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The skin color and really the shape should have given it away.  Sophie is more a yellow color and Julie here is greenish, maybe with a hint of green gold, and usually a rediish/pinkish blush.  Hard to describe but Julie should be more boxy (not "smoothed" corners) in shape.  Sonetimes a hint if coconut can be found in Julie but its not a given.

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You can likely find owari satsuma at home depot, walmart, lowes.  It is very common

Not in Florida, and Florida citrus growers do not typically use FD.

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Yep, my tree is a Maha. It managed get 1 fruit. The fruit is beautiful elongated with red/pink shade. The taste is only sweet, not on par with my lemon zest. Maybe, it's the first fruit season. I'll give it another chance.

A Maha will NEVER compare in terms of taste quality and complexity to a LZ.  Just two totally different varieties.

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Can we ban bsbullie?

Can we ban you?

Have you ever grown pitangatuba?  Seen ripe fruit?  Know its texture and fragility of it when ripe?  Jyst how would it lend itself to a commercial market (I am not even going to discuss the masses do not support fruit if this tartness)?  Do you even know what you are talking about or just spewing garbage?

Comparing it mango is ludicrous.

If you want to go at it, just be prepared. .

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question About Tree Paint
« on: July 16, 2021, 04:58:17 PM »
Guess you missed the fact that you shouldn't remove more than 1/3 of the growth at any one trimming?   :o ::) :P

Sorry, can't answer your question about growing and paint.  Maybe dont paint where you want the growth to occur.   Also keep in mind, paint should only really be applied where direct sun exposure would be an issue

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does this look like MBBS on my fruit?
« on: July 16, 2021, 10:52:32 AM »
I've done it for the last 3 seasons, maybe it's not textbook ripening, but it definitely evolves towards a more edible/enjoyable fruit. It's like bananas. In fact, don't we refer to bananas "ripening" as the sit on the counter and go from the green, tongue-coating starchy experience to the yellow, sweet and soft fruit we prefer to eat? Then, they become "over-ripe" once they start going black and mushy (which, I actually prefer, up to a certain point). If I cut that Sweet Tart up now and eat it, it'll be all sour, chalk & starch. Given time, those starches breakdown/convert to sugars and the texture softens to become much more enjoyable.  I bet in a week or two, I'll enjoy eating this fruit.

I don't enjoy a wealth of quality mangoes in my area, gotta make do.

There is a difference between a fruit ripening as picked compared to a fruit that has been cut open and then expecting it to ripen.

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Where did you get these from if you don't mind me asking.
Reason being is that there has been plenty of this discussion on the forum about Indian varieties not being mislabel.
Some times even the labeled stuff people bring be from Indian might be a region specific version of something like that. (I'm looking at you himsagar)

Comparing it to fruit online might not be the best thing.
It's possible they might look a bit different in this climate

Mangoscope seems to specialize in Indian mangos so I'd take his/her word on it.

The guy everyone most everyone doesn't trust in Florida. I'm fully aware about the accusations. I talked to him many times on the phone. I've seen his mother trees. BTW, he no longer sells the Bangapoli because his mother tree died. He told me he does purchase from Zill to sell other varieties besides his own. It's good to question things, but better proof is needed instead of just conjecture. Maybe someone else here actually purchase his trees. Wait 2 years like I did to watch it fruit. BTW, even in the worst case scenario that I was scammed like the rest. This fruit to me tasted better than Sugarloaf and Coconut Cream. A good scam.  ;D

So you have talked to him on the phone and seen his trees...and???

When the show doesn't fit, then what?  When your fruit doesnt match what you supposedly bought, sounds like a scam and whats worse, you are defending it because he sold you on it. 

What gets me is when people come on here, acting like experts, and ask for advise, then bash people cause thy dont like the responses they get.  Have fun with your trees.  Good thing you enjoy the fruit.

Oh, and who cares if he did/does buy from ZHPP, the trees in question have nothing to do with them.

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Alex  (squam256), Satya,  Har and many others on this great forum have quite an extensive knowledge of Indian Mangoes. I’m
Just bumping it so they might see and potentially recognize.

