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When you were at ZHPP, did anyone happen to say whether they would have any Cotton Candy mangos available anytime soon???  That's one fruit I'd like to taste!

Didnít see any this morning, & I forgot to ask 😓😣. Tons of crates of Orange Sherbet, half a crate of Van Dyke, & an almost full container of 36-8 (I think was the number).

If it's 36-8...does anyone have comments on this one?  I don't have any notes on this.  Thx.

I have not considered it in the top class although its good.  On par with Orange Essence and Kathy.  It definitely has some characteristics of an Indian mango.  I know in the past, the people from India really liked it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to harvest Wurtz Avocado in FL?
« on: July 20, 2018, 12:51:03 PM »
In Florida, mid/late October through November.  They will be best in middle to late November.  You will notice the shine on the skin will begin to dull a little.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The Best Mango - On any given Sunday
« on: July 20, 2018, 08:01:24 AM »
Of these top 3
E-4
Sweet Tart
Dot.
How diease Resistance are they to MBBS
Ive got 2 keitt trees want to top work, so looking for  something that will be easier to grow

Instead of posting in a bunch of random threads, probably best to start a new one.  I will add two things, since we are still really in a discovery phase, I would say noone knows for sure uf anything is resistant.   It does appear tbose varieties with a Julie descended may be a bit better, or at least slower.  Maybe consider Taralay.  From a backyard grower perspective  (you are not a commercial grove), I would grow the variety you want and maintain your trees to best prevent.

BTW, you do realize E4 has not been released.  I think people hear that the fruit has been sampled this tear by many so the trees are available....which is not the case.  In a best case scenario, trees would be ready by Spring 2019. 

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Was there yesterday July 18 2018. Yes they had very small 3 gal Cotton Candy trees.

He meant the fruit for sale.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How To Reach High Mulberries?
« on: July 19, 2018, 02:05:23 PM »
Has anyone invented a pole picker for small fruit like mulberries? My pole picker works fine for larger fruit, but is useless for mulberries. I might try lining my current picker with something to try to keep the berries from falling out.

Prune tree heavily after fruiting to keep smaller and easier to access...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Cocktail aka 28-18
« on: July 19, 2018, 01:23:44 PM »
So if I've had Capri Sun by circumstance at various gatherings in my life, but never once craved it and thought, "I must go out and buy Capri Sun," does this mean I can skip this mango?

The taste is enjoyable, but Yes, you can skip this one. (Unless it turns out to be more productive and more disease-resistant than all the other good mangos.)

Requisite disclaimer: Your Mileage May Vary.

I would skio Fruit Punch and go with Fruit Cocktail.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Citrus leaf pic - iron deficiency?
« on: July 19, 2018, 07:10:47 AM »
Your responses will be best if you post in the citrus section of the forum.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit Cocktail aka 28-18
« on: July 18, 2018, 10:21:37 PM »
So if I've had Capri Sun by circumstance at various gatherings in my life, but never once craved it and thought, "I must go out and buy Capri Sun," does this mean I can skip this mango?

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

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Cac I only had it twice, not for me either time. I will not give up on Phoenix either. Was yours off of a grafted tree?

It was off a tree that was top worked at least a few years ago.

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Wish I liked the fruit of P.P but do not. Would like to get Nancy, I would think it might work, watcha think?

Dont know enough about its ultimate growth habit and to me, not a fruit I was thrilled about.

What about Cac?

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exactly, a very good idea and close to what it will be. And for the 7-8 varieties I have had, they are pretty close if not exactly what they were at 5 years or longer. I cannot speak for all the other varieties like C.C, I got rid of mine before trialing the fruit. You can usually tell what that fruit will become! Phoenix has me worried, I think it may be a flop!

I got rid of my Coco Cream at my old house after 6 years due to tree's growth and poor qualities of the fruit.  At my new place, it is not one of the 21 varieties I have planted out..

Pineapple Pleasure may work as a partner on your Peach Cobbler.  They have two different fruiting seasons.

