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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #75 on: March 07, 2017, 05:36:18 PM »
Anyone know where I can get one of these trees? Preferably an easy pick up in the south Florida area?

Jani,

Frank started selling scions for this variety a few weeks ago.  Get in before it's gone. 

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2017, 11:26:02 PM »
anyone got this big red sugar apple seeds to share?  I would like a few to start here in n. bay area california in my greenhouse. Thanks

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2017, 02:54:55 PM »
not the best season for my Annonas, but this is the biggest, and prettiest sugar apple i was able to produce.  It was so ripe when I ate it, there isn't another sugar apple with flesh this soft, it just flakes apart, extremely succulent, and messy to eat, i had to use a spoon, and I detest eating utensils for fruits.





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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #78 on: September 27, 2020, 04:09:32 PM »
harvesting a fruit from a seedling big red tree, showing how small they can fruit, https://youtu.be/a4Pj43nmmHM
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2020, 12:10:42 PM »
Does anyone is Southern California have one of these for sale?  I’m ready to buy!

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2020, 05:20:01 PM »


Adam yours looks very similar to ones my friend grows. The seem bigger than KM and he get 2 lbers quire often.

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #81 on: October 25, 2020, 06:15:08 AM »
No news here.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #82 on: October 25, 2020, 07:59:00 AM »
I have never tasted the 'Big Red' Sugar-Apple. 

I enjoyed reading through this thread, and noticed that most of the comments seem to be about seedlings.  Seedlings certainly can be great, but they are NOT identical to the mother tree, and so, they are not relevant to a discussion of a named variety, except to say that many of its offspring are good.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #83 on: October 25, 2020, 08:28:41 AM »
No news here.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2020, 08:59:01 AM »
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it was Noel aka FloridaGreenman. 

And no, it does not look identical to a true KM, unless of course your KM is a seedling and not a grafted KM.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2020, 09:05:53 AM »
My giant red and chewy seedlings did not work out being mushy small and green. Seedling big eyes worked out better but were extremely variable.

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #86 on: October 25, 2020, 10:05:46 AM »
I have grown more then 50 sugar apples from seed and so far they grow true for me
I have 2 green Na Dai next to each other that I grew from seed and the fruit is identical.
I also grew two Na Dais that were from the same batch of seeds and they were terrible
tasteless fruit and I dug them up.
I grew up 10 big red seeds and all 10 produce red fruit that is not chewy. I grew 2 Isan indigos from seed
and they both produce chewy red fruit. I grew 20 Thai Lessard and they have produced green non chewy fruit.
The fruit varies from year to year for intance this year the Na Dais were smaller and seedier, but
there was allot more fruit I should have thinned them. Last year they were close to 2 pounds.
If you pollinate the trees with other pollen you could get variation in the seedlings but maybe
since I don't hand pollinate I haven't seen any weird offspring. I currently have 4 different red types
I grew from seed including Big Red, Isan Indigo, and two different Thai types.
I really like the Berry flavor and if I was going to compost anything it would have been the green
chewy types but instead I gave most of them away to people and they told me they enjoyed them.
So far I have never produced anything that was not like the parent of the seed. I did get some
Big Eye seeds and will keep several to evaluate, I appreciate Mike T info on their variability.











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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #87 on: October 25, 2020, 10:30:42 AM »
No news here.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #88 on: October 25, 2020, 10:40:52 AM »
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe it was Noel aka FloridaGreenman. 

And no, it does not look identical to a true KM, unless of course your KM is a seedling and not a grafted KM.

Thank you, how many trees did he trial to get this “Big Red”?
I do know a crappy sugar apple fruit when I see one.
Also none of my SA look identical even KM unfortunately that’s part of their problem with me.


From what I recall, it was a seedling tree that gave consistent large eyed, large sized fruit year after year.  I do not know what the parentage of that tree was

Are your SA trees grafted or seedlings?  How large/old are they?  Is this the first year fruiting?  What turns me off to SAs in general is their propensity to high seed count and its coinciding low flesh ratio.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #89 on: October 25, 2020, 10:50:41 AM »
No news here.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #90 on: October 25, 2020, 01:01:18 PM »
Sure some seedlings will seem very much like their mother trees, just as some persons think that they are looking at my late father when they see me!
That is not the same as being genetically identical, which is what "This fruit tree breeds true" is supposed to mean.
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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #91 on: October 25, 2020, 03:32:57 PM »
Sure some seedlings will seem very much like their mother trees, just as some persons think that they are looking at my late father when they see me!
That is not the same as being genetically identical, which is what "This fruit tree breeds true" is supposed to mean.

Har, I though sugar apples were true to seed? I know hybrid saramoyos and custard apple are not. How about Papause?

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #92 on: October 25, 2020, 03:33:19 PM »
Sure some seedlings will seem very much like their mother trees, just as some persons think that they are looking at my late father when they see me!
That is not the same as being genetically identical, which is what "This fruit tree breeds true" is supposed to mean.


 
Does anyone think if they took a blind taste test with my Big Red seedling fruit and
the original mother tree's fruit you could tell them apart?
I have 4 red jaboicabas that were grown from seed and I can't tell any difference
in the fruit. This is the same experience I have with the sugar apples. They may not be
identical but very close representatives of the mother trees. Next year I will have 2
Isan indigo seedlings and 2 Big Red seedlings and 2 sugarlatas seedlings and it will be
interesting to compare them and see if I notice a difference. 

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #93 on: October 25, 2020, 04:27:26 PM »
achetadomestica, I feel that, in order to assure a true comparison of the fruits, you should employ an unbiased taster such as myself.

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #94 on: October 25, 2020, 05:12:59 PM »
I'll volunteer to be on that committee as well...

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Re: Big Red Sugar Apple
« Reply #95 on: October 25, 2020, 08:34:34 PM »
High similarity and "coming true" are somewhat different concepts.  Often one cannot visually or by taste-testing tell the very similar ones apart from the mother, especially from self-pollinated flowers; but often, other seedlings from the same seed batch, from the same fruit, will be noticeably different, especially when some of the pollen that produced the fruit, came from a different variety.

It may sound like splitting hairs, but saying that "This variety, when it self-pollinates, usually produces very similar seedlings", prevents back-biting about the exceptions.
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