I know next to nothing but to me it looks the shape of “Bombay” even though I understand there is no blush and  that’s actually a Jamaican mango, and like I said I know almost nothing, but I’ve heard experts say that mangos don’t always blush if grown in interior locations or maybe in the shade.

Good luck

Bombay are more round than what the fruit in tbe picture appears to be.  They also are not that yellow of a color.

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If no further South than WPB, check Tropical Acres for mangoes and Trees-N-More for trees (he may have fruit, too).

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Where did you get these from if you don't mind me asking.
Reason being is that there has been plenty of this discussion on the forum about Indian varieties not being mislabel.
Some times even the labeled stuff people bring be from Indian might be a region specific version of something like that. (I'm looking at you himsagar)

Comparing it to fruit online might not be the best thing.
It's possible they might look a bit different in this climate

Mangoscope seems to specialize in Indian mangos so I'd take his/her word on it.

I would go further and question who is propagated them as those are not commonly found varieties in Florida and not propagated by the "usual suspects."

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I have seen seedlings from Noel's Big Red be slightly different from the original.

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Not all do...for instance, Kampong Mauve must be grafted.

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For the Satsuma, I would post in the citrus section but you will have a tough time getting a citrus tree unto Florida and shipped out of Florida due to out State's laws (I dont know of any Florida citrus grower propagating Owari and almost definitely not on Flying Dragon).

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What makes you so sure its an Indian variety?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cecilove
« on: July 14, 2021, 05:43:45 PM »
I hope you fellows are right about this one. Because I've grafted and planted but have not tasted.




Cecilove is crap.  Definitely do NOT eat those fruit.  I will take one for the team and dispose of them for you.  Please just drop them off to me on your way home.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does this look like MBBS on my fruit?
« on: July 14, 2021, 05:40:08 PM »
I went ahead and took the fruit off the tree. I cut the damaged area off the fruit, the blackness went down into the flesh, nearly to the seed. The flesh is very fragrant and starting to color up; I placed a paper towel over the exposed flesh and put it in with some bananas in a fruit bowl.

I've found cutting damaged areas off unripe fruit and then covering the exposed flesh with a paper towel is a good way to halt any rotting and give the fruit time to ripen (don't use plastic/saran wrap, it can't breath and will ferment). I had a really unripe mango two months ago that I did this trick on, it held for many weeks with out going bad; when I decided it was as ripe as it was going to get, the exposed flesh that was covered by the paper towel had developed something like a skin when the towel had been. Mango band-aids  ;D

Once the fruit cut open, it doesn't really ripen.  It will get soft but will not develop further.

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The varieties I've tried so far are Kesar, Alphonse, and Banganpalli. They all tasted different.
My preference is in the order listed, but there is a big gap between the last two.

I find that people who like the pine resiny flavor of the double IPAs that Stone puts out really like the Banganpalli. I find that the more fruity/less overpowering IPAs that Alpine puts out are usually more popular however, and those who like the other two usually drink those beers. Those who don't like IPAs don't usually go for the Indian mangoes, they may prefer the Manila-types.

You should also add the Indian category that is resin free which is headlined by Mallika.

I prefer Son Pari to the three you mention above.  I also like Jehangir (which shares similarities to IP) which seems to produce a better quality fruit in California than Florida.

