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Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Dekopon budwood (wanted)
« on: January 05, 2019, 12:58:28 PM »
Hello,

After you mentioned Dekopon as one of the best citrus I am very excited to have one.

I guess it is not a patented variety so I will be very pleased if any of you can sell me some budwoods in spring.

Best regards.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrina Ornamental dwarf trees
« on: December 30, 2018, 07:51:41 AM »
I sent an email to Tintori company to learn if the original DVD has a subtitle.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: My Citrus trees
« on: December 30, 2018, 07:50:37 AM »
Very nice collection :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrina Ornamental dwarf trees
« on: December 29, 2018, 11:47:03 AM »
Volkameriana is a great rootstock for a nursery. As I observed it is the quickest rootstock to appear at grafting stage and it is also very strong and even under weak nursery conditions it grows very well without much care.
Actually Volkameriana is the reason I got excited to start nursery again. It becomes very popular with growers here because lemon trees on it is are very healthy, vigorous and productive. So farmers are asking for it and the availability is limited.
It would be great for big container and garden ornamentals but I don't think the small trees we discuss here will benefit from Volkameriana.

But I will definitely try some ornamental tree budwoods on them to see how it will work. I have around 130.000 Volkameriana seeds at the fridge, enough to make any experiment :D

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrina Ornamental dwarf trees
« on: December 29, 2018, 10:59:48 AM »
Thank you very much Radoslav. What he does with the rootstock and scion is very interesting. I have an ortanique mandarin tree, the scion is dead and it is become a big C35 tree. In February I will try this method with cuttings from this tree.
Actually DVD is totally interesting.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrina Ornamental dwarf trees
« on: December 29, 2018, 08:44:55 AM »
Thank you for your opinions.
My first kumquat was one of these small trees that are sold in flower shops, not nurseries. It was so expensive and I hesitated to buy one, then I noticed my cousin bought me one as present when I was thinking at a corner :D
The price at that time was 10x of current prices. But that tree lived happily at my balcony for 3 years and then I made almost a thousand kumquat tree using it as source.

I know what Radoslav mean when he says scam but I see these ornamental trees as quality cut flowers or ornamental flowers that are sold at corners as Millet mentioned. It is a nice touch in someone's life even for a period. Like buying a violet in a vase from the corner supermarket.

Millet, I will mention your name on company website as "great doyen advisor" and it will be your business from then :D And I will be pleased to send you a tree anytime before reaching the million :D

Anytime I talk to someone and when they learn I am doing citrus business the first thing they ask is those small orange fruits that can be eaten with the peel and they can grow in a container at their balcony. "Yes" I reply; "the kumquats."

So actually I will be pleased to talk about the technic more.

1. Can you identify the rootstock from the photo. Yes it is a trifoliata but which?
2. Do you think it is a cleft graft or do you have different ideas?

My first kumquat is almost 10 years old and it is still 1m tall, I suspect it is a flying dragon.
I found out C35 is a perfect rootstock for kumquat, it makes the tree semi-dwarf but it helps branching from the bud point. So the tree starts with 3-4 branches just from the bud union and the result is a compact very beautiful tree.



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus inodora
« on: December 29, 2018, 08:22:18 AM »
Congratulations. I have never heard of it until I read this topic, thanks for the information.

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Citrus General Discussion / Citrina Ornamental dwarf trees
« on: December 28, 2018, 05:50:48 AM »
Hello,

I just watched the video of Citrina, an ornamental dwarf citrus tree company in Portugal, it is very very impressive.

Please watch the video here;
https://www.citrina-plants.com/en/citrina/

This is what I dream to do as business in a longer period, very satisfying.

The main process should be;

1. Using a dwarf rootstock such as flying dragon and making a very strong root structure. ( On 00:44 rootstock leaves are visible and easy to identify I guess, I couldn't identify though)
2. It seems that at some point where the rootstock is 25-30cm long, and small in diameter they cut it and cleft graft the scion (00:44)
3. The rest is a well planned nutrition I guess.




