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Title: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on May 22, 2015, 12:32:23 AM
A friend recently brought me over some giant canistels to try out. Wow! They were mind blowingly good. I'm not a huge fan of canistels. But these ones i devoured right away. I liked them so much i forgot to take a photo.  :'( They look like my Phillippine Pointed but are much wider, especially at the top. They were much better than the PP and also way better than Ross Sapote.. Much more moist, and none of that strong cloying musky taste most canistels have. Another big plus was zero latex. I will have to beg my friend to bring me more fruits, and hopefully some scion wood. Will post more later if i can get them.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 22, 2015, 12:36:53 AM
A friend recently brought me over some giant canistels to try out. Wow! They were mind blowingly good. I'm not a huge fan of canistels. But these ones i devoured right away. I liked them so much i forgot to take a photo.  :'( They look like my Phillippine Pointed but are much wider, especially at the top. They were much better than the PP and also way better than Ross Sapote.. Much more moist, and none of that strong cloying musky taste most canistels have. Another big plus was zero latex. I will have to beg my friend to bring me more fruits, and hopefully some scion wood. Will post more later if i can get them.

scionwood me.

i'm sold...just tell me what to call it  ;D

maybe "cannibal", because it taste so good you'd bite your friends hand off if they tried to take it?

Cannibal canistel has a nice ring to it...maybe i will have to start a death metal band if you don't choose this name... :P

( I could tour all the fruit clubs in FL!...Simcox brothers on guitar and drums!)
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on May 22, 2015, 12:42:08 AM
A friend recently brought me over some giant canistels to try out. Wow! They were mind blowingly good. I'm not a huge fan of canistels. But these ones i devoured right away. I liked them so much i forgot to take a photo.  :'( They look like my Phillippine Pointed but are much wider, especially at the top. They were much better than the PP and also way better than Ross Sapote.. Much more moist, and none of that strong cloying musky taste most canistels have. Another big plus was zero latex. I will have to beg my friend to bring me more fruits, and hopefully some scion wood. Will post more later if i can get them.

scionwood me.

i'm sold...just tell me what to call it  ;D

maybe "cannibal", because it taste so good you'd bite your friends hand off if they tried to take it?

Cannibal canistel has a nice ring to it...maybe i will have to start a death metal band if you don't choose this name... :P

( I could tour all the fruit clubs in FL!...Simcox brothers on guitar and drums!)

I thought of a name already. I'm going to call it Jay Ram Canistel, in honor of the person here that planted it. This was no mere accident. Apparently, as story goes, he planted many canistels on his property, and this is the only one to kill for.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 22, 2015, 12:45:21 AM
Oscar....

that thing is money!!

get some scion woods circulated...a new canistel variety is hard to come by...and it's a top notch fruit with a bright future!!

I will pray you get this one going!

good luck!
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 22, 2015, 12:46:56 AM
is Ray Jam still alive?  a fruit collector in Hawaii?
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on May 22, 2015, 01:21:13 AM
is Ray Jam still alive?  a fruit collector in Hawaii?

Yes fruit collector, yes still alive (i think). He's on the lam.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Tropicaliste on May 22, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
This sounds good. Would love to try it and see if I like it. That would be nice to be able to spread the variety around and have your hand in putting out a popular new Canistel, Oscar.

I don't enjoy most Canistel. It feels like eating pudding left out until it was dry. Lol. Then I've only eaten the Philippine type. Maybe there are other types I would like.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FruitFreak on May 22, 2015, 08:30:12 AM
Adam -  do you grow canistel locally?  Would the cold hardiness be on par with white sapote?
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: HMHausman on May 22, 2015, 09:19:41 AM
I would ordinarily say that "Canistel" following the words "outrageously delicious" seems like one of the greatest non-sequitur lines of all time.  But you have this Canistel tolerator intrigued.  A bit about the growing conditions......elevation, etc. when you get a chance.  And no pictures?  Oscar, I am a bit concerned.  Are you OK?
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: From the sea on May 22, 2015, 09:30:08 AM
Adam -  do you grow canistel locally?  Would the cold hardiness be on par with white sapote?

I think they are more tropical
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 22, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
Adam -  do you grow canistel locally?  Would the cold hardiness be on par with white sapote?

