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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 09:11:18 PM »
With older well-established citrus trees you can go either way. Removing infected growth in late summer or early fall will have little effect on next years growth based on my experience as the majority of foliage is already unaffected and providing photosynthesis to the established Citrus tree.

Either way, it is a matter of preference and appearance. In the following spring, new growth will be in abundance. The 2nd flush in May will be affected by leafminer so spraying at that time may be beneficial if you care about appearance.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Advise me citrus masters!
« on: September 14, 2018, 08:06:04 PM »
Spinosad does work on the leafminer but it must be applied every 7-10 days from May to Sept to be effective. On my established older trees I just cut out the infected growth in summer. On young trees also cut out infected new growth in summer and new growth will appear in fall or early spring that will be unaffected (The first growth flush in Citrus in March-April in unaffected by the leafminer).  Don't worry about it as this pest has been around for quite some time and may reduce production on younger trees but has little impact on older well-established citrus trees.


Your fruit Look very nice NewGen but if you want tree growth I would suggest you remove all fruit for several years and let the tree develope foliage and a larger structure. Fruit Production on young Trees takes a lot of energy away from plant growth. Our growth rate hear in California is already slow enough and fruit production adds to the slowness.

Here is a photo of my coconut cream mango tree that was grafted to a manila seedling tree in the summer of 2016.  My manila, at the time of grafting,  was probably about the size of your tree now with fruit on it but I did not let it set young and instead focused on growth. I will not let it fruit in 2019 either as my goal when the tree is young is maximum enlargement. Fruit quality will also be higher with a more mature tree.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Garden - I started Mangoes 5-yrs ago
« on: August 31, 2018, 07:54:37 PM »
Your mango trees look healthy. Hope you have many good fruitful years ahead.

I can see some nice developing fruit on your trees. I am not letting my mango trees fruit for the first (4) years to obtain Maximum growth (relative to California).

It takes us 2 1/2 to 3 years to get the equivalent of one-year growth to Florida subtropical climate. Our Mediterranean climate and much colder Pacific ocean hinder the fast growth of Mango Trees.

Good Luck


All of the scions I grafted with no active buds failed.

I am sure there are others with much more experience and better grafting technique that have had success but it is much more difficult without buds.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango planting question
« on: July 25, 2018, 09:33:59 PM »
It all depends on the size of the pot and the growing conditions of the tree. In your case placing a two-foot tree in a (7) gallon pot and then in 2019 transferring to the ground makes a lot of sense. If weather conditions turn turbulent you can protect the young tree in a pot much easier than one in the ground.


Tried David Bowie DF for two years and it preformed very poorly at my location and therefor I removed it. If you want a better white variety try White Sapphire as it is growing well with no major issues.  Looking forward to trying the fruit later this year.

The best and fastest growing Red Dragon fruit plant I have is Dark Star. It is out growing all of my other red's by a noticeable margin. S8 (sugar dragon) is also a winner with excellent growth and production.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: June 29, 2018, 10:41:16 PM »
Like Simon, I tried the Indian Rajapuri in early June and it was good indeed. Green with a yellow blush when ripe. Sweet, juicy and with some Indian resin flavor close to the skin but I still preferred the Keslar mango at its peak flavor had superior flavor and was more complex with great resin throughout, very juicy.  A Kesar at peak season is hard to beat in my opinion.

Looking forward to Coconut Cream and Sweet Tart in 2019.  Both of my trees on manila rootstock are doing well but I will not let them fruit until they are larger and more mature. Will be doing some more grafts this year including the Super Julie, Seacrest, and a few others. 

I do love the Indian Mango Flavors and at the peak, they are hard to beat but I have not yet tasted CC or Sweet Tart. Hear in California the socialists do not allow us to import fruit from Florida which I would love to try.


Here in California my Coco Cream and Maha Chanok mango trees are similar in growth insofar they are spreading and have a wide girth in terms if overall width of the tree.  The Nam Doc Mai #4 I have in the ground on manila rootstock is much more compact in growth and not as spreading as my coconut cream in the ground.

Would suggest the CC and Maha Chanok would be a good match. Not so with the Nam Doc Mai. Containers will Not work after more than 1-2 years as the trees will become rootbound and will outgrow even larger 25 gallon's. You can not grow a CC mango tree in a pot long term.


Excellent Grafts. You started earlier than I.  Our weather here in SoCal can be quite mild until mid summer so glad to see your early May grafts took. Will also be trying J12 along with Seacrest and Phoenix next month in July.