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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Robinson mandarins this year
« on: December 23, 2018, 03:10:56 PM »
Thank you Millet.
Split opening is a serious problem with Robinson and Nova mandarin and it can split up to %30 of total yield.

Academic reports recommend 3 application of %2Ca(NO3)2 (CALCIUM NITRATE); 20 ppm GA3 (Gibberellic acid)  and 20 ppm 2,4-D (2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid) and this helps keeping splitting fruits up to %60.

We make this but on the other hand some farmers noticed if they DON'T apply Gibberellic acid at the beginning of the season for fruit set, the splitting occurs in smaller ratios. Somehow, with an unknown mechanism to us, GA3 increases split ratio as they say.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Robinson mandarins this year
« on: December 23, 2018, 01:18:33 PM »
I am sorry for your tree Radoslav.

 It is one of the best varieties I've tasted.
One disadvantage is; it makes too much cracked fruit. (I don't know right term for it in English but fruit peel gets cracked and fruits drop.)

Robinson trees like hard pruning very much and it really increases yield.

Thank you Millet :) Robinsons are getting imported every year and it is one of the profitable varieties. W.Murcott is the leading variety at the moment as price per kg.
Satsumas are sold domestically in September and October.

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Citrus General Discussion / Robinson mandarins this year
« on: December 23, 2018, 03:56:26 AM »
Hello.

This week we harvested Robinson mandarins. Because we had to prune too much at the beginning of the season, the yield is lower than usual so fruits got big :)

These mandarins on the photo have 250gr average weight and diameter is around 3.5"






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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What citrus would you plant?
« on: December 19, 2018, 11:40:29 AM »
I can't list 4 for each but my anytime favourites and must-have trees are;

Euroka lemon, Cara Cara Blood orange and Robinson mandarin.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget patent
« on: December 18, 2018, 04:22:34 AM »
I got excited suddenly when I read the "unpatented" term on google patent page but it seems google is not the best place to search for patents, right?  ;D

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold Nugget patent
« on: December 17, 2018, 03:10:09 AM »
Thank you very much Radoslav, I will check this.

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Citrus General Discussion / Gold Nugget patent
« on: December 16, 2018, 02:36:52 PM »
Hello.

I thought Gold Nugget mandarin was still patented as it is said on;
https://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/products/copy-of-gold-nugget-mandarin-patented

But on Google patents, Tango page;
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20070056064

it says;
Quote
Recently released mid to late season cultivars that are very low-seeded include ‘Gold Nugget’ (unpatented), ‘TDE2’ mandarin hybrid (Shasta Gold®) having U.S. Plant Pat. No. 15,461, ‘TDE3’ mandarin hybrid (Tahoe Gold®) having U.S. Plant Pat. No. 15,703, and ‘TDE4’ mandarin hybrid (Yosemite Gold®), having U.S. Publication No. 2003/0237120. ‘

And the patent search there doesn't list any patent for Gold Nugget, despite listed varieties such as; tango, TD3, Daisy

Is there a better source than Google patents to check patents?

Best.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: December 11, 2018, 04:35:43 AM »
Thank you very much Millet.
Actually the symptoms I see on internet don't look very similar to our situation. Also we haven't notice much problems on fruits. But in any case it is very easy to try applying the correct fungisit and check the result. We will see.

Have a nice day :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: December 10, 2018, 06:53:46 AM »
UPDATE

In case, people with similar problems in future may get help, here is an update.

The new lab report arrived and they say there is fungal pathogen Dothiorella sp. on trunk on the scion. Beside the incompatibility, they think this is the reason of dying trees.
They also thinks the rootstock and scion has incompatibility and this makes the tree weaker to be affected by the fungi.

I am not sure if it is worth the effort but they say it is possible to save the trees with a systemic fungisit which will be applied at the beginning of spring.

We will see. The next update will be on April 2019 I guess.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Proptek Air Pruning pots
« on: November 23, 2018, 01:38:30 AM »
Thank you Millet. I was wrong in terms and product names I think, sorry.

