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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedless Lychee In Florida...??
« on: August 05, 2018, 10:06:07 PM »
i bet if you called TT they’d try to blame the grower instead of fess up to the cr@p they pull on a regular basis
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee pruning and air layers
« on: July 31, 2018, 12:26:54 AM »
thanks for the tips!
i had 1/2 dose osmocote plus but avoided my usual fertilizing schedule because i was afraid it would cause fruit drop. will try scheduled low dose ferts next year.
i actually used black cow for a container lychee once... it was like growing in mud and the high nitrogen content initially burned the leaves. after the tree got established it ended up being happy as a clam. i would definitely try it if i put my lychees in ground in the future.
i had 1/2 dose osmocote plus but avoided my usual fertilizing schedule because i was afraid it would cause fruit drop. will try scheduled low dose ferts next year.
i actually used black cow for a container lychee once... it was like growing in mud and the high nitrogen content initially burned the leaves. after the tree got established it ended up being happy as a clam. i would definitely try it if i put my lychees in ground in the future.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee pruning and air layers
« on: July 29, 2018, 09:45:05 PM »
would any lychee growers have any advice about conditions that change the flavor of the fruit? i just harvested emperor, mauritius, and sweetheart from container lychees. the sweetheart was sweet (not overly), but the emperor was very subtle. i even picked them at different stages, with the last batch being almost brown colored skin.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help: wax apple won’t flower
« on: July 04, 2018, 11:41:32 PM »
any pics of it?
how many hours of sunlight is it getting?
how many hours of sunlight is it getting?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: lychee experts how do you pick out a good young airlyared lychee tree?
« on: June 18, 2018, 10:36:15 PM »
i’ve always gone for the lychee with the thickest trunk, as long as it looks like it is in good health (as demonstrated by recent growths that look healthy), even if the canopy isn’t huge.
i’ve found lychee to be able to give vigorous growth after pruning or damage (eg heat/drought damage) - ive harmed many lychees by accident and they die back a little but put out vigorous growth. the thicker the trunk, the more vigorous the growth. the main danger is if it happens in the fal, the tree will go into dormancy instead of push regrowth. another danger is if the tree isn’t protected from wind or has salt burn (use osmocote plus or foliage pro, use rain water RO or filter) it won’t grow back well.
if the canopy shape doesn’t look ideal, just let it grow wild for 1 season to let it get established, then in the second year prune the canopy as soon as you see the first vegetative growth of the spring (if winter is over).
my lychees don’t seem to mind wet feet, and almost all were mildly root bound at purchase but gave healthy growth with wind protection, rain water, good soil (pH 6), and foliage pro fertiligation (with half dose osmocote plus)
i’ve found lychee to be able to give vigorous growth after pruning or damage (eg heat/drought damage) - ive harmed many lychees by accident and they die back a little but put out vigorous growth. the thicker the trunk, the more vigorous the growth. the main danger is if it happens in the fal, the tree will go into dormancy instead of push regrowth. another danger is if the tree isn’t protected from wind or has salt burn (use osmocote plus or foliage pro, use rain water RO or filter) it won’t grow back well.
if the canopy shape doesn’t look ideal, just let it grow wild for 1 season to let it get established, then in the second year prune the canopy as soon as you see the first vegetative growth of the spring (if winter is over).
my lychees don’t seem to mind wet feet, and almost all were mildly root bound at purchase but gave healthy growth with wind protection, rain water, good soil (pH 6), and foliage pro fertiligation (with half dose osmocote plus)
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lone lychee
« on: June 16, 2018, 01:21:00 AM »
anyone know what cultivation factors affect lychee taste?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lone lychee
« on: June 14, 2018, 07:58:22 PM »
you can try spraying auxin to reduce fruit abscission
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are mature lychee trees less fincky?
« on: June 11, 2018, 02:48:13 PM »
i'll also give an interesting story:
i purchased 3 emperor lychees (all with Pine Island Nursery tags), which were all similar size (trunk, canopy, etc). all grown next to each other, on the same watering/fertilizer schedule.
