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Here is a great article I found that discusses the use of Copper as a Fungicide/Biocide. It talks about the different Copper formulations and gives the pros and cons.

Please feel free to post comments, additional articles regarding use of fungicides or personal experiences using the various Copper products out there.

I am personally considering the purchase of Magnabon CS2005 but it is extremely expensive and I am looking for an alternative that might have similar systemic activity.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 2019 Indian Mango Season
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:11:08 PM »
A good friend just called me up and notified me that the local Indian supermarkets have their shipment of Indian Mangos in.

Here is a thread from last year.

From past experience, I know that the early Mangos are usually not in their prime but I decided to buy anyways. They had three varieties available. Alphonso was 37.99 a box, Banganpalli was 34.99 a box and Rajapuri was 34.99 a box.

I bought a box of Rajapuri. When they opened up the box, the Mangos were all green and relatively small considering that Rajapuri is a large mango that can get over a pound each.

The early Mangos are usually about 70-80% of their prime so Iím not expecting to be wowed by these fruit but Iím glad the Indian Mango season has begun


There is a thread for most reliable Mango varieties for Southern California so I decided to create a thread for least reliable Mango varieties for SoCal as well.

One of the most notorious varieties for being stingy or not fruiting at all in some years is Lemon Zest. Due to its high susceptibility fungal diseases like Powdery Mildew, flower panicles get infected and dry out. Without a spraying regimen, you will likely get low or zero yield from this variety, at least for those living In areas where temperature and humidity favor PM.

Pim Seng Mun performs really poorly on Leoís tree. Leo has a large section of PSM that has been growing well for many years but hardly ever sets fruit. This varieties flower panicles are also highly susceptible to Powdery Mildew.

Alphonso will set fruit without spraying in some years but there is very little fruit set. The fruit that is set can get spongy tissue and also jelly seed. I highly recommend against planting this variety in SoCal.

Please add any varieties that have performed poorly for you in terms of fruit set and holding fruit to maturity.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / SoCal mango flowering update
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:25:14 PM »
Here are some pictures of blooming mango trees from my friends yard in SoCal.

Sweet Tart on Manilla rootstock

Sweet Tart on Florida rootstock. The white strings in the picture are used to hold the branches upright to prevent droopiness


I want to start this thread to begin tracking the performance of the top tier Mangos varieties when grown in SoCal. Any information from growers in other Mango growing regions would be greatly appreciated. Varieties that are highly disease resistant in one mango growing region may be a good indicator that they could potentially be a good reliable producer in SoCal although we know this is not necessarily true in many instances.

I will include a few varieties that are not necessarily top tier in everyoneís ratings but some people love these varieties and they are very common in the nurseries so I will include them here.

So far, here is a short list of varieties that taste good and are reliable in SoCal: Leo 2, Peggy, Leo Z, Sweet Tart, Venus, Edward, Maha Chanok, Glenn, Kesar, Valencia Pride. There are a lot more that I canít remember right now but I just want to get this topic started.

If you are growing a good tasting variety and you notice it produces reliably for you, please post here so that we can compare it to how it performs for others in SoCal.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Gigantea Sapodilla tree
« on: March 15, 2019, 09:28:41 PM »
Iím looking for a Gigantea Sapodilla tree. If you have one for sale and can ship, please contact me. Thanks,


Citrus General Discussion / Shiranui too large for branches
« on: January 22, 2019, 07:52:29 PM »
the Last couple of days have been pretty windy and I just got home from work and noticed that two branches of my  Shiranui(Dekopon) were snapped in half. Iíve noticed that Shiranui, like most tangerines, tend to hold too many fruit on their branches. I thought I was smart and thinned about 70% of the fruit when they were about marble size but that just made the remaining fruit bigger. My larger fruit are as big, if not bigger than the store bought Premium Dekopon fruit. My largest weighed about 1 lbs 2 Oz.

Anyone else have issues with their Shiranui grafts? The fruit were already colored up but I was hoping to let them hang a bit longer to sweeten up more. I just cut open a smaller fruit to take a Brix reading and it came in at 14% Brix.

