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  "Furthermore, according to the Puyallup Research and Extension Center at Washington State University, gypsum negatively affects the mycorrhizae that enhance root health and development"

Any opinions?
here is the reference from Payallup, which has no reference.
https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/gypsum.pdf

I checked and found a reference, with peanuts which were drenched with gypsum at planting.
https://www.nrcresearchpress.com/doi/abs/10.1139/b85-232?journalCode=cjb1#.XkCLMTJKjb0

I also found a reference in which nitrogen fixing in a soil deficient in calcium was substantially enhanced with gypsum.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00213437

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All fruit contains calcium. If you expect fruit and your soil is deficient in calcium don't expect good fruiting, maybe not even good growth. My soil test showed 179 ppm calcium with optimal at 500-900, sulfur was 3ppm with optimal 20-40 so yes I used gypsum and why wouldn't I? It was free, from new drywall scraps.



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I can't really comment on your greenhouse experience but most Ambarella I see here in Florida and those I've seen in the Caribbean are not pretty, they are prone to skin defects as seen in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqAvNUgzyPU

They still ripen OK and many just suck the juicy flesh not really eating the skin. Many just use the green fruit in pickles, etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Digging up inground trees
« on: February 08, 2020, 08:14:23 AM »
Not exactly on topic but a friend recently offered me some free palms on land which was to be cleared. There are many palm growers here and I hired one of them to use his power shovel to do the digging. The machine uses a sharp narrow shovel powered by a weed-eater type engine which gives it a jackhammer style reciprocating action. It literally cuts through the tough palm roots like butter. After cutting I just wrapped a chain around the clump and pulled it right up with a front end loader with no problem. The machine is called a 'Dyna-Digger'. The main advantage besides the ease of work is that there is little to no root disturbance and the result is a very complete root ball.
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gov8x2AD4qo



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Genipa americana.
« on: February 06, 2020, 08:38:43 AM »
I should add that in habitat it enjoys alkaline soil even doing well on heavy high pH caliche soils.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grumichama new growth looks sickly.
« on: February 06, 2020, 08:32:40 AM »
The white spots look like evaporated irrigation water to me. This time of year in our area minerals become high in the water and when the water evaporates the mineral is left behind, I see this too. This is a tough time for the species which prefers rainfall and is intolerant of alkaline soil and water. Unfortunately the plant also seems to want to flower before our rainy season gets started. Like most acid-lovers it tends to have iron deficiencies which may be a limitation but there are foliar and drenches available. It looks like you had it tented for cold, maybe just cold damage of tender growth.
I have mine surrounded with other trees and some cassava waiting for warmer weather when I will reduce the cover but the site escaped most damaging cold this year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Genipa americana.
« on: February 04, 2020, 04:52:15 PM »
When I lived in the Caribbean this was an extremely common tree all over. I didn't know about the dioecious nature at the time but it was clear enough that many never bore fruit & I assume they were males. Even some females would become biannual bearers loading up heavy then taking time off. The heavy bearers would be severely beaten with sticks by folks getting fruit except by vendors who wanted whole clusters to sell, they would send climbers up to get huge quantities.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What am I looking at?
« on: February 03, 2020, 05:19:35 PM »
I figured it out and it's actually a beneficial insect.

https://palmbeachcountyextension.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/a-beneficial-insect-to-papaya/amp/
Yes, I've seen this before. The spittlebugs look somewhat similar and are harmful but yours are the wasps.
https://wimastergardener.org/article/spittlebugs/

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Florida soils are geologically lacking sufficient essential nutrients in the soil profile for some crops.Their for outside outside sources are required whether synthetic or organic. I'm all for improving soil ,but rhizosphere can't supply what's not in the geology of the soil if you believe other that's religion!
Some years ago I was looking at how the Amazon gets many minerals from Sahara dust and I know we see it too.
Otherwise, especially here along the coast, we do get a good dose of sea minerals which must be helping us without even trying. I notice that the Advancing Eco Agriculture folks do not use synthetic fertilizers yet produce and sell sea mineral kelp and crab/shrimp/fish products. Studies of Tampa Bay found that nearly 50% of the nitrogen entering the bay came from wet and dry atmospheric deposition, and ran into the thousands of tons nitrogen per year, some from natural sources some from manmade pollution, fires, lightning, ocean and dust. Interesting fact these constitute a hand-off foliar feed and then fall to our soils.

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My personal goal is to not use synthetic fertilizers but that doesn't mean fertilizers causes harm or prevents plants from having microbial or fungal relationships. Take soybeans for example there is scientific proof that even farms using ordinary fertilizers, herbicides and fungicides still see nitrogen fixation which can be measured.

