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I have a few 7 gal red jabo trees. Located in Broward, Griffin and I75.

My hasya tree was planted 5 years ago. I have 5 ripening on the counter and another 15+ on the tree. I ate the first of the year a few days ago and it was pretty good and only had one seed. Most are around 0.5 lbs. One on the counter is 0.85 lbs. Last year it produced a 1.2 lbs fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Lychee Bloom
« on: February 12, 2018, 04:54:58 PM »
Mauritius, Hak Ip, and No Mai Tsze are the varieties with all male blooms, 8 - 10 ft tall. Mostly male but some females on 3 ft tall Olan, not really big enough to support fruit. These trees probably have 60% closed flowers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Lychee Bloom
« on: February 12, 2018, 01:37:42 PM »
A few of my trees have started opening flowers now. I could not find a single female on 3 out of 4 trees. Hopefully, some of the yet to open flowers on these trees will be female.  My trees are still immature so maybe you all will have better luck.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: OK to start fertilizing in South Florida?
« on: February 10, 2018, 04:27:07 PM »
I already did my yard. If trees are already pushing, no reason not to.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White jack fruit
« on: February 08, 2018, 10:44:26 AM »
The Florida price of a standard 3 gallon grafted jackfruit tree is $35, which converts to 1115 baht. It is funny how color sometimes seems more important than taste in the things we eat. That being said, I would gladly add it to my collection.

I have an electric 16 gallon high pressure tank sprayer from Northern Tool. I should have bought the Tow-Behind one.  It sprays 15 vertically with a good mist and maybe 25 with a jet spray.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chances of decent jackfruit from seed?
« on: February 01, 2018, 07:57:32 PM »
One tree fruited in 2 years, around 30% of all seedlings were fruiting at 3 years, 70% of all seedlings were fruiting at 4 years, it is still too early to know what will happen in year 5. Flowering on all my trees have been much later this year than the last two years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chances of decent jackfruit from seed?
« on: February 01, 2018, 09:43:03 AM »
I have fruited 8 seedlings. Only one requires removal. One is excellent, top tier. The others are good. None of the seedlings resemble the parents. I planted 5 seeds from the same fruit, 4 trees fruited. They are all slightly different. One of the 4 was orange and the other 3 are yellow.  You can plant seedlings 10 ft apart and still get an ok crop. I planted some seedlings 5 feet apart. These trees are still young but one provided over 60 lbs fruit.

Boron seems to be a factor in my yard and seems like it may be a common issue in southern Florida. I have no knowledge of your area or what the common pitfalls may be so test 3 as a minimum would help you to make decisions on a fertilization program.  Most of my mango trees seem to power through even though my soil is alkaline and highly deficient in 2 major and 2 minor elements.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Die Die fungus Mango Regimen
« on: January 31, 2018, 09:35:25 AM »
I have a similar understanding. Powdered sulfur is acid forming and copper combined with an acid will increase uptake and cause copper toxicity.  This is why the old standard of copper sulfate was pH neutralized with hydrated lime.  Copper soaps have very low copper levels which would might make them ok to combine, I am not sure.  I had read the labels a couple years ago on a few products and at the time they did not list anthracnose as in the list of treated ailments.  With the humid inland conditions I have, I doubt it would make a dent.

I was under assumption that you are not suppose mix the two...maybe i'm mistaken it with other foliar though

The crop is different. The recommendations are specific to the crop. I have 53 Fruit Orchard selected for most samples. 606 Mango for my mango section. They do not have many sub tropical fruit profiles available, mango, avocado, guava, papaya, pineapple, and a few others.  You can change the crop to get different recommendations.  I am not 100% sure of the specifics but the CEC, pH, and soil type may also change the "optimal" levels on some elements. I see you have 14 ppm Mn and it shows in good green. I have similar levels of Mn and it shows in low red.

The interesting thing about all this is how the different soil variable values change the strategy required to deal with a problem. Mn is difficult because my pH makes soil application ineffective and foliar is only effective in new growth. Chelated Mn has been found to make deficiencies worse because  chelates will drop from the Mn and attach to Fe and transport the Fe into the plants. But when pH is below 6, Mn in soil becomes easily available and sometimes causes toxicity. Based on those findings, I was just resigned to doing foliar Mn applications. Then I start reading about how to fix my phosphorous deficiency and multiple formulations. One formulation monoammonium phosphate creates a very localized 4.3 pH area around the granules. Then I read it can be combined with Mn granules because the low pH area will keep the Mn from getting bound. When used together, they solve both my P and Mn deficiencies in my alkaline soil. For my boron deficiency, the 0.22% in the 8-2-12 should cover it. On the trees with dieback, I will do one foliar spray with borax at 1 teaspoon per gallon. I will suppliment potassium with 100 lbs 0-0-50 potassium sulphate granules. And of course, another 600 lbs tiger90 sulfur granules.