I think they are more tropical

Yes I grow canisters in pots...they seem to be slightly more cold tolerant than a mango...can easily survive 28F with minimal damage...25-26F starts to really hurt the tree if prolonged.

I suppose the kill temp is around 24-26, depending on severity of freeze and maturity of tree.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: gunnar429 on May 22, 2015, 10:14:21 AM
A friend recently brought me over some giant canistels to try out. Wow! They were mind blowingly good. I'm not a huge fan of canistels. But these ones i devoured right away. I liked them so much i forgot to take a photo.  :'( They look like my Phillippine Pointed but are much wider, especially at the top. They were much better than the PP and also way better than Ross Sapote.. Much more moist, and none of that strong cloying musky taste most canistels have. Another big plus was zero latex. I will have to beg my friend to bring me more fruits, and hopefully some scion wood. Will post more later if i can get them.

scionwood me.

i'm sold...just tell me what to call it  ;D

maybe "cannibal", because it taste so good you'd bite your friends hand off if they tried to take it?

Cannibal canistel has a nice ring to it...maybe i will have to start a death metal band if you don't choose this name... :P

( I could tour all the fruit clubs in FL!...Simcox brothers on guitar and drums!)

 ;D ;D ;D hilarious
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: gunnar429 on May 22, 2015, 10:16:24 AM
Oscar....

that thing is money!!

get some scion woods circulated...a new canistel variety is hard to come by...and it's a top notch fruit with a bright future!!

I will pray you get this one going!

good luck!
Adam, Put me down for a pre-heal if you get scions!
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: ScottR on May 22, 2015, 11:22:39 AM
WOW, Oscar, sounds like you found a winner ;)Await the day when you can offer scion wood 8)
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Central Floridave on May 22, 2015, 01:24:20 PM
"slightly more cold tolerant than a mango"

I would say the opposite is true.  I've never lost a mango from cold. Canistel don't make it this far North unless very protected.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on May 22, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
lol Preheal McNeil gets a deal!

(I might need to start a subsidiary nursery that only sells prehealed grafted plants...call, "Prehealed McNeil's")

Oscar....

that thing is money!!

get some scion woods circulated...a new canistel variety is hard to come by...and it's a top notch fruit with a bright future!!

I will pray you get this one going!

good luck!
Adam, Put me down for a pre-heal if you get scions!
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: nullzero on May 22, 2015, 01:55:36 PM
lol Preheal McNeil gets a deal!

(I might need to start a subsidiary nursery that only sells prehealed grafted plants...call, "Prehealed McNeil's")

Oscar....

that thing is money!!

get some scion woods circulated...a new canistel variety is hard to come by...and it's a top notch fruit with a bright future!!

I will pray you get this one going!

good luck!
Adam, Put me down for a pre-heal if you get scions!

I would take a preheal as well if there available in the future.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: xshen on May 22, 2015, 01:58:30 PM
lol Preheal McNeil gets a deal!

(I might need to start a subsidiary nursery that only sells prehealed grafted plants...call, "Prehealed McNeil's")

Oscar....

that thing is money!!

get some scion woods circulated...a new canistel variety is hard to come by...and it's a top notch fruit with a bright future!!

I will pray you get this one going!

good luck!
Adam, Put me down for a pre-heal if you get scions!

I would take a preheal as well if there available in the future.


me 3
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on May 22, 2015, 06:02:44 PM
This sounds good. Would love to try it and see if I like it. That would be nice to be able to spread the variety around and have your hand in putting out a popular new Canistel, Oscar.

I don't enjoy most Canistel. It feels like eating pudding left out until it was dry. Lol. Then I've only eaten the Philippine type. Maybe there are other types I would like.

This one is so unique that i think it would appeal to most people, even canistel haters.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on May 22, 2015, 06:06:33 PM
I would ordinarily say that "Canistel" following the words "outrageously delicious" seems like one of the greatest non-sequitur lines of all time.  But you have this Canistel tolerator intrigued.  A bit about the growing conditions......elevation, etc. when you get a chance.  And no pictures?  Oscar, I am a bit concerned.  Are you OK?

