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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Ethan on November 01, 2017, 04:54:47 PM
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Raul's illama (annona diversifolia) seeds cracking open, one week after 24hr soak in GA3.
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Awesome. I also got some seeds from him. My dad is seeding it now using the same method. Thanks.
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Raul's illama (annona diversifolia) seeds cracking open, one week after 24hr soak in GA3.
(https://s19.postimg.cc/hkh9wa1ib/20171030_085900.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8pgflrcpr/)
What concentration of GA3 did you use?
John
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Did you use 100 ppm GA3 solution?
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I used 300 ppm, I believe that is what was recommended on the original thread. I might try 100 ppm on the Soncoya?
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good to know.
i' m looking for the minimum concentration required to induce germination without having an etiolating effect on future seedlings
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Great job Ethan !
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Thank you William.
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That’s awesome Ethan, please keep us updated on the progress of these seedlings. Frank and Raul got me very interested in Illama and I’m glad Raul’s seeds are being grown around the world.
Simon
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Very cool that there will be choice germaplasm in CA.
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Thanks guys!
Nice job Schutzhund!
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I used 300 ppm, I believe that is what was recommended on the original thread. I might try 100 ppm on the Soncoya?
What was the result on Soncoya seeds?
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I have not received them yet, hopefully soon. I will post results when I have them.
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Raul has great stuff and is a good guy. I tried everything with the seeds to get good germination rates fron scraping them, refrigerating them and all concentrations of gibberellic acid. My 4 trees have fruit setting now but back to seeds.
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Seeds from this red genova fruit were planted fresh and nearly all popped up without anything special being done. It did take over 6 months and stirring the soil and disturbing them seems to spring them into action.
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what a beautiful fruit Mike!! i'm wondering how it tastes :P
How old are your trees?
So it might take 6 months for the seeds t ogerminate?
I don't think my patience can reach that time limit ;D
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They are native where the dry season is over 6 months long. So the seeds are programmed to be dormant for 6-10 months.
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Beautiful fruits Mike!
Thank you Har, you are a great resource!
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I thought Yucatán is the driest region in Mexico? That’s good information I’ll plant some trees in my orchard there
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There are much drier areas and even deserts closer to the US border.The trees drop lots of leaves in the dry season.
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My Illama seed from JF germinated after I did not water the foam cup for about a month.
This might have simulated dry season dormancy.Once I started watering it again it sprouted.
-FruitFool
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Plenty of useful information thanks everybody!
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I started my Ilama seeds from Raul late because the US post office lost the package for three weeks. luckily they found it and I soaked some the seeds in 300 ppm GA and others in 500 ppm GA for 24 hours. I also soaked a few seeds in warm water for 48 hours before planting. I used the paper towel method of germination and the seeds were placed in plastic bags on seed germination heating mats. The seeds soaked in 500 ppm GA had faster germination and quicker lateral branching than the 300 ppm GA soaked seeds, but after an additional day on the germination mats, the 300 ppm GA seeds started catching up. Two of the water soaked seed also germinated after 10 days, but have slower growth. So far 70% of the seeds have germinated.
500 ppm GA soaked seeds
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300 ppm GA soaked seeds
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water soaked seeds
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Nice experiment Bob, it'll be interesting to watch as it continues.
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Great information thanks!
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Nice experiment Bob, it'll be interesting to watch as it continues.
I'll update this in a couple of months to see how the planted seedlings are coming along. I'd like to see if the different solutions of GA exhibit excessive cell elongation that would be detrimental to the overall growth and health of the plants.
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You're right Bob,
i hate the ETIOLATING effect of GA on seedlings.....
it think it's crucial to find the optimal concentration to ensure a prompt germination but without "side effects"...
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A quick update, all my seeds died....
There are a numbers of reasons why it might have happened but none of the had to do with Raul. His seeds arrived in beautiful condition as always! GA3, lack of light or dirty substrate are among the possibilities. I'm trying it again, this time soaking in clean water for 24hrs. Hopefully it goes better this time.