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Me too, I did not think it would give me any doubt of it's worth, but it did. Now have to ride it out another year. If it sucks, the space will give me more room for another shaded structure for my figs, so I can't lose. lol

I wouldnt not get rid of that Phoenix just yet.  I just xut into this one and just as awesome as what I have had the last two years.  Its xompmexity is what you should like.





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My Phoenix is well branched and about 8 ft. tall and can easily hold fruit for a good evaluation next year. I think that they will show what there made of right away and every variety I have grown over the decades has shown this, including the new Peach Cobbler which in it's second year of production, tastes the same as the first year. If it starts tasting better in a few years, than it's  a bonus!

I can see if your tree is 6+ months older and in the ground it could be 8 feet.

You may be able to get an idea from a young tree however taste will definitely improve with age.  I believe this to be true of trees on nursery stock and trees that have been top worked on a mature tree.

Coconut Cream is one that definitely improves with age, and I am talking 5+ years.  I believe Sweet Tart does as well.

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That was Rob but the fruit was taken from the mother tree I believe and am pretty much sure of. These grafted trees are different animals.  It is an amazing tree, very healthy and vibrant. I will let mine fruit one time to prove if it stays or gets the ax. Do not need multiple years to tell if it has value!

I should have let my  15 gal Phoenix hold fruit this year to evaluate. Good thing i havent planted it in-ground. It may or may not improve flavor here in our dry California weather.

15 gal Phoenix???  It was just released about a year and a half ago, how big could it have been in a 15 gal pot in California?
This is what it looks like b4 it was sent to me last year.





https://ibb.co/bSf2UJ


(I was told i got the authentic phoenix unless something is cooking?)

You got that tree last year?  That tree looks to be about 8-10 feet tall?  While anything is possible, its a little suspicious to me.  I wont ask where it was from...

It also looked to be in no condition to hold any fruit.

Well, you can see the Pine Island Fruitscapes sign in the background of the pic  ::) ::) ::) ::)

Gozp is in California, Fruitscapes does not ship trees to California...so with that being said...Why dont you go to Whole Foods and get another one of those delicious organic Tommy Atkins...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 18, 2018, 05:38:23 PM »
Are the Australian, Pakistan usually grafted or from cuttings?

The Austrailian is grafted.  It does not seem to want to root from cuttings.

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That was Rob but the fruit was taken from the mother tree I believe and am pretty much sure of. These grafted trees are different animals.  It is an amazing tree, very healthy and vibrant. I will let mine fruit one time to prove if it stays or gets the ax. Do not need multiple years to tell if it has value!

I should have let my  15 gal Phoenix hold fruit this year to evaluate. Good thing i havent planted it in-ground. It may or may not improve flavor here in our dry California weather.

15 gal Phoenix???  It was just released about a year and a half ago, how big could it have been in a 15 gal pot in California?
This is what it looks like b4 it was sent to me last year.





https://ibb.co/bSf2UJ


(I was told i got the authentic phoenix unless something is cooking?)

You got that tree last year?  That tree looks to be about 8-10 feet tall?  While anything is possible, its a little suspicious to me.  I wont ask where it was from...

It also looked to be in no condition to hold any fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 18, 2018, 05:02:41 PM »
I got a mulberry from *gulp* TopTropicals "labelled" "Australian". It fruited abundantly and it's flavor was along the description from Rob and Cookie. Very sweet with mild melon/cantelope notes. I'll see if I can post some  actual pics .

Is the Australian fruit white or red/black?

When unripe its green...it turns a dirty white eggshell color when ripe.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Future's Florida Fruit Feast 8
« on: July 18, 2018, 04:05:35 PM »
I've not heard of cac mango from VN.
Their #1 mango is cat.

Oh Tim, where are you....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 18, 2018, 04:03:36 PM »
Since the OP is in Florida, some recommendations and opinions that come from those growing in other states may not be applicable.