Your being in the law profession, i would like to reply that i enter that in judgement as exhibit A----The fruit was so darned good that i ate them both with great excitement, before it dawned on me that i should take a photo. Later i had a visitor over, a forum member, and we ate the third one together. He said it tasted like winter squash to him. I think a better descripition would be a very rich and juicy sweet potato or yam.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: barath on May 22, 2015, 10:58:28 PM
So I was the one lucky enough to try it while visiting Oscar, and I'd say it tasted like winter squash in a good way - smooth and rich and even like it had been spiced with something.  I haven't cared much for other related fruits I've had, so maybe my palate isn't representative, but this was definitely the best I've tried.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: BigIslandGrower on May 24, 2015, 07:54:28 PM
Interesting.  As a Canistel lover, I wonder if it would strike me as vastly superior. Would love to try it, and grow it.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Triloba Tracker on May 25, 2015, 05:21:26 PM
Interesting.  As a Canistel lover, I wonder if it would strike me as vastly superior. Would love to try it, and grow it.

Ditto- love canistel but have limited experience. This one sounds amazing. Best of luck propagating it
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on June 29, 2015, 05:55:18 AM
Was able to get limited amount of scion wood of this excellent canistel. Making it available for those interested: 2 scions plus shipping in USA $16. PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Mike T on June 29, 2015, 06:56:14 AM
I have tried some pretty good canistels including some that are very large with perfect skin.I have a Ross sapote that is great and the best canistels are about on par with it and it produces multiple crops.
About 3 years ago Peter Salleras of Mission Beach (Feluga really) brought me a canistel that was bred by a local farmer which he said was great.Its first good crop ripened in the last few weeks and in a epiphany moment much like what Oscar experienced I was delighted with the first one.Thai visitors who have stayed at my place for 8 weeks have attacked the fruit like a plague of locusts and are absconding with every seed.The last one is ripe now.My visitors also have been quite taken with black sapotes and the local atemoyas.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 29, 2015, 10:57:18 AM
Was able to get limited amount of scion wood of this excellent canistel. Making it available for those interested: 2 scions plus shipping in USA $16. PM me if interested.

Oscar,

I'd take 2 scions for posterity!
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Bob407 on June 29, 2015, 11:39:09 AM
I'm not a big fan of canistels but have tasted one that was excellent and quite moist. Strangely enough it was a random fruit bought at Saigon Market in Orlando, Fl. I will keep trying them until I find a few winners and will be trying them in recipes in hopes to find a use, besides fresh. I still have not had a chance to sink my teeth into a Ross. I have heard there are a few trees around one area of the island but haven't had a chance to snoop around.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FlyingFoxFruits on June 29, 2015, 11:56:20 AM
I'm not a big fan of canistels but have tasted one that was excellent and quite moist. Strangely enough it was a random fruit bought at Saigon Market in Orlando, Fl. I will keep trying them until I find a few winners and will be trying them in recipes in hopes to find a use, besides fresh. I still have not had a chance to sink my teeth into a Ross. I have heard there are a few trees around one area of the island but haven't had a chance to snoop around.

Bob, keep snooping around Vieques like Peter Falk on an episode of Gilligan's Island....

you get my vote for "fruit hunter of the year"...

i just know you're going to unearth some real treasures, if you haven't already  ;)
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: echinopora on June 29, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
I had one the other day that was the  texture and sweetness of a fresh moist date, and tasted like canistel mixed with that artificial grape (think purple popsicle). But it was small and seedy. Definintely something I could eat out of hand and enjoy though.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Bob407 on June 29, 2015, 05:56:10 PM
I'm not a big fan of canistels but have tasted one that was excellent and quite moist. Strangely enough it was a random fruit bought at Saigon Market in Orlando, Fl. I will keep trying them until I find a few winners and will be trying them in recipes in hopes to find a use, besides fresh. I still have not had a chance to sink my teeth into a Ross. I have heard there are a few trees around one area of the island but haven't had a chance to snoop around.

Bob, keep snooping around Vieques like Peter Falk on an episode of Gilligan's Island....

you get my vote for "fruit hunter of the year"...

i just know you're going to unearth some real treasures, if you haven't already  ;)



Haa! Peter Falk with a dash of Hunter S. Thompson.