1 emperor was slower (1 week later than the other two emperors), and the final fall flush was damaged by a cold front (the other two emperor growths had hardened off).
in spring, the 2 synchronized emperor bloomed first and had tons of small fruit but then suddenly dropped all of them. the slower emperor also bloomed, but a couple weeks late - this one has held onto all its fruit (3g pot purchased Feb 2017, now blooming and holding 33 fruit).
I took care of all 3 trees exactly the same and got completely different results. Not yet sure what caused the fruit drop, but my philosophy now is more trees and keep them smallish (4-6ft canopy) so i can fit more
i purchased 3 emperor lychees (all with Pine Island Nursery tags), which were all similar size (trunk, canopy, etc). all grown next to each other, on the same watering/fertilizer schedule.
1 emperor was slower (1 week later than the other two emperors), and the final fall flush was damaged by a cold front (the other two emperor growths had hardened off).
in spring, the 2 synchronized emperor bloomed first and had tons of small fruit but then suddenly dropped all of them. the slower emperor also bloomed, but a couple weeks late - this one has held onto all its fruit (3g pot purchased Feb 2017, now blooming and holding 33 fruit).
I took care of all 3 trees exactly the same and got completely different results. Not yet sure what caused the fruit drop, but my philosophy now is more trees and keep them smallish (4-6ft canopy) so i can fit more
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are mature lychee trees less fincky?
« on: June 11, 2018, 02:19:36 AM »
check out lycheesonline.com video from this (2018) year. they take care of their trees and get variable yields.
the established trees are less susceptible to wind damage because they can push larger growths and also probably gets big enough for the exterior to block the wind from passing through the entire tree
. in some parts of the country, vermon isnt an issue.
the established trees are less susceptible to wind damage because they can push larger growths and also probably gets big enough for the exterior to block the wind from passing through the entire tree
. in some parts of the country, vermon isnt an issue.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee: Seed vs Air-layered
« on: June 04, 2018, 11:55:53 PM »
it’ll take 10 years for a seed to produce fruit (if ever). getting lychee fruit is a complex. in winter, different trees have different cold tolerance and dormancy patterns, so an inferior cultivar may not survive cold winters. then, they have different chill preferences/requirements to flower.
sometimes the seedling die suddenly for no apparent reason. i have a couple seedling grown for fun (about 2ft tall after 4-5 years), but my main focus are the air layers.
air layer can produce fruit in following spring, and would be of superior quality.
would highly recommend against seedling. it’s a ton of time and effort for marginal gain.
sometimes the seedling die suddenly for no apparent reason. i have a couple seedling grown for fun (about 2ft tall after 4-5 years), but my main focus are the air layers.
air layer can produce fruit in following spring, and would be of superior quality.
would highly recommend against seedling. it’s a ton of time and effort for marginal gain.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: lychee online.com
« on: May 29, 2018, 07:51:31 PM »GLPg tag:Just bought some organic lychees in whole foods yesterday.
I paid about $8.99 for a quart of them. Not sure the actual weight.
BTW they were excellent.
Just for a frame of reference, have you had fresh lychees before not from the grocery store?
"Redland Raised - Organically produced Lychee at Green Groves for Bee Heaven Farm. Fresh from Florida."
Website for the farm is listed www.green-groves.com. Organic certification #0167GLP.
Will be making a trip to South Florida sometime over the next week or so for work, so I'll make the run to a few of the mango growers on the forum and a few members to pick-up / drop-off some plants for some exchanges. I'll probably make a stop at a Lychee farm as well. Is there anybody who you would recommend that I stop at? Like I said, these were excellent - nice combination of sweet and tart. I ended up eating 3 or 4 of them and my eldest son ate the rest. He is a soccer player and very particular about what he eats so for him to finish off the fruit is a win for me.
very interested which cultivar it is.