I will germinate seeds in 60 cell Rootmaker tray and transplant seedlings from Rootmaker to Proptek 12" deep pots as seen in the video below;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzEUUtW_rQ

Because the Rootmakers will develop a strong root system, the chance of deformation of seedling roots while transplanting by workers, will be minimum.
Then in Proptek we can grow them to trees and bud them in those deep pots.

I just can't see in the video how they water the pots. I can't see in the video below neither;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XvCQDnFE3g

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Proptek Air Pruning pots
« on: November 22, 2018, 03:44:41 PM »
Thank you very much Millet.

One of my concern is how close the trees are in a 8 pot tray. But I see that  they do fine together in nursery videos.

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Citrus General Discussion / Proptek Air Pruning pots
« on: November 22, 2018, 02:46:13 AM »
Hello,

What do you think of Proptek air pruning pots? I see on Youtube videos, many citrus nurseries use that kind of square shaped, long pots with air pruning.
They are easy to handle and store in nursery.
Maybe next step after Rootmaker tray can be these pots.

Especially these 8 cell tray, long versions seems very promising.

https://www.proptek.com/trays/shrub-trays/008pifnd-8-cell-tray/240

https://www.proptek.com/dbfiles/products/286/008PIFF1_dummy_00PIFFN-008PIFFD_Datasheet_180416.pdf

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: November 13, 2018, 04:07:01 PM »
Thank you, I bought a combination of ZnSO4 and MnSO4, tomorrow we will apply it.
Today I met an agricultural engineer and luckily he has worked at the company few years ago who made our dead tree test. He strongly advice not to believe the result we get from local lab and send the samples to another company in another city.
This week I will send some soil and leaf samples and a dead root to this recommended lab. We will see.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: November 12, 2018, 09:58:25 AM »

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: November 12, 2018, 09:58:03 AM »
Thanks for the warning Sylvain, on the 55th page of the book "Nutrition of Florida Citrus Trees" book, it says;

"Application of foliar Zn fertilizer is usually combined with pesticide sprays scheduled in April or May at 3 to 5 lbs of metallic Zn/acre using either ZnO or ZnSO4."

I was aware of the ZnSO4 application but first time read about this above. It will be great to clear that information here.

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SoCal2warm, it is somehow ironic when we try to get a healthier foliage for the tree, we also push the growth rate difference of the rootstock and scion.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: November 12, 2018, 01:45:53 AM »
Thank you Millet. Salinity of the soil is low and after Dr.Whitcomb's warning many years ago, we know that our water is also good.
But the soil is calcareous.

Now for the rest of the tress alive, we will apply 5 lbs of Mn as MnSO₄ and 5 lbs of Zn as ZnO foliar spray and we will repeat this in the spring and I will share the results with you and keep this thread alive as a record.

Thank you all :)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: C35-Meyer lemon incompatibility
« on: November 11, 2018, 02:18:54 PM »
Thank you Radoslav. We are sure the rootstocks are C35, seeds were provided by the university. And I read the houzz.com discussion. We also have Meyer lemons on C35, which are still alive after 7 years, our first test trees. They are not in perfect condition and show micronutrient deficiencies but alive. But their soil is better, this may help. Unfortunately, the big orchards have more calcareous type soil and symptoms are worse.

Millet, thank you for the information. When my father first met with C35, he also planted an orange orchard on it which have died many years ago, at 2-3 years old. And we have a 4000 W.Murcott trees on C35. Soil of that orchard is very strong and trees are very happy at the moment. we are expecting to get 50kg fruit per tree this year, they are 3-4 years old. Your note on developing bud union crease and decline after 10-15 years is frightening though.

According to the document below;
- C-35 is susceptible to zinc and manganese deficiencies.
- More sensitive to calcareous soils than Carrizo citrange.

http://chislettfarms.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/C-35+citrange+sml.pdf

It seems that we succeeded the worst combination ever on citrus history.

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