In soybean the protein content of the seed is directly related to nitrogen, it takes "x" amount of nitrogen to make "x" amount of seed. It is possible to determine the amount of nitrogen in soil and the amount supplied by nodulation. As higher yielding soybean varieties have been bred they found that there is a limit to the capacity of nodulation and what is previously in the soil such that the "x" amount of seed the plant can produce cannot be met by either soil nitrogen or nodulation combined. here is the research:
https://www.pioneer.com/us/agronomy/nitrogen_fertilizer_soybean.html#TheChallengeofApplyingNFertilizertoSoybean_6

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: February 02, 2020, 07:22:41 AM »
What do you think of alfaalfa?
So far as I know alfalfa isn't adapted to tropical climates or the light soils and high water tables we get in south Florida.
It has been grown but more of an annual. We do, however have a huge variety of possible annual and perennial legumes of all statures including trees so there isn't a shortage of nitrogen fixers.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wurtz Avocado info?
« on: February 02, 2020, 07:10:14 AM »
I have a tree of Wurtz it is not extremely dwarf compared to others larger for instance than Mexicola but smaller than Choquette in zone 10/11. It actually was the last fruit out of all trees hanging at the end of the season and the last one came off last week. It was a good producer and when held on the tree long enough not at all watery. I do think the Wurtz  tree form and bearing habit is different in Florida climate compared to California. The difference is probably due to climate and bearing habit. In Florida it has a more open growth habit and I doubt you will ever find young fruit and mature fruit hanging at the same time as happens in California but they can hang on a very long time. The particular variety I am growing is identical to the one Fruitscapes has.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nitrogen Fixers
« on: February 01, 2020, 08:00:27 PM »
I once winter-sowed white dutch clover and rye grass intensively across a 2 acre garden plot. In spring I tilled raised garden beds leaving the clover in paths. It worked well but two disadvantages I found:
1. The clover was damned slippery and especially in spring when the dew was on it in the mornings.
2. It held dew/water underneath so long into the day it became very difficult to mow, the stems were very succulent so that the mower would clog up with wet clover and was so slippery the wheels of the riding mower would slip.

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I agree with you Orkine I pruned in August but left some branches unpruned they have flowered I'm hoping for a second bloom.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best P fertiliser
« on: January 28, 2020, 08:26:41 AM »
Lake Erie was in far worse condition almost dead in the 1950's and phosphorus reduction began to bring it back. then invasisve Zebra and Quagga mussels came into the system.
The original food web was:
sunlight → phytoplankton → zooplankton → fish
the change was towards:
sunlight → phytoplankton → dreissenids → fish
Previous dominant phytoplankton algae was nitrogen fixing but has moved towards blooms of mycrocystis which doesn't fix nitrogen.
The molluscs filter water increasing light for photosynthesis and also graze hard surfaces opening up attachment points for filamentous mussels. However, the molluscs also excrete both nitrogen and phosphorus introducting new complexities into the system.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about planting in sandy soil
« on: January 28, 2020, 07:30:16 AM »
Would growing sweet potatoes before I plant the trees help build up the soil? As well as adding other amendments such as worm castings, biochar, azemite, and mulch. Thanks!
Sweet potatoes will grow on fairly poor soil and like sand but don't really build up soil, and removing the harvest removes nutrients from the soil. They do make a good ground cover but I had some potatoes form around the roots of newly planted fruit trees and had to dig deep into the root ball to get them out.
One easy thing you could plant under new trees are ordinary raw peanuts, not to eat because you have to dig them out but just as a ground cover they like sandy soil and they should generate some nitrogen. I've had some last a year plus. Plant a shelled peeanut every six inches and cover with some mulch they can push through very easily.