Delivery just arrived. Here is the label for anyone else interested:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2018 Lychee Bloom
« on: January 29, 2018, 08:02:27 PM »
Just a few miles to the north of you, 12 of 17 of my lychee trees have good bloom or leafy bloom in various states. I predict only 2 trees will not bloom. All my trees are young, 5 years or less, and small, 8 - 10 ft tall. If you do not have recent new growth, your chances are good you will get bloom.

Seems like nothing is happening yet in South Florida.

Thanks Har and Jeff!

I will place an order with Helena for their 8-2-12. Would love to be able to browse their catalog but when I was there I was told they are not retail and didnt have one.

Looking for solutions to supplement the standard mixes, I have been browsing the online suppliers. 7 springs farm has a granular boron 10%. Label states 10 lbs per ppm per acre. They have granular 0-0-50 and granular sul-po-mag. All the phosphorous products seem to include a lot of calcium, which I already have an overabundance. I found granular monoammonium phosphate 11-62-0 on Amazon. Palm products from manganese sulphate are available from the big box stores.

I do have quite a few stunted trees that have dieback. Low phosphorous may be a contributing factor. One stunted mango trees has orange/red stems.

The testing I get is the S3. I have not received the invoice yet for this year but I believe the cost is $14 per sample.  They sent me a pricing guide in the mail but I think it got tossed in the recycle bin with the daily stack of junk mail.  The results were available the day after they received the shipment. They request that you send them a cup to a pint of soil for the test. They have a guide on the website with sampling instructions.

I had my soil analyzed again almost exactly a year from the last time. Seems like I made some progress pushing my pH down. Potassium readings are still depressingly low.  Zinc seems to be getting too high.  Visibly, leaves in my main jackfruit area are looking pretty good. In past years, lots of signs of Magnesium and Manganese deficiency. This area now has a pH of 7 so minors should be more available than before.

I have a little over an acre of orchard.  I did not keep track of everything I used but here is what I remember:

600 lbs Tiger90 sulfur
600 lbs 8-2-12 Howard fertilizer (edit changed from 900)
300 lbs 8-10-10 Howard fertilizer (edit added)
5 lbs chelated minor mix from Helena chemicals
3 lbs chelated iron 6% 
250 lbs 0-3-16 Har's fertilizer

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cosavet DF Edge Sulfur for Powdery Mildew
« on: December 31, 2017, 08:22:09 AM »
I have a similar product (maybe the same) and the rate is 4 tablespoons per gallon. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hermaphroditic jackfruit???
« on: December 27, 2017, 12:22:51 AM »
I found a picture from 2 years ago with a small rim of female that is shedding pollen.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hermaphroditic jackfruit???
« on: December 26, 2017, 01:31:44 PM »
I have seen quite a few flowers like this on my trees. They always drop just like a normal male flower. I had a flower that was over 50% female drop.

Howard fertilizer has a location in Orlando. I use their 8-2-12, slow release and great micros. Works better than the Diamond R sold at Excalibur in my yard.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New acquisition
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:23:27 AM »
Small as in loquat sized... You sure that is a mamey? Looks like a loquat and Loqu probably should have been Loquat. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: NS-1 vs J-31 characteristics
« on: December 05, 2017, 08:00:20 PM »
Here is a picture of NS1

My tree is compact, only 6ft tall. Flesh is firm.  I would say this is a high latex fruit but that may be subjective. Flavor wise, the first year fruit were just ok but the second year were great.

J31 is not crunchy, I would describe it as soft. The flavor is just like bazooka bubble gum. My j31 is not compact.  I could not find a picture of j31. I will take a second look later.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted Echo Jackfruit Tree
« on: November 29, 2017, 10:03:07 AM »
I have a tree. So far, it has been a good fruit but not excellent. My tree is still young so it may improve. Last year my tree had about 5 or 6 small (under 15lbs) fruit. This year only 2 fruit, one was over 25lbs but it spoiled when we had 14 inches of rain in 3 days. The other was small and I missed it and it got overripe on the tree.

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