Adam you have the seedling from the canistel I am referring to somewhere in your flora flea market. It is labeled "Saigon Market".
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on June 29, 2015, 10:42:32 PM
I have tried some pretty good canistels including some that are very large with perfect skin.I have a Ross sapote that is great and the best canistels are about on par with it and it produces multiple crops.
About 3 years ago Peter Salleras of Mission Beach (Feluga really) brought me a canistel that was bred by a local farmer which he said was great.Its first good crop ripened in the last few weeks and in a epiphany moment much like what Oscar experienced I was delighted with the first one.Thai visitors who have stayed at my place for 8 weeks have attacked the fruit like a plague of locusts and are absconding with every seed.The last one is ripe now.My visitors also have been quite taken with black sapotes and the local atemoyas.

Mike you didn't get what i was trying to say. This canistel is in a different league. Way better than any Ross sapote. Almost seems like a different fruit. Doesn't have any of the strong musky taste or annoying cloying sweetness.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Bananaizme on December 08, 2015, 11:02:18 PM
    Hello Group

 I realize that this is a older thread but I was curious if anyone had success grafting scions of this " Jay Ram" canistel . After reading the description by Oscar it sounds like a tree that I would love to try growing at some point. Oscar i'm sure that you added it to your collection . Would Love to hear feedback especially of the grafting  successes of folks on this board.

 William
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Vernmented on December 08, 2015, 11:26:45 PM
    Hello Group

 I realize that this is a older thread but I was curious if anyone had success grafting scions of this " Jay Ram" canistel . After reading the description by Oscar it sounds like a tree that I would love to try growing at some point. Oscar i'm sure that you added it to your collection . Would Love to hear feedback especially of the grafting  successes of folks on this board.

 William

Mine didn't take. I am hoping he gets more in the future. Oscar didn't have any available when I asked him about it a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FloridaFruitGeek on December 09, 2015, 12:14:36 PM
This whole discussion has got me wondering about how different people react to the flavor and texture of particular canistel fruits. I haven't had the opportunity to try many named varieties -- the majority of my canistel eating experiences have been in the Sapotaceae grove at Fruit & Spice Park, where most of the trees are unlabled as to variety.

I absolutely LOVED the vast majority of canistels I ate there, as well as most I've eaten elsewhere. It's really my favorite fruit (yes, I like them more than mangoes!). But I was always puzzled about how the employees at FSP never seemed very excited about all those golden treasures dropping from the canistel trees. Whenever I asked them how they liked canistels, they'd typically shrug their shoulders and make some indifferent comment, sometimes saying it's too dry for them. Same comment I frequently see online, people saying they want a moister-fleshed canistel.

That gets me wondering. The dryness that other people complain about -- is it  exactly the texture I like in this fruit? Or are they just eating it at an earlier, drier stage than I'm eating them? Perhaps the varieties I've eaten just have particularly moist flesh?

And then there's flavor. Reading this thread, I wish I could sit next to Oscar of Fruitlovers, sampling the same canistels, to see if the "strong musky taste or annoying cloying sweetness" he detects in many varieties are qualities I would also find objectionable, or maybe the flavors he dislikes are exactly the flavors I love about this fruit. Oscar does say he's not a huge fan of canistels.

I've also heard people online complaining about canistels having a fart-like aroma. I've never detected any such smell in any canistels I've ever sniffed. Again, makes me wonder if we're dealing with different types of canistels, different stages of ripeness, or if we just have different noses.

Guess I need to meet up with some of the other people on this board during canistel season, and have a canistel taste-off. Have others noticed a wide range among people in which canistel varieties they prefer (flavor, texture, & aroma), or do you find that different people tend to rate canistel varieties similarly?

-Craig
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: zands on December 09, 2015, 05:51:53 PM
I am getting reports that white sapote can grow in your northern FL climate
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: gunnar429 on December 09, 2015, 10:23:59 PM
I had the same thought a few weeks ago.  Crazy. 

I have liked the unknown fruit that I have had at Fairchild and Benders grove.  But the only time I had a ross, it tasted grapefruity to me (not a grapefruit fan--but do like hops) and I am hoping that I like the Aru and Fairchild #2 I planted, but never tasted the fruit.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on December 10, 2015, 05:47:25 AM
This whole discussion has got me wondering about how different people react to the flavor and texture of particular canistel fruits. I haven't had the opportunity to try many named varieties -- the majority of my canistel eating experiences have been in the Sapotaceae grove at Fruit & Spice Park, where most of the trees are unlabled as to variety.

