensure your cut is "clean" to aid in healing, rather than a jagged sloppy cut.

Haden is a large tree.  In your future acquisitions, perhaps get a tree that naturally dwarfs, such as Pickering or Cogshall.  I just pugged a Harvest Moon below the leaves.  I have no experience with indoor growing.

Trees get that lolly pop shape because they are grown in large nurseries next to eachother and have to grow upward to get light. 
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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2013, 01:26:20 AM »
Every time I cleft graft a mango seedling, it is chopped off below the leaves at 150-250mm (6"-10").  They never fail to put out rootstock suckers.  If the tree is healthy, I wouldn't worry about the absence of leaves.
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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2013, 08:15:07 AM »
also helps providing good nutrition to the tree like a foilar citrus nutritional spray. I noticed after spraying it on my carrie tree which is in a pot and over fertilized when in the grown, has helped new growth should out the bark in multiple places.

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Re: Should I prune or pug this mango tree?
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 11:24:19 AM »
Pug Thank You For The Referance Pics ! Great Looking Haden ! Sorry for the loss.

Does The Tree Trunk Stay 2 Ft For The Life Of The Tree ?
Thanks Ed..

P.s Pug Great Looking Property ! ...
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