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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pinkish guava seeds for sale
« Last post by fanshiliu on April 18, 2024, 10:08:45 PM »
From what I recall, the Carmine can be divided into four varieties: Palace Pink, Full Red, Born Red, and Big Leaf Red; with palace pink and full red being the best.

not  “four varieties”,It's five series.

宫粉红 gong fen hong --Palace Pink
全红 quan hong --Full Red
出世红chu shi hong --Born Red
大叶红da ye hong --Big Leaf Red
七月红qi yue hong --July Red

七月红是最多人种植的一个系列( July Reds are one of the most widely grown series.)

“宫粉红”and “全红”不是最好吃的吗?为什么大家喜欢种植七月红呢?

宫粉红只是一个传说中的品种,是否真实存在都未可知,以前果农之中是没有“宫粉红”这个叫法的 。全红个子小、不易坐果,优点是水分足。
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fanshiliu, thank you for posting these photos of the Carmine guava. If you can translate in English any of your comments that would be nice.

I have not seen these Carmine guava photos so your pictures are appreciated, thanks.

I think there were a few other TFF members that mention this to me as well. It sure does look very similar to the guava fruit you posted, I'm excited to see this.

The person who has this large tree (height about 17 feet) told me his relative brought the tree from Taiwan. He has 2 trees, his tree and one more at another house.

So far, for me this guava is my favorite of all of the ones I have eaten. Still did not taste the frutis from JF (Frank) pnk/red flesh guava called Delores and Jalisco. My grafted branches of this one is still growing slow and may not get a fruit on it for another year. If anyone else (besides Brad) is growing Frank's guava, please post some photos of it here so I can see what it looks like. I surprised that not many if anyone else has Frank's guava fruiting yet.

抱歉,我以为你是华人,以为你能看得懂中文。Sorry, I thought you were Chinese and thought you could read Chinese.

胭脂红是广东的品种,台湾应该没有,但是也不排除有人从广东把种苗带到台湾去了。Carmine is a Guangdong variety and should not be found in Taiwan, but we can't rule out that someone brought seedlings from Guangdong to Taiwan.

我发的这些图片是别人上传的,我也只是一个刚入门的爱好者。 These pictures I'm posting were uploaded by someone else, and I'm just a hobbyist just getting started.

fanshiliu——就是中文里番石榴的意思  “Fanshiliu”  it means guava in Chinese.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« Last post by brian on April 18, 2024, 09:56:39 PM »
Too late, it's cut.  The roots do look sparse, I'm not sure if it'll survive.  I cut half the leaves off to try to balance it out, as you suggest.  It is now in a container in the greenhouse in half shade.

Think it has a chance to survive?

If not, it isn't a huge deal.  I expect the parent will survive the coming mid-30F lows and if so I have six months or so to try again.  And I have an Inga Spectabilis seedling growing meanwhile.





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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: marcotting vs rooting question
« Last post by Finca La Isla on April 18, 2024, 09:50:29 PM »
The medium needs to be kept very wet when establishing layers in pots.
Peter
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you bury passionflower trunk?
« Last post by xesoteryc on April 18, 2024, 09:48:41 PM »
Dont. You will kill the plant like I did with my first vine, on top of not having good enough drainage.
I guess I can try to ease the plants out of the containers and add soil to the bottom or up-pot. Maybe add mulch for the plants that I want to wait until the end of the 2024 season to do that for (mulch should let enough air in not to harm the trunk while keeping the moisture closer to the surface of the soil, encourage roots to make use of the near-surface).

Why would drainage be an issue though?


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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pinkish guava seeds for sale
« Last post by pinkturtle on April 18, 2024, 09:42:45 PM »
From what I recall, the Carmine can be divided into four varieties: Palace Pink, Full Red, Born Red, and Big Leaf Red; with palace pink and full red being the best.

not  “four varieties”,It's five series.

宫粉红 gong fen hong --Palace Pink
全红 quan hong --Full Red
出世红chu shi hong --Born Red
大叶红da ye hong --Big Leaf Red
七月红qi yue hong --July Red

七月红是最多人种植的一个系列( July Reds are one of the most widely grown series.)

“宫粉红”and “全红”不是最好吃的吗?为什么大家喜欢种植七月红呢?
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pinkish guava seeds for sale
« Last post by fanshiliu on April 18, 2024, 09:34:44 PM »
From what I recall, the Carmine can be divided into four varieties: Palace Pink, Full Red, Born Red, and Big Leaf Red; with palace pink and full red being the best.

not  “four varieties”,It's five series.

宫粉红 gong fen hong --Palace Pink
全红 quan hong --Full Red
出世红chu shi hong --Born Red
大叶红da ye hong --Big Leaf Red
七月红qi yue hong --July Red

七月红是最多人种植的一个系列( July Reds are one of the most widely grown series.)
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pinkish guava seeds for sale
« Last post by fanshiliu on April 18, 2024, 09:29:41 PM »
What is the difference between the Four Season Red and Carmine?