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Ilama seeds should be stored dry for several months, to finish maturing during dormancy, just as they would, fallen near a tree, during the long dry season in Guatemala. If planted and watered too soon, they simply rot.
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You must be right Har.
I had some seeds planted in well watered and cared pots. They all got rotten.
Some seeds were in a "forgotten" pot without label left in the sun for several weeks.
Last week after a good rain they all sprouted, 3 out of 3.....amazing!
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As Har said, that is what they do in nature, fruits falling down in September, then the seeds stay in ground through the warm winter,to sprout with the first rains in June of next year, Dr. Gustavo Valladares author of the book "ilamas en tierra caliente del balsas" said they opened some ilama seeds right away and to his surprise most didn't have embrios, he thinks it continues developing after fruit falls and that is the reason why they take so long to germinate...
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Raul your reply is illuminating me, thanks! :)
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That's good to hear. My dad just planted the seeds about 10 days ago.
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The seeds i planted from rosada last january 23.
I have put 50/50 dirt & potting mix as well as powder & granulated mycorrhizae & inside the gh.
Its almost a month & no signs of gernination.
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As Har said, that is what they do in nature, fruits falling down in September, then the seeds stay in ground through the warm winter,to sprout with the first rains in June of next year, Dr. Gustavo Valladares author of the book "ilamas en tierra caliente del balsas" said they opened some ilama seeds right away and to his surprise most didn't have embrios, he thinks it continues developing after fruit falls and that is the reason why they take so long to germinate...
I hold the seeds for about eight months and in some cases longer before germinating. I have many seedlings of Raul's ilama growing. Out of 20, 19 germinated.
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I started my Ilama seeds from Raul late because the US post office lost the package for three weeks. luckily they found it and I soaked some the seeds in 300 ppm GA and others in 500 ppm GA for 24 hours. I also soaked a few seeds in warm water for 48 hours before planting. I used the paper towel method of germination and the seeds were placed in plastic bags on seed germination heating mats. The seeds soaked in 500 ppm GA had faster germination and quicker lateral branching than the 300 ppm GA soaked seeds, but after an additional day on the germination mats, the 300 ppm GA seeds started catching up. Two of the water soaked seed also germinated after 10 days, but have slower growth. So far 70% of the seeds have germinated.
500 ppm GA soaked seeds
(https://s33.postimg.cc/zeyjsex1n/IMG_4708.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/zeyjsex1n/)
300 ppm GA soaked seeds
(https://s33.postimg.cc/nd35yd39n/IMG_4706.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/nd35yd39n/)
water soaked seeds
(https://s33.postimg.cc/e5axhrjdn/IMG_4704.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/e5axhrjdn/)
Thanks for posting! LOVE seeing experiments taking place and being shared! I have not yet tried this species with PPM solutions.
How did you clean the seeds first/or did you? I was wondering how they would do with a 3% Bleach solution to clean them.
Cheers,
Will
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They fruit fast as well. Despite tales of slow bearing one ilama I received from Raul 3 years ago already fruited. Seeds I received from a much loved moderator here have been producing fruit for over 2 years and also opened their accounts at less than 4 years.
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That's definitely a great news Mike :)
You've both white and pink/red fleshed varieties?
what can you say about the taste?
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I have pink and red and I have described the taste in more detail in another thread. They are good with splitting and flesh yield being moderate only their drawbacks.
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I've seedilings 6 months growing from Raul's seeds, white fleshed variety i'm plannig to move them to open soil next january.
Thanks Mike
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Reviving an old thread...
Back in September 2015 a received some Illama seeds from Raul. I somehow misplaced them, but a few weeks ago, while working on a sticky drawer i discovered the the seeds had slipped behind said drawer and after four years the plastic bag had become stuck in the drawer slide.
Not expecting anything, I soaked the seeds in some water overnight then put them in some pots in a mini-greenhouse. about two weeks later, and much to my surprise, i noticed the the seeds had germinated. Every one of them!
Cheers,
Richard
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Wow, what a way to start the new year. Hopefully they will produce excellent fruit for you. Please keep us updated on how they progress.
Simon