do you live close to florida? i’ve never seen florida lychees in store before
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: lychee online.com
« on: May 29, 2018, 02:07:08 AM »I haven't seen any market that sells sweetheart
most are imported from mexico. i think SH is mainly a florida cultivar.
will be interested to see the difference in taste and seed
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: May 29, 2018, 02:04:44 AM »they are excellent on a hot day. crisp and refreshing. my wife loves the taste.
in 9b i grow them in containers but must keep them
indoor or heated when temps dip below 40
I recently bought 4 wax apple trees and plan on keeping them in pots for the next couple years. Mine is about 6-7 feet tall. You worry me when you say it needs to be indoor or heated when it's below 40. Could you elaborate on this ? I live in bradenton and it's a 9b/10a zone and last year it dipped below 40 a few times.
they r not very cold tolerant. a friend w in ground jambus in zone 8b had all of them die this winter. this winter i kept 2 indoors and 1 in the greenhouse (heated when temps go below 35). they all survived, but the outdoor one lost a lot of leaves as temps dropped below 40. one indoor jambu lost leaves because i watered it too much (only going to water once a week this winter) - was lucky i didn’t kill it
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: lychee online.com
« on: May 27, 2018, 11:52:20 PM »
is this their usual price?
maybe the lychees are rippening later than usua?
maybe the lychees are rippening later than usua?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax Jambu anyone?
« on: May 25, 2018, 12:03:18 AM »
they are excellent on a hot day. crisp and refreshing. my wife loves the taste.
in 9b i grow them in containers but must keep them
indoor or heated when temps dip below 40
in 9b i grow them in containers but must keep them
indoor or heated when temps dip below 40
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax apples
« on: April 06, 2018, 12:51:37 AM »
they go dormant in the winter and don’t need to be watered much at all. the varieties i find more desirable are black diamond, black pearl.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: March 28, 2018, 05:09:47 PM »
I've used mycostim and Mykos. Can't say definitively they made a huge difference.
It's interesting to note that mycostim has fungi plus cottonseed meal, so it is supplement N in additional to mycoses.
It's interesting to note that mycostim has fungi plus cottonseed meal, so it is supplement N in additional to mycoses.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee success in SoCal
« on: March 21, 2018, 04:46:10 PM »
foliar sprays for fruit drop prevention
http://www.actahort.org/books/863/863_44.htm
THE EFFECT OF FOLIAR SPRAYS OF THE SYNTHETIC AUXIN 3-5-6 TPA, ON FRUIT DROP, FRUIT SIZE AND SEED DEVELOPMENT IN THREE LYCHEE (LITCHI CHINENSIS) CULTIVARS: TAI SO, FAY ZEE SUI AND KWAI MAI PINK
Fruit drop in lychee can cause major yield losses in Australia, the severity varying with cultivar and season. Research in China, South Africa and Israel has demonstrated the potential for synthetic auxins used as foliar sprays to reduce fruit drop in lychee. Trials were initiated in Australia to test the efficacy of the synthetic auxin, 3-5-6 Trichloro-2-phridyl-oxyacetic acid (3-5-6 TPA) at 50 ppm on the cultivars Tai So, Fay Zee Sui and Kwai Mai Pink. Results indicate that in most cases the TPA reduced natural fruit drop however the size of the fruit at the time of application affects the response and the ideal application time varies with cultivar; approximately 13 mm fruit length in ‘Kwai Mai Pink’, 20 mm in ‘Fay Zee Sui’ and 27 mm in ‘Tai So’. If applied too early in ‘Tai So’, it caused an increase in fruit drop. The TPA was most effective when natural fruit drop was high, reducing fruit drop from 74.7 to 34.9% in ‘Kwai Mai Pink’ and least effective when natural fruit drop was low. An increase in the percentage of fruit with poorly developed (chicken tongue) seed and slightly larger fruit size was also observed in treated trees.