Without curing the fruit, the flavor was good with good sweetness and an acidity similar to an Orange. I will cure some of the fruit in my garage for 1-3 weeks in order to let the citric/ascorbic acid mellow to see if flavor improves.  Here are some pictures of the fruit harvested from the branches that snapped off.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Giant Cherimoyas
« on: January 08, 2019, 07:51:19 PM »
I just found this giant Cherimoya under my tree. I put it on the scale and it weighed 2 lbs. 5 Oz. I know there are much bigger Cherimoyas out there but this is a pretty big fruit considering how much fruit I let my tree hold this year and the last couple years.

You get a better idea of how big it is with the jumbo chicken egg next to it.

I looked around the tree and found several other big Moyas in the 1.5-2.5lbs range.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rudy #20 Cherimoya info?
« on: December 31, 2018, 03:54:40 PM »
Does anyone have info on Rudy #20 Cherimoya? I got scions from either Rudy, his son Mike or Frank. I have my first fruit to Brad and he thought it was fantastic, one of the better Moyas heís had this year.

Here are some pictures of my second and last fruit, I only had two on a small grafted branch.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Looking for Sapodilla fruit
« on: November 11, 2018, 05:30:30 PM »
Iím looking to purchase some Sapodilla fruit. A good friend just sent me a few fruit and they were absolutely delicious and Iím craving more. If you have any fruit available for sale, please contact me.  Thanks for your time.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Todayís Harvest from the orchard
« on: October 19, 2018, 02:33:35 PM »
I have a tiny yard but it still produces a good amount of fruit. Not too long ago, I teamed up with Brad to set up a big orchard and we hope to be harvesting wheelbarrows full of fruit in the coming years.

First, here is a picture of my harvest from several years ago. I love this picture because of the diversity of fruit and contrast of colors between the different varieties of fruit.

Here is a picture of fruit harvested today. This is only fruit from today. There are still a ton of fruit that I was too lazy to pick. There is also a lot of fruit that are still ripening. I chopped up the White Jade pineapple yesterday but it would have been beautiful in the background. The bananas, guava and key limes are from Brads place.

I should have added a few stalks of San Diego Yellow and Asian Black Sugarcane but too late, I already juiced them.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Red Hybrid Jaboticaba size?
« on: September 21, 2018, 07:55:08 PM »
Just wondering how big the red Hybrid Fruit gets? I have a seedling from Oscars seeds that is producing now on a small tree and s couple of the fruit are over an inch wide. The biggest one is over 1 1/4 inches wide. Not all the fruit are this big but I assume Iíll get more and potentially larger Fruit as the tree matures. How big is your fruit?

The taste is amazing. It has a Brix of 23-24% and has excellent sugar acid balance. Here are some pictures of the fruit.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Help identifying fruit
« on: August 27, 2018, 10:47:26 PM »
Does anyone know what this is? Thanks in advance!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any info on J-17 Mango?
« on: August 10, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »
Does anyone have any information on J-17 Mango. Thanks,


Tropical Fruit Discussion / 36-8 Mango
« on: July 22, 2018, 06:57:42 PM »
Does anyone have info on the lineage of 36-8 mango? Brad just sampled a fruit and it was one of the favorites heís tried so far. He liked it better than Orange Sherbet, E4, J12 and Creme BrŻlťe. I wasnít able to sample the 36-8 because of work but Brad described it as sweet with notes of coconut and some Indian resin with just enough acidity to balance out the sugars.

Any info about this variety is greatly appreciated.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / No Mai Tsze Lychee in Florida
« on: July 21, 2018, 11:36:59 PM »
Sulcata Grove just posted a video about the No Mai Tsze Lychee. In the video, they sample the fruit and compare it to Sweetheart. The fruit does look a lot like the No Mai Tsze I ate in Hong Kong and China except that the fruit in Asia were more filled in and rounded. The description on the growth rate of the tree also suggests it is the real NMT. Their description of it being less juicy and with a concentrated sweet flavor is also spot on.

I hope others will be able to grow and sample this variety in the near future.

Leo Manuel just notified me of these new introductions. I believe they were introduced by Maurice Kong but I am not positive. Has anyone tasted these varieties or have any information they can add.

Several people including Cielo, Kevin Foth, Bob Holtzinger,  Dr. Paulette Johnson of Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Society, Dr. Jonathan Crane at the University of Florida, Steve Pearson curator of Gifford Arboretum among others attended the special Mango tasting.

Maurice Kong introduced us to Ice Cream Mango and Po Pyu Kalay so I figure if he introduced these new varieties, they have potential.

