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I just recently found someone selling Ilama seeds and was thinking about purchasing them but had never heard of them before. Do they not grow true to seed and that's why grafted ones are preferred? Or is it to speed up the time to fruit? Do they grow well in Central/South Florida?

From what I understand they are almost impossible to sprout from seed. That's why most people look for grafted seeds. They also aren't true to seed either  like most annona fruit.
Difficult but not impossible.
There are several posts on sprouting Ilama, some include pictures and reports of outcome using different methods.

If you search on Gibberelic Acid or GA3 and Ilama I am sure you will find several post.  Here are a few.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=29384.msg331931#msg331931
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=28910.msg327223#msg327223
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=44562.msg435408#msg435408

OP, if you have candidate rootstock, I can send you a few Cherilata scions.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango issues
« on: March 28, 2024, 10:58:13 PM »
For the record, I don't think that is ppk or guava mangos. They seem to be seedlings, not the real deal.
Not necessarily...  both make polyembryonic seeds (certainly PPK, sometimes Sein Ta Lone/Guava) in which case, a seedling (all but one of seedlings sprouted from the seed) could be a true clone, "the real deal".


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango season 2023 versus 2024
« on: March 28, 2024, 09:32:32 PM »
Polar opposite for me, last year great this year not so good.
I am hoping for some late blooms to save the season.
PM did a number on me and I didn't notice it until it was way too late.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango issues
« on: March 28, 2024, 09:30:09 PM »
When you wet your plants do you get a lot of splatter?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New Ice Cream Mango
« on: March 24, 2024, 02:57:13 PM »
Let it be for now.
If it grows into a full flower and does not drop off by itself, then wait.  If it sets fruit, break it off after the fruit is marble size.
The theory is, if you break it off early, it might put energy into trying to flower again.  If you however let it progress and it falls off by itself, then all is well.  If it sets fruit, waiting a little increases your chances that when it is broken off, the next flush will be vegetative since you would be past the period of cold or drought stress.
Hope that helps.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia - To Prune or Not to Prune
« on: March 23, 2024, 11:24:40 AM »
Ready to resurrect this post.

What is the verdict on pruning Rolinia?

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Airlayer?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: March 16, 2024, 03:28:10 PM »
Heavy flowering super low fruitset.  None on many trees and it was not PM in my case.

Poor timing for some cold snaps and absolutely no flies.  Waiting for one last flowering and I am bringing the raw fish basket to invite some flies.


I do have a few fruits starting here and there but not even close to what should be expected with the bloom.
I think it is PM after all.
I was out in the yard this morning and it was clear that I have a bad case of PM on a couple of trees.

It is too late for the current bloom but I will start a spray regimen in the hope that I get one more flowering this season and they survive.


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See this link


https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=41204.msg479841#msg479841

There is a link to guidance on fertilizing mango linked in the post.

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I don't have Ilama but I do have some Hunucma Amarilla.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: March 11, 2024, 06:11:01 PM »
Heavy flowering super low fruitset.  None on many trees and it was not PM in my case.

Poor timing for some cold snaps and absolutely no flies.  Waiting for one last flowering and I am bringing the raw fish basket to invite some flies.


I do have a few fruits starting here and there but not even close to what should be expected with the bloom.


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Dream Atemoya scions - Sale over
« on: March 09, 2024, 10:06:53 AM »
Sale over

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango updates and worries, help please
« on: February 26, 2024, 11:57:18 PM »
How frequently do you water those plants?
May be overwatering?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help about scions
« on: February 24, 2024, 07:05:18 PM »
Scion of what?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Custard Apple
« on: February 17, 2024, 03:31:03 PM »
This is not unusual.  Just make sure you don't overwater in the dry season.  It should leaf out later in the spring.

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I have had one in the ground going on 6 years and not a sign of flower.
4 to 5 years from seed may be a little optimistic for my area but perhaps maybe not for yours.

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Have you an interest in fabric pots?  Temu has some 7 gallon for between 2 and 3 dollars each.
I have not used them and cant vouch but the price looks really good.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Annona Scions 2024
« on: February 13, 2024, 09:46:14 PM »
I guess we just know him a little longer and know what you describe in not consistent with what we know.

More I could say, but enough said.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some question help me
« on: February 12, 2024, 10:30:09 PM »
For the mango part of your question, I would imagine so.

I have had mango fruits fall to the ground, get eaten by racoons or squirrels and the seeds still in the husk germinate a month or two later.  Some even much later.

I swept up fallen mango into an old plastic pot last year, and months later, several germinated.  No soil in the pot just the broken down fruit.

I expect some may not germinate but if you get several I expect a good percentage would.
 

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I am not sure you want to spend the time and effort but if you want to, here are a couple of links that touch on the topic.

https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=48202.msg466195#msg466195
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=52422.msg503098#msg503098
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=24327.msg287341#msg287341
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=2024.msg27744#msg27744

A couple of suggestions.  If you do a successful mango airlayer, plant a seed next to it when you put it in the gound.  Approach graft the seedling a year or so later to give the airlayered tree a second root system, one with a tap root.  It should help.  In my case, the seedling was vigorous and I let it be.  It is larger than the airlayered tree now.  I grafted to it and both are fruiting just fine.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Transplanting mango seedling from ground.
« on: February 10, 2024, 02:21:36 PM »
Just dig them out and place in a pot getting the most root you can.  You will break the tap root but it wouldn't stop the seedling growing well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mangos
« on: February 08, 2024, 09:18:41 PM »
Think about it this way, if four seedlings grow, and 3 smell the same and one smells different then you know the one that is different.  Remember that only one of however many seedling sprout from the seed is zygotic seedling the rest are clones.  You don't need to have the parent if it is possible to isolate one with clearly different characteristics to all the others.

I have read post about size but I am not sold on that approach.

One sure way is keep 2 and plant then in the same spot.  When they are larger, and perhaps fruit, chop one of the two or keep both, but you are almost certain to have one or both be clones.   
.....if you are lucky, perhaps you get to name anew variety.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mangos
« on: February 08, 2024, 07:38:00 AM »
There are several posts about this on the forum but one approach that I thought was interesting was a smell test of the leaves.  Apparently, in some cases, the smell of the leaves of the clone may differ from the "hybrid".
There have been discussion of other characteristics that could help distinguish after each seedling has had a chance to grow a little.  I liked the idea of being able to smell out the "one of these things that not the same as the others"


Here is one link https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=51797.msg497800#msg497800


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would 0-46-0 help mango bloom?
« on: February 07, 2024, 07:43:25 AM »
Thought i'd ask before applying some.  Peach cobbler making lots of new leaves i can't eat lol.
Ed

You might want to make sure you can apply P in your location.  There are many places than ban use of P without a soil test due to its impact on the environment.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need help can’t tell which side is graft
« on: February 07, 2024, 07:38:45 AM »
I agree, send a picture of the plant showing more.

With the current picture, my guess would have been different from most folks.  In my experience, the rootstock will grow a bud below the graft more agressively than it would the graft and the thicker branch would in my opinion be the root stock and the thinner the graft.  I have had growth below the raft overtake the grated portion multiple times.  I cut them off in most cases but in a few cases where I am interested in finding out what the rootstock would have produced, I have to manage the size so they don't shade out the graft.

With a different picture, there may be other cues to help make the determination.


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