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Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to Pick Moro Blood Orange?
« on: February 21, 2018, 02:45:25 PM »
I can not recall eating a sweet moro blood orange. It did have some berry flavors but the fruit never reached the sweetness of a good Mandarin (it was always tart) or did it ever have the balance flavor of the Washington Navel Orange. Fruit production for the Moro was Fair to Fair+ at best even when fully grown. Perhaps other that have grown the Moro at a warmer location than I have had better luck but that tree was a looser for coastal Orange County.

Johnny

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to Pick Moro Blood Orange?
« on: February 21, 2018, 11:48:41 AM »
I had a Beautiful mature Moro blood orange tree at my house about 10 years ago but I removed it. The problem is at my coastal location the Moro blood orange tree requires more inland heat to ripen and the fruit never fully sweeten up or ripened properly even with a long growing season. Also if the fruit are left on the tree too long they get a unpleasant fermented musty after taste. The overall fruit quality was sub par hence the removal. The Washington Navel tree that replaced it produced excellent quality fruit from a early age and was a much better match at my area.

Johnny

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The Best is relative to individual taste but I will list my preference based on growing citrus the last 25 years at my location.

Oranges: 

-Washington Navel and Cara Cara but the Cara Cara is a smaller slowing growing tree.

Mandarins:

-Gold nugget - a high sugar mandarin with very Good to excellent flavor.  A tall tree with good production once the tree is mature (6+ years) Note: the juice content is not high but it is seedless.  The best late season Mandarin.

-  Yosemite Gold Mandarin - A large fruit and very juicy. Excellent strong mandarin flavor that is more sub-acid than super sweet. My tree is a consistent and high producer of quality fruit. (seedless)  January to April.

Kinnow - This one has it all (high sugar, high juice and high flavor impact) and may be the best mandarin I ever had if properly tree  ripened but it has several major flaws in that is is alternative bearing and has 25 seeds per fruit. Very seedy. (If this tree produced annually and had no seeds it would be the ultimate late season mandarin)

Lemon:

Meyer Lemon - Everybody loves this fruit and it is the only lemon tree I recommend to homeowners.

Grapefruit:

Oroblanco:  My 22 year old semi dwarf tree produces the most fruit, in poundage, of any of my citrus trees.  Over the years it is the most reliably consistent producer of high quality fruit with no alternate bearing whatsoever. A winner indeed.

There is my two cents

Johnny



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35 rootstock tree size
« on: January 25, 2018, 02:12:00 PM »
I have Three Citrus trees on C-35 root stock (Tango, Yosemite Gold and Gold Nugget) that are 7 years in the ground.  They average 12-14 feet tall so far and continue to grow. This is a very productive year for all three trees with the Yosemite Gold being the most loaded with fruit.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: December 13, 2017, 10:18:17 AM »
I tried growing David Bowie Dragon-fruit at my location in Orange County and had very poor results. Low vigor and scant growth after two growing seasons . Perhaps others will have better luck then I. Removed the Bowie and replaced with Sugar Dragon "8S" which has taken off with strong growth. What a difference.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Maha Chanok close to ripening in San Diego
« on: November 08, 2017, 06:15:57 AM »
Interesting as my Maha Chanok is just starting it's first growth flush in November.  This tree is on Turpentine root stock and my goal this year was to graft it onto one of my mango seedlings in the ground but the lack of growth and cool summer prevented that. Perhaps in 2018 it will grow better and I can do the graft.

Johnny






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Venezuela Sapodilla Tree
« on: September 14, 2017, 08:10:09 PM »
Earlier this summer I purchased a 3 gallon Venezuela Sapodilla tree from Mimosa Nursery in L.A. I asked the owner what it was like and he indicated it was similar to Alano but the leaves are larger compared to the Alano Sapodilla.

Does anybody know anything about this cultivar?  I took a chance when I bought it but I like the way it looks and grows so far. No Idea on the fruit quality but any information would be appreciated.  At the time they had 8-10 of these Venezuela's along with some Morena's and Molix. At the time I purchased one of each to try. I already have an Alano and small Tikal.

Thanks

Johnny



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Buying Trees is easy. Sucess in your local climate is a different story. Be careful of what you buy.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee problem - please help
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:37:32 PM »
Try applying Spinosad every 10-14 days with a sprayer. It works well on sucking insects.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coconut cream in california
« on: July 30, 2017, 10:31:05 PM »
The Large Coco Cream Champa had was one the removed from a customers home that was in the ground. The owner of Champa told me the lady did not like the fruit from the young CC tree so she wanted it removed. It was on Turpentine rootstock. Based on my own two-year experiment I would avoid turpentine root stock mango trees in California.