Hak Ip does not struggle or be considered finicky in its growth in Florida.  I also do not notice a medicinal taste from a rioe Hak Ip grown here  (and I have eaten much poundage).  Pick them with too much green ir nit fulky ripe, then you get what you get.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: July 18, 2018, 03:20:46 PM »
Yes, it does have some coconut flavor but does not taste like coconut cream mango.

Correct,  E4 does not the same type of coconut flavor as Coco Cream...and E4, M4 and Coco Cream do not all have the same flavor profiles.

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Me too, I did not think it would give me any doubt of it's worth, but it did. Now have to ride it out another year. If it sucks, the space will give me more room for another shaded structure for my figs, so I can't lose. lol

A lot of these trees will not show their true colors when allowed to hold fruit at 2 or 3 years old.  You are free to make your own choices but that way of evaluating is jumping the gun a bit...

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That was Rob but the fruit was taken from the mother tree I believe and am pretty much sure of. These grafted trees are different animals.  It is an amazing tree, very healthy and vibrant. I will let mine fruit one time to prove if it stays or gets the ax. Do not need multiple years to tell if it has value!

I should have let my  15 gal Phoenix hold fruit this year to evaluate. Good thing i havent planted it in-ground. It may or may not improve flavor here in our dry California weather.

15 gal Phoenix???  It was just released about a year and a half ago, how big could it have been in a 15 gal pot in California?

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I want to have a few varieties on my Peach Cobbler tree!  any suggestions? Honey Kiss would be my first choice for I want a late season mango, but am thinking they might grow totally different and not compliment each other.

For a later season, possibly Cotton Candy. My Cotton Candy seems to gave a similar growth habit.

Honey Kiss will not be a good companion, the Peach Cobbler will eat it up.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mulberry and Lychee recommendations.
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:12:56 PM »
Behl - I have read online what  Achetadomestica said below that the Persian Mulberry does not do well in FL. I don't know if any of the FL growers on the forum have had a different experience.

Acheta - Did you grow the varieties you have from cutting or did you buy the plants from a nursery? If so, which nursery?

Brad - Any idea where I could buy a Kaimana?

Rob, TnTrobbie, Jeff - Where would I find Australian white, Tice plants? I am not usually a big fan of super sweet, so I will try the Australian before I buy.

Koundog - I have not heard of the giant type.

Tice may be a bit difficult to find.  Excalibur has the Australian Green (not sure who else in Florida sells it).  This variety has some everbearing traits and you may be able to find a ripe fruit to taste.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeking info on M-4 mango
« on: July 18, 2018, 12:10:18 PM »
I tasted about 3 sugar loaf ĖE4 mangoes.  It does not taste like coconut cream mango to me. Itís more like pineapples.  One of them with white flush tasted to me is a mix of sweet and sour pineapple.  One of them with light yellow flush tasted to me like sour pineapple.  And the third one was perfect it was like a sweet pineapple.  They had more pineapple flavor than the pineapple pleasure mango. There was a significant variation in the taste from mango to mango. Itís because they may not be picked or ripens at the perfect stage.  Its flush has some white color and pineapple flavor, but not sweet as the sugar loaf pineapple. Its taste may not be good as a perfect coconut cream mango but is unique.  I like to grow this mango tree because itís unique flavor.  I never tasted the m4 mango.

Yes, proper harvest time is a problem with mangoes that basucally stay green.  When properly picked, the E4 will have a pale yellow flesh and can even have a hint of texture that some may deem as minimal fiber (as does Pickering).

While I agree it is not the Hawaiin Tropic coconut flavor found in the Coco Cream but is definitely coconut.  I do find it odd that you detected no coconut with your E4s.  I can only think harvesting issues were the cause.  In the same respect, what flavors did you detect in the Pineapple Pleasure?  Harvest with this fruit also olays a role but in any event, the flavors in ever one I have ever gad have been pineapple, just ranging from tart to super sweet with an acidic balance.

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