I absolutely LOVED the vast majority of canistels I ate there, as well as most I've eaten elsewhere. It's really my favorite fruit (yes, I like them more than mangoes!). But I was always puzzled about how the employees at FSP never seemed very excited about all those golden treasures dropping from the canistel trees. Whenever I asked them how they liked canistels, they'd typically shrug their shoulders and make some indifferent comment, sometimes saying it's too dry for them. Same comment I frequently see online, people saying they want a moister-fleshed canistel.

That gets me wondering. The dryness that other people complain about -- is it  exactly the texture I like in this fruit? Or are they just eating it at an earlier, drier stage than I'm eating them? Perhaps the varieties I've eaten just have particularly moist flesh?

And then there's flavor. Reading this thread, I wish I could sit next to Oscar of Fruitlovers, sampling the same canistels, to see if the "strong musky taste or annoying cloying sweetness" he detects in many varieties are qualities I would also find objectionable, or maybe the flavors he dislikes are exactly the flavors I love about this fruit. Oscar does say he's not a huge fan of canistels.

I've also heard people online complaining about canistels having a fart-like aroma. I've never detected any such smell in any canistels I've ever sniffed. Again, makes me wonder if we're dealing with different types of canistels, different stages of ripeness, or if we just have different noses.

Guess I need to meet up with some of the other people on this board during canistel season, and have a canistel taste-off. Have others noticed a wide range among people in which canistel varieties they prefer (flavor, texture, & aroma), or do you find that different people tend to rate canistel varieties similarly?

-Craig

I'd say you have a different opinion than most about canistel, especially given that you say you like canistels better than mangoes. Mangoes almost always make it to most people's top 10 fruits. I'd say that making it to top 10 is extremely rare for canistels, maybe even top 25.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Bananaizme on December 12, 2015, 07:14:51 AM
    Oscar

Were you successful in your grafting efforts to add this " Jay Ram " canistel to your collection , and if so how long do you think it would be until bud wood would be available ? Maybe a couple years ?

 William
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: BigIslandGrower on December 12, 2015, 11:31:50 AM

And then there's flavor. Reading this thread, I wish I could sit next to Oscar of Fruitlovers, sampling the same canistels, to see if the "strong musky taste or annoying cloying sweetness" he detects in many varieties are qualities I would also find objectionable, or maybe the flavors he dislikes are exactly the flavors I love about this fruit. \

Yes, I suspect that the qualities he finds objectionable are either unnoticed or pleasant to you-and me.

I'm another canistel fan, with limited experience eating different varieties.  Ross is the only one I'm currently growing

I'd like to try Oscar's find.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on December 12, 2015, 06:08:34 PM

And then there's flavor. Reading this thread, I wish I could sit next to Oscar of Fruitlovers, sampling the same canistels, to see if the "strong musky taste or annoying cloying sweetness" he detects in many varieties are qualities I would also find objectionable, or maybe the flavors he dislikes are exactly the flavors I love about this fruit. \

Yes, I suspect that the qualities he finds objectionable are either unnoticed or pleasant to you-and me.

I'm another canistel fan, with limited experience eating different varieties.  Ross is the only one I'm currently growing

I'd like to try Oscar's find.

It's not just me. Most people are not so crazy about canistel for the very same reasons. If you try to sell this fruit you will see what i mean. The good news is that there are selected types that i think would be a whole lot more popular with most folks.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on December 12, 2015, 06:10:32 PM
    Oscar

Were you successful in your grafting efforts to add this " Jay Ram " canistel to your collection , and if so how long do you think it would be until bud wood would be available ? Maybe a couple years ?

 William

Yes scions will not be available of this canistel for at least a couple of years.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Mike T on December 12, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
I have a canistel that was the end product of several generations of crossing the best types around here.It might be better than my Ross sapote with moist and rich flesh than is less sweet potato than most.Those big perfect,smooth skinned bright yellow types are dry too often and not moist enough.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Bananaizme on December 12, 2015, 07:21:53 PM
      Oscar

 Thanks for the reply. I will be patiently waiting . At this time I only have Trompo which is growing nicely.