I purchased a number of Florida mango trees on turpentine root stock and thus far at my location there performance has been poor compared to the same trees grown on manila or ataulfo root stock.

The first picture is a Coconut Cream mango Tree I purchased from Florida two years ago. It is in a 20 gallon container and has grown modestly but last year I grafted a scion onto a manilla mango tree and it has taken off. On the second photo you can see the Coco Cream just flushed out and on the Florida Turpentine CC there has been no growth yet in 2017 as of the end of July.

The third and 4th photos show the Florida Sweet Tart with no growth yet while the grafted Sweet Tart on Manilla is flushing nicely now. I am only using the Florida Trees for grafting scions now and will likely sell them later when I am done with them.

Johnny

 

Coconut Cream on Turpentine


Coconut Cream on Manilla Root Stock


Sweet Tart on Turpentine (No Growth Yet in 2017)


Sweet Tart on Manilla Root Stock (already doubled in size in July)

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The only local Nursery that has grafted mangos on Manilla root stock is Mimosa Nursery in LA. I am taking Simon's advice and planting my Kent and manilla seedling in the ground and letting them grow for several years prior to grafting. I have some mango trees on Turpentine root stock I purchased from Florida two years ago but they are in containers and are only used for creating scions for my mango seedling I planted in the ground. Based on my two years of experience doing this, the Florida mango's do appear to look droopy and in general do not grow as well relative to my non turpentine trees. I would avoid using Florida root stock in California.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Grafting techniques
« on: June 28, 2017, 09:45:17 PM »
Try grafting mangos in August or early September. My attempts last year in June/July were unsuccessful due to a lack of heat and/or no growth flush. When the heat is up and you have new growth starting to pop in the scions your chances are highest, at least that has been my experience. Sweet Tart had the highest take rate for me in 2016.

Johnny

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget
« on: June 01, 2017, 10:17:55 AM »
From my experience Citrus performs poorly, in the long term, in containers (even large wood boxes). The Citrus roots really like to spread out laterally and all containers prevent this. They can do OK for the first few years but they will never produce or look like in the ground plants.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit David Bowie
« on: May 31, 2017, 08:16:55 PM »
I tried growing it in the ground for over one year but gave up after very little growth. Pulled it out and put something more vigorous in( Sugar Dragon AKA Paul Thomson S8) which grows very well. Perhaps others had more luck than I with David Bowie.

Johnny

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Very well said, Simon. I am letting my Manilla and Kent seedlings grow and develop in the ground and then I will graft top cultivars onto them. Our conditions here in So. Cal is quite different from Florida. Thanks for the advice and input from your learning experience as it is much appreciated.

Johnny

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget
« on: May 26, 2017, 10:13:28 AM »
This is the first year where my Gold Nuggets (picked in March-April) were excellent in quality and my favorite citrus. Apparently, the tree needs some maturity for the fruit to be top notch. Previous years the fruit was mediocre in comparison.

Enclosed is a photo of my 6-year-old Gold Nugget on C-35 rootstock taken in April of 2017. This tree was worth the wait.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Crazy flowering on Pomegranate
« on: April 19, 2017, 10:52:07 PM »
My Pomegranates have many flowers too. Hopefully, we will have a hot summer so they will get ripe and sweet with full flavor. Last year, in 2016, it was cooler and the fruit quality was not as high as the previous year. We will see for 2017. My Angel Red has the lowest chill requirement and is the first to flower. The Desertnyi is the 2nd to flower and my Parfianka is the last at my location.

Johnny






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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaf Drop Period
« on: January 30, 2017, 11:08:52 PM »
I don't know why my Navel orange tree defoliated and we had no freeze. My other eight citrus trees are doing fine and the rootstock looks good with no visible disease. Perhaps it was a strong wind that dried it out but I am not sure. I hope it recovers as it has produced many great oranges over the years. If it does die I will put a Mango tree in its place.

Johnny

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Leaf Drop Period
« on: January 30, 2017, 07:17:31 AM »
I hope my 12 year old Navel orange tree makes it and puts out new growth. It has totally defoliated and looks to be in bad shape. The oranges that fell off or were picked were very good tasting though so perhaps there is hope in the spring. The Minneola Tangelo behind it is doing fine though.