Is it because Four Season Red has fruits all four season of the year?

I think the Sylvia guava I found is more similar to the Four Season than the Carmine. Can you tell me the weight of the largest Four Season fruits?

The largest Sylvia guava (if you saw my posts) is 243 grams, which is larger than any Carmine photos I have seen.


——我是用翻译工具翻译的,可能会有些许的词不达意。I used a translation tool to translate this, and it may be a little wordy.


四季红是近些年新培育的多季品种(中文喜欢使用虚数,“四季”有时候是用来指代“多季”,如果一款水果能够多季结果,那它就可以被称之为“四季”,命名者应该也是想表达它的多季属性吧。),四季红 不是传统的胭脂红 ,传统胭脂红是红色表皮+白色果肉的,表皮有时候可能会因为季节原因上色不好,但是果肉是一直不变的白色。而四季红,夏季是白色果肉,秋季冬季是红色的果肉,也就是说它会变色。只不过四季红表皮看起来跟胭脂红很像,所以有商家会拿来冒充胭脂红欺骗新人。四季红冬季的口感最好,春季不好吃。Four Seasons Red is a new multi-season variety in recent years (Chinese likes to use imaginary numbers, and "four seasons" is sometimes used to refer to "multiple seasons", so if a fruit can bear fruits in multiple seasons, it can be called "four seasons"), and the namer should also want to express the fact that it is a multi-season variety. If a fruit can produce fruit in many seasons, then it can be called "Four Seasons", which is supposed to express its multi-seasonal attribute by the namer.) The Four Seasons Red is not a traditional cochineal, which has a red skin and white flesh. The skin may not be well coloured due to the season, but the flesh is always white. On the other hand, the Four Seasons Red has white flesh in summer and red flesh in autumn and winter, which means that it changes colour. However, the skin of the Four Seasons Red looks similar to that of the Carmine Red, which is why some merchants try to pass it off as Carmine Red to deceive newcomers. Sylvia has the best flavour in winter, but not in spring.

你的“Sylvia guava”如果果肉也会变色的话也有可能是四季红(你知道的,番石榴的果型并不是一成不变的,即便果型有些许差异也有可能是同一个品种。)Your "Sylvia guava" could also be a Four Seasons Red if the flesh changes colour (as you know, the shape of the guava fruit is not constant, and even if the shape varies slightly, it could be the same variety).

四季红大果最重可以到400g+,将近500g   (450~500g)。但是大果口感不如小果。Large fruits of Four Seasons Red can weigh up to 400g+, almost 500g (450-500g). However, the taste of large fruits is not as good as that of small fruits.

胭脂红也分大果品种和小果品种,像我发表的早熟红(zao shu hong),有人种出来300g+的大果,早熟红的糖度(sugar content?)也高,大概有17度.Carmine is also divided into large-fruited varieties and small-fruited varieties, such as the early red (zao shu hong), I published, some people planted out 300g + large fruits, early red sugar content is also high, about 17 degrees.



P1 P2 早熟红 zaoshuhong
P3四季红(sijihong)  Four Season Red - summer
P4四季红(sijihong)  Four Season Red - winter










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My understanding is that while Helicostylis sp. is actually potentially psychoactive/medicinal in some way (but also may not be, hard to find solid info) with a tasty fruit, takini is actually Brosimum acutifolium Huber subsp. acutifolium.  They're both Moraceae however Helicostylis is within tribe Castilleae while Brosimum is tribe Dorstenieae, they are related trees but I don't believe Helicostylis pendunculata is takini. So either ID is wrong and you have Brosimum or (more likely) you have Helicostylis which is not--but still a very interesting and worthwhile tree. See paper "Identification of 5-hydroxy-tryptamine (bufotenine) in takini (Brosimum acutifolium Huber subsp. acutifolium C.C. Berg, Moraceae), a shamanic potion used in the Guiana Plateau" which discusses this issue briefly, let me quote it:





I can supply the article if you want the full thing.  This appears to be a result of past misidentifications of what tree takini was, apparently in one instance due to natives deliberately misleading researchers because they wanted to protect the tree.

I am, however, interested in purchasing these and other seeds from you once I get a small seed permit (I've been very interested in helicostylis species as well), but if you can locate the seeds for the actual Brosimum acutifolium Huber subsp. acutifolium I would also be very interested for my collection of curiosities.  That has been a white whale for me.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you bury passionflower trunk?
« Last post by vnomonee on April 18, 2024, 08:33:41 PM »
the older trunks are susceptible to fungus. are you able to lift the plant out of the pot? if the roots are substantial the whole plant root system should pop out with the soil. then you can add soil to the pot. i have a short video of what the root system looks like on a 3 gallon plant https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LeF0tpc2Vbw notice the entire rootball came out with barely any soil visible
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