Best of luck


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soil for Mango trees
« on: May 31, 2018, 12:52:40 PM »
No, The mango roots will eventually grow into the clay soil but by that time the tree will be larger with a good root system and larger roots that make penetration easier. Clay is not the ideal soil for mangos but over time the manilla seedling will adapt. Having ideal soil for the first three years really helps to get the plant established and growing rapidly. I never tried putting a mango tree on turpentine into clay soil but I am guessing it would do poorly.  The manila seedling is well adapted to Mexican soil which is heavier than the Florida soils in general and closer to our soil here in California. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soil for Mango trees
« on: May 31, 2018, 09:04:48 AM »
At my location, the soil is very poor for tropical plants(heavy clay). The most effective way to deal with it is to Remove and Replace the clay soil. It is labor intensive and does involve some expense so I know most people will not do this but it is by far the most effective method.  I remove the clay from a 4 foot X 4 foot area about 20-24" deep and replace it with a mix of beautiful sandy loom soil I purchased along with some sand and pumice. The mix is as follows 75% topsoil, 15% washed sand and 10% pumice. After the hole has been backfilled I plant a manila mango seedling tree. Growth has been excellent using this method.


I grafted several Honeyheart cherimoya scions to my Fino de Jete and they took.  Seems to be compatible.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget Mandarin Problems
« on: May 10, 2018, 01:35:00 PM »
Sounds like the Okitsu might be worth trying if you want a earlier season mandarin. I personally have a number of excellent citrus trees with fruit stat start to ripen in January so I have no interest at this time. In November to December I am still eating fresh apples off my apple trees in the back yard and I love the taste of homegrown apples as they have superior flavor and a much higher juice content than the store fruit.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget Mandarin Problems
« on: May 10, 2018, 12:18:10 PM »
I have never planted the Satsuma mandarin or any of it's variants. The standard Satsumas are juicy but can not match the flavor of the top mid season mandarins that start in January. It is personal preference I suppose but since I have limited space I tend to want to grow the most flavorful varieties that are available.  If you really want citrus in November to December the Satsuma is a good alternative but the flavor of the Page mandarin, Cara Cara Pink Navel and Washington Navel that start to mature in early January are superior in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong with the Satsuma but I have found it's flavor to be just average, not exceptional, so it comes down to personal preferences and how early you want to start eating citrus.

If the Okitsu Wase Satsuma has improved flavor compared to the standard Satsuma it might be worth trying (or Grafting) but I already have a lot of citrus that start producing in January.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget Mandarin Problems
« on: May 09, 2018, 10:57:39 PM »
My gold Nugget is on C-35 rootstock which is considered standard. If I had to do it over again I would use semi-dwarf (trifoliate) rootstock, from durling nursery, which tends to produce smaller more intensely flavored fruit.  The larger fruit on my Gold Nugget is indeed Sub-standard. This is classified as a late-season mandarin but based on my experience is a mid-season variety that dries out more quickly than other mandarin cultivars. In 30+ years of growing citrus I have never experienced this level of eating quality variation. As Previously stated Gold Nugget can produce some excellent fruit and at it's best is wonderful but its juice content is lower than every other mandarin I have eaten.  The key to success is catching it at the right time and selecting the smaller fruit for maximum quality.  The large lumpy fruit are far more variable. At my location, I am about 5-6 miles inland from the coast.

The perfect mandarine for me would be a combination of the following:

-  The large size and juiciness of the Yosemite Gold mandarin
-  The intense rich and complex flavor of the Kinnow and Page mandarins (The Page is also extremely juicy and makes great juice but the fruit are too small in general)
-  The sweetness of the Gold Nugget at its peak

At the present time no such citrus exists, or is likely to, so I can do is what John Lennon says is "Imagine".


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget Mandarin Problems
« on: May 07, 2018, 01:04:32 PM »
Certain Mandarins like the page, Yosemite Gold and Kinnow in general do not get puffy and dry out nearly as much.

Evidently the Gold Nugget is very suspectable to this drying out effect much more than other varieties of mandarins. The smaller fruit on the Gold Nugget are far better in terms of eating quality. The problem is with the larger fruit, which are already low in juice, becoming a ball of citrus fiber with poor flavor.  This year I have about 200 fruit on my Gold Nugget tree and about 25-30% were sub standard. On the positive side about 25% of the fruit are awesome and taste great. The other 50% of the fruit on the tree are somewhere in between with quality ranging from good to very good but short of outstanding.

The fruit quality on the Gold Nugget is quite variable. The Yosemite Gold is much more consistent and juicer even though it's sugar content is lower and doesn't hit the highs of the best Gold nugget.   

I have been eating the last of my Yosemite Gold's recently and they are getting sweeter while still retaining there high juice content.

No fruit is perfect but the Gold Nugget is overrated as being the best new mandarin.