Johnny



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID this excellent mandarin
« on: January 27, 2017, 09:05:14 AM »
Most of the fruit on my Gold Nugget are not yet ready for harvest but the ones I picked yesterday were (just a few). You are correct March-May is the peak season for this tree. Young trees tend to produce inferior fruit but wait until the tree matures. I can now understand what all of fuss is about and why so many love the quality fruit of this tree.

Johnny

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID this excellent mandarin
« on: January 26, 2017, 08:49:35 PM »
After reading this thread I just picked (3) of my Gold Nugget Mandarine's are tried them and they were delicious with a very sweet rich flavor. Much better than the ones from last year in 2016. The tree is now 6 years old and the fruit quality has definitely gone up from the past several years. The GN is supposed to be ripe later in the season so I am surprised some are ready to go.

Also for a comparison, I tried several of my Yosemite Gold's at the same and they were in general jucier and larger in size.  The Gold Nugget's were sweeter with higher sugar so I suspect they will be preferred over the Yosemites but to be honest both were very very good and likely the best mandarines I ever had.

JF those look like GN to me. Enjoy

Johnny

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cara Cara Navel Orange
« on: December 24, 2016, 09:32:40 PM »
Hear in So.Calif My Cara Cara Pink Navel on C-35 Rootstock has slow to moderate growth. Planted in 2009 my Cara Cara is about seven feet tall and 6-7 feet wide. The Golden Nugget Mandarin Tree, also on C-35, is just to the right of the Cara Cara on the 1st photo and towers over my little navel and was planted at the same time ( The Gold Nugget is 12-13 feet tall and is upright). If I had to do it all over again I would have planted the Gold Nugget on semi-dwarf rootstock since it is only seven feet from the Cara Cara. I also have a fully mature parent Washington navel tree and both fruit are excellent but different. (Note: The 2nd photo is the Gold Nugget located to the right of the much smaller Cara Cara)

The Cara Cara is higher in sugar and slightly lower in acidity at my location and also ripens 2-3 weeks ahead of the regular Washington Navel orange tree. Side by Side most people prefer the Cara Cara over the standard because of the higher sweetness but in my opinion both are excellent with the standard Washington navel having a more traditional navel flavor and higher acids but the Cara Cara is quite delicious and early in the season I prefer it. If you let the regular Washington Navel ripen on the tree untill April the sugar level goes up and the acid level goes down. At this point in time, the flavor is top notch and hard to beat with any citrus.

Johnny





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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cara Cara Navel Orange
« on: December 24, 2016, 09:24:48 PM »
Hear in So.Calif My Cara Cara Pink Navel on C-35 Rootstock has slow to moderate growth. Planted in 2009 my Cara Cara is about seven feet tall and 6-7 feet wide. The Golden Nugget Mandarin Tree, also on C-35, is just to the right of the Cara Cara on the 1st photo and towers over my little navel and was planted at the same time ( The Gold Nugget is 12-13 feet tall and is upright). If I had to do it all over again I would have planted the Gold Nugget on semi-dwarf rootstock since it is only seven feet from the Cara Cara. I also have a fully mature parent Washington navel tree and both fruit are excellent but different. (Note: The 2nd photo is the Gold Nugget located to the right of the much smaller Cara Cara)

The Cara Cara is higher in sugar and slightly lower in acidity at my location and also ripens 2-3 weeks ahead of the regular Washington Navel orange tree. Side by Side most people prefer the Cara Cara over the standard because of the higher sweetness but in my opinion both are excellent with the standard Washington navel having a more traditional navel flavor and higher acids but the Cara Cara is quite delicious and early in the season I prefer it.

Johnny





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My Haysa Sapodilla has been in the ground now one year and has leafed out but otherwise has not grown much. I expect the Haysa to grow moderately well over the next several years and I believe is now established in the ground.

The First photo is my Haysa planted from a 15 gallon in late 2015. The second photo is a Morena Sapodilla I recently saw at Mimosa Nursery in a 25 gallon container and they were asking $500 for this tree.



Haysa Sapodilla


25 Gallon Morena Sapodilla

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No Flower stocks on any of my mangos. My Mango Trees just finished their fall growth flush.


Nam Doc Mai on Manila Rootstock

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