 William
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Joshua on December 12, 2015, 08:36:45 PM
Please tell me more about canistall in a pot Jeff or anyone else.  I'm mainly a container gardener until iget some land and have sseveral just dying to get planted or repotted
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: gunnar429 on December 12, 2015, 10:12:13 PM
Joshua, here is the link of Adam's experience fruiting a Bruce in a pot

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9610.25 (http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=9610.25)
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Joshua on December 12, 2015, 11:17:55 PM
Sorry mabi I it was adam
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: FloridaFruitGeek on December 13, 2015, 12:30:08 PM

And then there's flavor. Reading this thread, I wish I could sit next to Oscar of Fruitlovers, sampling the same canistels, to see if the "strong musky taste or annoying cloying sweetness" he detects in many varieties are qualities I would also find objectionable, or maybe the flavors he dislikes are exactly the flavors I love about this fruit. \

Yes, I suspect that the qualities he finds objectionable are either unnoticed or pleasant to you-and me.

I'm another canistel fan, with limited experience eating different varieties.  Ross is the only one I'm currently growing

I'd like to try Oscar's find.

It's not just me. Most people are not so crazy about canistel for the very same reasons. If you try to sell this fruit you will see what i mean. The good news is that there are selected types that i think would be a whole lot more popular with most folks.


Part of what's so confusing about this discussion is that we don't have enough widely distributed clonal varieties of canistel to use as reference points, for people who are widely scattered geographically. What seems to be the most widely distributed variety of canistel (or relative of canistel, depending on who you ask) is Ross Sapote, and unfortunately there appear to be numerous seedling varieties being distributed under that name. So your Ross Sapote could potentially  have a very different flavor and texture than mine.

Not to mention differences in climate, soil, rootstock, stage at which fruit was picked, ripeness at time of eating, etc, etc.

We just need to have a bunch more canistel-eating parties, with named varieties, and everyone can fill out a form rating each variety!


Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: mangomike on February 04, 2016, 10:24:45 PM

"Yes fruit collector, yes still alive (i think). He's on the lam."

I would suggest NOT naming this fruit after Jay Ram,who is a notorious pedophile, but instead calling it the Triades (Tropical Research in Island Atoll Development Experiment Station, which was the name of Jay's farm). Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on February 05, 2016, 04:46:05 AM

"Yes fruit collector, yes still alive (i think). He's on the lam."

I would suggest NOT naming this fruit after Jay Ram,who is a notorious pedophile, but instead calling it the Triades (Tropical Research in Island Atoll Development Experiment Station, which was the name of Jay's farm). Just sayin'.
Was he ever convicted of anything? If not i think you're innocent till proven guilty. Anyway this has nothing to do with the fruit itself, or its inherent value.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Mango Stein on June 26, 2017, 08:45:05 AM
I think mangomike is right, should give it another name. Someone who keeps absconding (first to Florida, then allegedly to California) in order to escape trial is not worthy of the "innocent until proven guilty" standard.

The conviction rate for sex crimes in the US and other Western countries is very low and the conviction rate in general has gone way down (per unit of crime committed) due to more bureaucracy, political correctness, corruption, etc.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: snowjunky on November 17, 2019, 02:21:41 AM
    Oscar

Were you successful in your grafting efforts to add this " Jay Ram " canistel to your collection , and if so how long do you think it would be until bud wood would be available ? Maybe a couple years ?

 William

Yes scions will not be available of this canistel for at least a couple of years.
Oscar,
Have your "Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever" grafts fruited yet?  Do they consistently taste outrageously delicious?  Is scion wood available?  Any info on tree size, vigor and precociousness would be great too, thanks.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on November 17, 2019, 03:00:11 AM
    Oscar

Were you successful in your grafting efforts to add this " Jay Ram " canistel to your collection , and if so how long do you think it would be until bud wood would be available ? Maybe a couple years ?

 William
Unfortunately lost it.
Yes scions will not be available of this canistel for at least a couple of years.
Oscar,
Have your "Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever" grafts fruited yet?  Do they consistently taste outrageously delicious?  Is scion wood available?  Any info on tree size, vigor and precociousness would be great too, thanks.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Orkine on November 17, 2019, 09:16:23 PM
Too bad.

Did anyone who grafted a couple of years ago have this variety?

It would be nice to get this growing in different areas.  Preserve the selection.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: fruitlovers on November 18, 2019, 05:02:47 PM
Too bad.

Did anyone who grafted a couple of years ago have this variety?

It would be nice to get this growing in different areas.  Preserve the selection.
Maybe, will try to find out.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: sahai1 on November 19, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
also interested Oscar, I had a horrible Canistel from Frankies, and now I'm convinced mine I planted from seed will be horrible as well.