1.    Shwe Hin Dha (Burma)

2.    Thong Lone Tda Daung Burma)

3.     Nuan Tjan (Thailand)

4.     Yai Grom  (Thailand)


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mulgova Mango
« on: July 07, 2018, 07:26:20 PM »
I just received my box of Mulgova Mangos grown in India from We are in the midst of a heatwave here in SoCal and I was very afraid that the Mangos would not last long in the extreme heat, especially when I discovered they were not shipped overnight.

When I opened up the box, I was happy to see that the Mangos were well insulated in a spongy material to prevent bruising injury. I could definitely smell the Mangos when I opened up the box but the aroma was gentle and smelled similar to a Kent mixed with Haden and I didnít detect any Indian resin smell.  When I picked up the Mangos, they were very very warm to the touch and fully ripe. One of the Mangos has a slight cut and soft spot on it so I immediately cut it open.

When I cut open the fruit, I smelled everything I described earlier plus I detected the Indian resin smell that is so popular with varieties from India. The flesh was soft and melting with a bright orange color. The flesh was super juicy and fiberless.

I was expecting this Mango to blow my mind because I saw Chrisís videos from Truly Tropical and she described it as excellent tasting but not very productive. I figured a Mango that is unproductive and huge must be pretty good to keep around. This mango is very good but this first fruit I sampled was not outstanding.

It had a slight creamy mango taste to it and the flavor profile of the center flesh( away from the skin) tasted like a combination of Kent/Haden and Banganpalli. The flesh closer to the skin tasted very much like Banganpalli with a lot more Indian Resin taste than compared to the flesh from the center. The flesh next to the skin tasted almost identical to Banganpalli.

This Mango was very well rounded in that it had excellent sweetness(Brix 22%) and a good balance of typical Tropical Mango flavor with some Indian resin mixed in. There was no detectable acidity, similar to Kent/Haden and I will try to eat one of the other fruit slightly more firm to see if there is a difference in taste.

A very good Mango but I prefer Rajapuri over this Mulgova because Rajapuri has a more complex mix of flavors. Perhaps the other fruit that arenít as over ripe will be better. Iíll report back on how the others turn out.



I am looking to purchase E4(Sugarloaf) mango seeds. If you have any seeds available, I would like to purchase them. Thanks,


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Rajapuri Mango
« on: June 29, 2018, 09:52:48 PM »
I have never even heard of this mango before so when I saw it at the Indian supermarket, I had to try it. I have a description of this mango along with pictures here

I just canít believe that I have never heard about this mango before. It is absolutely delicious, super juicy and the combination of unique flavors make it stand out from the crowd.

Is anyone growing this variety and does anyone know anything about this variety? This is definitely a variety worth growing in the US.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Best tasting mangos of 2018
« on: June 29, 2018, 09:32:01 PM »
I just wanted to continue the annual best tasting thread so that us mango snobs can keep track of whatís tasting best for the year. Here is a link to previous years threads:

The season at my location has not begun yet but I was able to try a new variety of mango called Rajapuri grown in India that tastes like Tropical Punch. It is a large green mango that will blush with some yellow when ripe although some of the fruit will stay completely green. It smells and tastes like a combination of Passionfruit, Guava and peach. It has a bit of Indian resin flavor but only just slightly.

I also sampled a couple PiŮa Colada fruit that weíre amazing. The PiŮa Colada was mostly green with just a blush of yellow. The smell of the ripe uncut fruit is very reminiscent of PiŮa Colada. I smelled more Pineapple and without knowing what variety it is Spaugh thought it smelled like Coconut. The fruit I sampled could have used another day of ripening but it was still delicious. The flesh was firm and somewhat chalky and tasted very similar to Pineapple Pleasure. The fruit was very sweet but also had a good amount of acidity to balance out the sugars. I did not take a Brix reading on the first fruit but Iíll take a reading on the next Fruit. The acidic component had the flavor profile of a good Pineapple.

The seeds was relatively fat for the small fruit and it is Polyembryonic.