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I still have loads of Sweet Tarts and Lemon Zest and some Lemon Meringue and plenty Orange Sherbets. Loads of Cotton Candy. Hatcher’s and Valencia Orides and Venus and a few M-4’s loads of Keitt and just 1 Kathy and a partridge in a pear tree!
I am most pleased with the timing of my O Sherbet’s picking time which is this Friday July 16 and I believe that the readiness of Sweet Tart to be picked the last 3 weeks and probably another 2 weeks is an amazing length of time for a variety to have a window of picking and that’s probably why ST’s get so many splits besides from all the rain. Sweet Tarts literally tell you when to pick them. I love the way Lemon Zest tells you when to pick it and how it’s colors tell you when to cut them open at the exact time. I love that Lemon Meringues are still green on the trees on July 13th. I don’t like that Cotton Candies in the shade towards the end when they are sweetened up get anthracnose skin but the ones in the sun keep the cotton Candy look. I hate how hard it is to know the perfect time to cut into a pineapple Pleasure. I now think it’s got to be opened when it’s more green than yellow. And still have a handful of Venus left. Also going to significantly boost my numbers of Orange Sherbet and Kathy trees by topping many trees and converting them. After this season I don’t see the need to have 5 trees of a variety so I’m going convert most of the trees that I only have 1 to 5 of unless they taste really special to me and my wife like Juicy Peach.  Eg Hatcher Harvest Moon Coconut Cream Spirit of 76 Duncan these will be converted plus more like Phoenix Seacrest Van Dyke and more.

I call the partridge in the pear tree

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marlys Mango
« on: July 13, 2021, 08:07:02 PM »
I assume you found this during your search.

https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/marlys

It does not tell you when it is ripe to pick but it says a few things about the tree (for Florida)

In Florida, I have seen it ripen in July, August and if I recall, into early September on occasion.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Marlys Mango
« on: July 13, 2021, 06:27:40 PM »
First comment that many wont like, tree is probably rmtoo small to be holding the fruit.

As to the fruit itself, also known as All Sumner, it is in the classic flavor group and average at very best.  It should shed that haze and the colors should brighten up before picking (colors are similar to a Haden).

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It varies from year to year.  Therevare alao multiple factors that can have an effect on crop size and timing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal LZ and NDM update 2021
« on: July 13, 2021, 12:57:49 AM »
Pic of alampur baneshan.
It's hard to tell from the single pic, but if it has thin and smooth long node-space with the characteristic flower stalk, and dark purple new leaves as in this video, then I think it's Ima Pasand and not AB. But then I have yet found a pic or video of a true Alampur Baneshan tree to compare the branch and leaves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2eNPTYwxZY

Being that tree, in the picture above,  has a ZHPP tag, its probably IP.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does this look like MBBS on my fruit?
« on: July 12, 2021, 10:05:41 PM »
Reading this UF research paper (https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/hs1369) gives me a little hope it's not MBBS, since the original damage started out fairly large and circular. Once it dries off a bit outside, I'm going out with a magnifying glass to see it clearer.

In the article it states that leaves effected by MBBS develop a greasy appearance on their undersides. I've been noticing that all season on leaves for a few (smaller) trees, so that's not good. I did some reading on mango diseases that cause the leaves to have that greasy appearance, and it sounds like this problem could also be caused by Powdery Mildew. PM was a real problem earlier in the season, destroyed 90% of my panicles. I'm thinking/hoping what I'm seeing is a continuation of the PM problem.

I hate to say this and bad mouth UF but better to listen to Alex on this one.  There are different strains of MBBS, one affects the foliage and one the fruit (you can have either or both at the same time).

Here is a LZ with similar damage.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does this look like MBBS on my fruit?
« on: July 12, 2021, 10:05:14 AM »
Reading this UF research paper (https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/hs1369) gives me a little hope it's not MBBS, since the original damage started out fairly large and circular. Once it dries off a bit outside, I'm going out with a magnifying glass to see it clearer.

In the article it states that leaves effected by MBBS develop a greasy appearance on their undersides. I've been noticing that all season on leaves for a few (smaller) trees, so that's not good. I did some reading on mango diseases that cause the leaves to have that greasy appearance, and it sounds like this problem could also be caused by Powdery Mildew. PM was a real problem earlier in the season, destroyed 90% of my panicles. I'm thinking/hoping what I'm seeing is a continuation of the PM problem.

I hate to say this and bad mouth UF but better to listen to Alex on this one.  There are different strains of MBBS, one affects the foliage and one the fruit (you can have either or both at the same time).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are these Ross sapote?
« on: July 11, 2021, 03:37:47 PM »
The Ross I tried taste just like canistel too.  Could barely tell any difference.

They do taste very similar to any other canistel with a slight nuances to make it different.   They are also overall more moist in texture.

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