http://www.actahort.org/books/863/863_44.htm
THE EFFECT OF FOLIAR SPRAYS OF THE SYNTHETIC AUXIN 3-5-6 TPA, ON FRUIT DROP, FRUIT SIZE AND SEED DEVELOPMENT IN THREE LYCHEE (LITCHI CHINENSIS) CULTIVARS: TAI SO, FAY ZEE SUI AND KWAI MAI PINK
Fruit drop in lychee can cause major yield losses in Australia, the severity varying with cultivar and season. Research in China, South Africa and Israel has demonstrated the potential for synthetic auxins used as foliar sprays to reduce fruit drop in lychee. Trials were initiated in Australia to test the efficacy of the synthetic auxin, 3-5-6 Trichloro-2-phridyl-oxyacetic acid (3-5-6 TPA) at 50 ppm on the cultivars Tai So, Fay Zee Sui and Kwai Mai Pink. Results indicate that in most cases the TPA reduced natural fruit drop however the size of the fruit at the time of application affects the response and the ideal application time varies with cultivar; approximately 13 mm fruit length in ‘Kwai Mai Pink’, 20 mm in ‘Fay Zee Sui’ and 27 mm in ‘Tai So’. If applied too early in ‘Tai So’, it caused an increase in fruit drop. The TPA was most effective when natural fruit drop was high, reducing fruit drop from 74.7 to 34.9% in ‘Kwai Mai Pink’ and least effective when natural fruit drop was low. An increase in the percentage of fruit with poorly developed (chicken tongue) seed and slightly larger fruit size was also observed in treated trees.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help slow release fertilizer.
« on: March 19, 2018, 12:38:50 AM »
osmocote plus. go buy it on amazon now. the usual price is $20-25
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting citrus in a bath tub
« on: March 11, 2018, 10:44:25 PM »
plant in a raised garden bed or a large bottomless container. use a well draining soil - make your own with pine bark fines and don’t add peat
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: February 25, 2018, 11:24:23 PM »
lychee grafted to longan?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee grafting experiments
« on: February 25, 2018, 09:33:13 PM »
will be excited to hear results of this experiment. the soil here in houston is also alkaline clay. i’ve hesitated to put the container lychees into the ground and have been pleasantly surprised at their grow in cintainers
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Lychee Bloom
« on: February 21, 2018, 12:37:52 AM »
any advice for improving fruit yield and preventing loss?
how to prevent fruit drop, fungus/aphids, and other common causes of early loss?
how to prevent fruit drop, fungus/aphids, and other common causes of early loss?
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: February 13, 2018, 10:20:18 AM »Mark, I talked to aeromist and they said no issue gravity feeding RO water to my 1/3gpm mist pump. So I have one of my barrels feeding the pump now with RO. Seems to work fine. I was getting calcium on the fans and figured may as well try it with RO. Seems fine, just have to make sure the RO keeps up with the pump size and usage.
Thanks for the info again. Have decided to not include a water softener before the R/O knowing full well I'll be replacing filter membranes often.
Yeah, those Japanese methods are pretty wild Andrew. Just wonder how they would hold up after 10 years or so. Note, they can't be getting a lot of light but look at that production, sheesh!
it’s almost like container growing... the container forum folks strongly encourage root pruning and replacement of the container mix every 1-2 years. i’ve asked them about mega-sized container growing and there doesn’t seem to be as much experience.
i missed the part about decreasing exposure to light. what was the reason?
i’m going to try this with my some of my container lychees
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hoop house
« on: February 13, 2018, 01:00:30 AM »That is looking suhhhhhhweeet. Is that redwood framing? You could easily install very efficient DIY vertical wet pads each side of the door.
If I had to do it all over again and wanted to produce fruit hortizonally rather than vertically I'd learn and do the japanese way for mangos, avocados, cherimoyas, etc. My greenhouse columns are 10' with a roof peak at 18'. Wish they were 8' to cut down on heating costs and maintenance.
Check out page 22 and on. http://www.hawaiitropicalfruitgrowers.org/conferences/2016/2016_JohnYoshimiYonemoto_PruningforAvocadoandMangoProduction.pdf
my mind is blown
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