On Maui I had great canistel, paired with cheese and crackers was amazing.

That Maui canistel looked like Abiu in shape, so much that my friend gave me an Abiu and I assumed it was the same variety.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Mango Stein on April 20, 2020, 08:58:17 AM
Calling all Big Islanders. As far as I know, April is yellow sapote season. Hoping someone can sell seeds of this cv., should be somewhat easier to deal with than scions.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Orkine on May 30, 2020, 07:08:21 PM
Too bad.

Did anyone who grafted a couple of years ago have this variety?

It would be nice to get this growing in different areas.  Preserve the selection.
Maybe, will try to find out.
Still interested.
I moved my potted seedling into a larger sized bottomless pot so it is for all intents and purposes in the ground now.  It is a tad over a foot and a half tall and ready to be grafted.  Looking for a good variety to put on one of the branches while I wait to try the fruit from the seedling.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Orkine on December 28, 2020, 04:37:01 PM
Still interested.

I added a Ross to my seedling Canistel but will still like to add the Modce "Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever"

will appreciate if any of the original grafters can pls respond.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Capt Ram on January 01, 2021, 04:49:40 AM
I have four different varieties of canastels
seems trumpo to me is the best.. If left on the tree to ripen nice and moist and heavy producer.
another one I haven't heard mentioned much because it is touted as not being a heavy producer is fairchild number 2
This tree is amazingly productive every year and it's pretty good too..
(https://i.postimg.cc/75dPrL8h/20201230-091201.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75dPrL8h)
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: snowjunky on January 18, 2021, 07:32:12 AM
How cold hardy is canistel anyway?  Some websites say 23F some say 28F.
Is it cold hardier than mango, sapodilla or some other mid-20s F fruit tree?
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: HibachiDrama on January 19, 2021, 05:47:28 PM
I think its probably closer to mid-high 20s for a mature tree. Lychee, mango, and sapodilla are likely more cold tolerant. I was forecast for 28* for 6+ hours, and my 5' in-ground Ross Sapote has completely defoliated, but time will tell. I mounded mulch/compost around the trunk 2' high, and haven't removed it yet or done a scratch test. I took some 3g mamey, canistel, and green sapote inside that 28* night, but left them out for some nights between 32-35, and they've suffered leaf damage to varying degrees. My other container plants, which were out for the 32-35 nights, are barely showing any impact from cold (mangos, sapodilla, Luc's garcinia, lemon drop mangosteen, seashore mangosteen, allspice, rose apple, avocados, kwai muk).

The following is in the ground, and relatively unaffected at all by 28*: lychee, jabo, starfruit (still holding/maturing fruit), peanut butter fruit (AKA PBF, just finished fruiting 12/30), CoRG, pitanga, pitomba, acerola, pitangatuba, Savannah Cherry, white sapote, passion fruit, white guava, strawberry guava, tamarillo, mysore raspberry, jujube, curry leaf

Somewhat impacted:
20' Ice Cream Bean, yellow jabo, guarana, papaya (holding fruit), banana (holding fruit), 25' moringa (dropped 50% of growth)

Heavily Impacted:
Ross Sapote, 4' jackfruits (80% defoliation, buds burnt), 6' orange hog plum (100% defoliation, appears alive), solanum pachyandrum AKA Jolly Rancher Fruit (died back to main stem near ground, putting out small shoots)
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: snowjunky on February 02, 2021, 04:44:41 AM
Ross sapote is less cold tolerant than other normal canistels by at least 1 or 2 degrees F.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Mike T on February 02, 2021, 07:35:18 AM
Outrageously delicious isnt something you frequently hear before the word canistel. I have tried some bad ones and almost hocked up egg/sweet potato chalk. Moist, rich tasting sweet ones are the minority but I have tried a few that rival ross. I once has giant ross sapotes that were excellent and I even posted some pics here but never found them again. Some of the fruit here called canistel seem too different to be the same species.
Title: Re: Most Outrageously Delicious Canistel Ever
Post by: Guanabanus on February 02, 2021, 08:09:30 AM
Captain Ram, your picture looks like 'Aurea.'  The fruits of 'Trompo' are not elongated or nippled;  they are "spinning-top"-shaped--- that is what the name means, in Spanish.