Yeah I was in between sweet potatoes and perennial peanut. I think the peanut is more beneficial.
I was mentioning raw eating type peanuts you can get at the grocery store but perennial peanut is good too.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about planting in sandy soil
« on: January 27, 2020, 07:57:00 PM »
Would growing sweet potatoes before I plant the trees help build up the soil? As well as adding other amendments such as worm castings, biochar, azemite, and mulch. Thanks!
Sweet potatoes will grow on fairly poor soil and like sand but don't really build up soil, and removing the harvest removes nutrients from the soil. They do make a good ground cover but I had some potatoes form around the roots of newly planted fruit trees and had to dig deep into the root ball to get them out.
One easy thing you could plant under new trees are ordinary raw peanuts, not to eat because you have to dig them out but just as a ground cover they like sandy soil and they should generate some nitrogen. I've had some last a year plus. Plant a shelled peeanut every six inches and cover with some mulch they can push through very easily.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ladybugs wanted
« on: January 26, 2020, 07:15:50 PM »
You are on a residential lot and without a good population base with prey and habitat the things that work against mites won't flourish. Spider mites love the dry weather but are vulnerable to water and enjoy plants under stress. Banana can grow out of anything if they are happy fed and watered. Beyond the neem you should try a regular hard jet water spray on the leaves, maybe every day for a week and you'll probably cut their populations down. Using water won't hurt anything that might help you, it weakens the mites and will kill them with less effort than mixing & pumping a spray. New ones hatch every week so spraying weekly will help.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 25, 2020, 08:07:00 AM »
This fish could have saved the Great Barrier Reef wich in turn could have saved the whole planet from global warming.
Because stony corals skeleton are a carbon sink ( calcium carbonate).
A dead GBR its like having a dead Amazon forest and it died because of human ignorance not even for profit or to benefit the civilisation.

The premise that the Great Barrier reef is dead is wrong.
2017 explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcjaQYcsr-w

3 months ago, from Australian Broadcasting News in-depth:
Quote
"Bottom line is the reef is not dying, there are some parts of the reef which are degraded but there are other parts which are absolutely magnificent"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqqs7kxHbw0

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 24, 2020, 05:34:20 PM »
For those of us in Florida for an education in historical terms you need to be aware that our current ecosystem is less than 10,000 years old, more like less than 5,000. During and after the last ice age our land was a barren desert of sand dunes with no surface water, no Everglades or Okeechobee, and nearly twice as wide as oceans had receded. This important book explains how the present evolved and how humans came to exist as the change from Sahara to present ecosystem happened.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Evolution_of_Calusa/doMp9LtdZiAC?hl=en&gbpv=1

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about planting in sandy soil
« on: January 24, 2020, 08:59:45 AM »
If you have rock it needs special treatment but since this is a house lot you may have some unusual fill dirt maybe even fill rock. Some places add fill which is special stuff which compacts for a stable foundation and may include some clay. I am building and they use this under the foundation plus compacted it with a 19 ton vibrating 'steam roller' which packed it very tight. You need to get a post hole digger and go down about 2 feet to actually see your soil profile. You might ask around folks who were there when houses were built and check who has had success to emulate what they did. Just because one tree died doesn't mean it was a soil problem, could have been aftercare or even drainage issues.
On a house lot a mixture of uncut grasses and weeds may not be easy to achieve.

Organics are great and I use them plus a diversity of companion pants and legumes but I highly recommend starting with a full slow release total fertilizer with micronutrients. The one I use is called Nutricote Total.
I put a double handful directly in the hole before planting. DO NOT do this with ordinary fertilizer. However, this one is 100% slow release and lasts through the rainy season for six months. I think the benefit is that the fertilizer is directly under the roots and slowly released with no chance of washout or burning. I have planted seeds directly on top of a spoonful of this fert, it does not burn. It is very popular with the nursery trade. I do not see permanent harm using synthetic fertilizer and have observed good soil microbiology and legume nodulation on soil which has had this fertilizer added.Best of all I have never had any nutrient deficiency symptoms

https://www.arysta-na.com/Nutricote/files/NUT_18-6-8_PIS.pdf


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Low Temperatures
« on: January 23, 2020, 05:37:47 PM »
Breadfruit that's pushing the zone.The only 40+ temp I seen in sw florida on wunder map was useppa island.I think to farm their you have to have at least 8 digits.Chempedaks and artocarpus lanceifolius look good so far, Quararibea cordata looks some bothered had alot of new growth,cacao new growth looks very good.Old soursop looks to loose 99% leaves.Red prawn look good.
Checked again today no leaf damage at all to the breadfruit.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 23, 2020, 05:05:14 PM »
Oh god, I thought they would eat just insects.
They are herbivores.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Iguana removal opportunity with the cold
« on: January 23, 2020, 08:38:10 AM »
Yes they were stunned. News report from yesterday morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzdmPj_jF2s

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Low Temperatures
« on: January 23, 2020, 08:29:16 AM »
38 bokeelia  that used to be a every year temp.my 30 foot+ rollinia did not care for that wind.Well I can see the fruit now!
Interesting I am just a mile or so north and didn't get a temp reading but the wind may have helped. I don't see signs of leaf damage defoliation on breadfruit will check again today.

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