Citrus General Discussion / Gold Nugget Mandarin Problems
« on: May 07, 2018, 09:41:33 AM »
As my Gold Nugget Tree matures and produces more fruit I am finding the fruit quality to be somewhat inconsistent. I have noticed the larger fruit left on the tree until late April or May dry out and become uneatable. The smaller fruit that are less bumpy and have thin skin are excellent and are among the best I have tasted this season.  The gold Nugget has a lower juice content compared to most other mandarins but late in the season many fruit are drying out completely. When you get a good one it's wonderful but too many of my fruit are less than perfect, what a shame.

My Yosemite Gold mandarin is much more consistent so far with all of the fruit so far being juicy and having excellent flavor. Yes the Gold Nugget is sweeter and certain smaller fruit on the tree beat the Yosemite Gold but there is a high level of fruit variability with the Gold Nugget cultivar. I am throwing away most of the large Bumpy fruit and just eating the smaller, smooth skinned fruit on my 14 foot tall tree. It is almost like there is two varieties being produced from the same tree with one being great and the other being poor.   


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart Budwood Graft
« on: April 22, 2018, 09:44:59 AM »
Hope you have success with your grafted Sweet Tart. From my own experience, mango grafts are most successful from late July to Early September when temperatures are highest and both the scion and rootstock are in full bud swell and growth mode.

Here is a recent photo of my Sweet Tart mango tree blooming on manila rootstock. I grafted this Sweet Tart in Late July 2016 and it has grown quite nicely over the past 1 1/2 years. The Bottom Photo is my Coconut Cream Mango Tree which was grafted to a manila seedling in late August 2016.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dot mango dying in SoCal
« on: March 20, 2018, 08:03:04 PM »
That is strange your Dot mango tree is dying. I purchased mine in 2015 from Florida on Turpentine root stock and placed it in a 15 gallon container. It has grown fine for 2 1/2 years with no disease issues or spraying required.  I will be grafting some scions from this Dot tree this summer to some Manila Seedling tees I already have in the ground.

Hear a a few photos I took in February 2018 of my tree in bloom.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to Pick Moro Blood Orange?
« on: February 21, 2018, 02:45:25 PM »
I can not recall eating a sweet moro blood orange. It did have some berry flavors but the fruit never reached the sweetness of a good Mandarin (it was always tart) or did it ever have the balance flavor of the Washington Navel Orange. Fruit production for the Moro was Fair to Fair+ at best even when fully grown. Perhaps other that have grown the Moro at a warmer location than I have had better luck but that tree was a looser for coastal Orange County.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to Pick Moro Blood Orange?
« on: February 21, 2018, 11:48:41 AM »
I had a Beautiful mature Moro blood orange tree at my house about 10 years ago but I removed it. The problem is at my coastal location the Moro blood orange tree requires more inland heat to ripen and the fruit never fully sweeten up or ripened properly even with a long growing season. Also if the fruit are left on the tree too long they get a unpleasant fermented musty after taste. The overall fruit quality was sub par hence the removal. The Washington Navel tree that replaced it produced excellent quality fruit from a early age and was a much better match at my area.


The Best is relative to individual taste but I will list my preference based on growing citrus the last 25 years at my location.


-Washington Navel and Cara Cara but the Cara Cara is a smaller slowing growing tree.


-Gold nugget - a high sugar mandarin with very Good to excellent flavor.  A tall tree with good production once the tree is mature (6+ years) Note: the juice content is not high but it is seedless.  The best late season Mandarin.

-  Yosemite Gold Mandarin - A large fruit and very juicy. Excellent strong mandarin flavor that is more sub-acid than super sweet. My tree is a consistent and high producer of quality fruit. (seedless)  January to April.

Kinnow - This one has it all (high sugar, high juice and high flavor impact) and may be the best mandarin I ever had if properly tree  ripened but it has several major flaws in that is is alternative bearing and has 25 seeds per fruit. Very seedy. (If this tree produced annually and had no seeds it would be the ultimate late season mandarin)


Meyer Lemon - Everybody loves this fruit and it is the only lemon tree I recommend to homeowners.


Oroblanco:  My 22 year old semi dwarf tree produces the most fruit, in poundage, of any of my citrus trees.  Over the years it is the most reliably consistent producer of high quality fruit with no alternate bearing whatsoever. A winner indeed.

There is my two cents


Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35 rootstock tree size
« on: January 25, 2018, 02:12:00 PM »
I have Three Citrus trees on C-35 root stock (Tango, Yosemite Gold and Gold Nugget) that are 7 years in the ground.  They average 12-14 feet tall so far and continue to grow. This is a very productive year for all three trees with the Yosemite Gold being the most loaded with fruit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: December 13, 2017, 10:18:17 AM »
I tried growing David Bowie Dragon-fruit at my location in Orange County and had very poor results. Low vigor and scant growth after two growing seasons . Perhaps others will have better luck then I. Removed the Bowie and replaced with Sugar Dragon "8S" which has taken off with strong growth. What a difference.


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