Hereís a few recent Mango grafts that are pushing. These scions are grafted onto random Mango seedlings that I purchased at a local nursery and they were not in the best of shape but I was desperate. Grafted are Pineapple Pleasure, Sweet Tart, Fruit Punch, M4, Peach Cobbler, Ugly Betty, Juicy Peach, Brahm Kai Mia, Mun Khun See, Providence and Ice Cream.
Ice Cream just starting to push on a rootstock with not a single leaf

One of each of these varieties will be planted at our orchard at Spaughís place


Iím looking to purchase Polyembryonic mango seeds for the following varieties
Brahm Kai Meu
Keow Savoy
Kook Lom Krong
PiŮa Colada
Mun Khun See
Lemon Meringue(PPK)
Orange Sherbet
Lemon Zest
Sweet Tart
Coconut Cream

Grafted trees in San Diego tend to flower too early and constantly so seedlings have been growing much better for me. If you have any seeds for the varieties listed above, please pm me with details including price. Thanks for your help,


Just wondering if the newer, tastier varieties of Australian finger limes are in SoCal yet? Does anyone know if the CCPP has them yet? Anybody grow seeds and get lucky with a good tasting variety? Any Nurseries selling the better varieties? Thanks


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Breeding Cherimoyas/Atemoyas?
« on: March 26, 2018, 01:21:30 AM »
Cherimoyas/Atemoyas are one of my favorite fruit with their extremely sweet and fragrant velvety white flesh that has the perfect balance of pineapple like acidity to balance out the high sugar content. When I first saw a Cherimoya, it looked very alien to me and I had no clue about the deliciousness that hid beneath the green alien skin. Thankfully, my first taste of Cherimoya was from my friend who offered me a fruit from a tree his dad grew in their backyard and it was an excellent variety. He told me to wait a few days to let it ripen, which I did, and after one taste I was hooked for life. This was about thirty years ago.

Iíve been growing Cherimoyas ever since and recently began thinking about trying my hand at breeding Cherimoyas, maybe crossing them with Atemoyas.

Cherimoyas are so friggin delicious but also crazy expensive. Iíve watched the price of Cherimoyas slowly climb each year and good quality fruit are now going for around $7-12 per pound with about $8-10 a pound being average in my area. One of the reasons Cherimoyas( Atemoyas to a lesser extent) are so expensive is because many of the varieties need hand pollination in order to set reliable and nicely shaped crops.

Recently, while pondering the possibility of crossing a Lemon Zest Mango with a DOT Mango, I thought to myself what a pain in the ass it is to cross Mangos. With huge bloom panicles on Mangos and with pollinating insects busily collecting nectar and thus potentially contaminating virgin female flowers, I would have to emasculate hermie flowers, remove male flowers and bag virgin females in order to procure my starting material. At that moment, I thought to myself, the disadvantage of requiring hand pollination with Cherimoyas can be an advantage when it comes to breeding Cherimoyas.

Several years ago, Leo Manuel offered me a fruit from a Cherimoya x Atemoya cross. He simply called it #3 and it was easily one of the best Cherimoya like fruit I have ever tasted. The Fruit had a very sweet Rasberry like acidity, very reminiscent of the acidity from a regular Cherimoya but you can taste the tiny bit of Atemoya in there as well. The best thing about Leoís Fruit was that he gets fruit without hand pollination.

Iíve grown Cherimoyas from random seeds before and one of my seedlings produced awesome fruit. Unlike many other types of fruit( besides clones/polyembryonic) Iíve heard from others that they also got great tasting fruit from seedlings. This leads me to believe that the major traits that we( us Fruit snobs) are looking for such as good size, sweet taste and good acid balance are concentrated in a narrow gene pool which may indicate that breeding Cherimoyas and Annona hybrids may be worth the effort.

I began a short search and immediately found this article that talks about mapping the genetic diversity of Cherimoyas

I also came upon this more interesting article regarding breeding strategies for Atemoyas and Cherimoyas which touches upon creating seedless fruit through utilization of polyploids to create seedless triploid, which I theorized in another thread, which was based on the process of creating seedless watermelons.

Anyways, to make a long story longer, I am seriously contemplating some future breeding projects to focus on creating an excellent tasting fruit with lower seed count, high sugar, high acid and most importantly self pollinating. Leo Manuel already created something to this extent but Iím not going to settle and Iím thinking about crossing Leoís hybrid #3 with Dr. white, Pierce, El Bumpo or Orton. Maybe all 3?

Anybody have any good articles, suggestions or reasons why I shouldnít do it? Thanks in advance for any comments.


Edited to correct tetraploid to triploid

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