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Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« on: January 02, 2014, 06:15:39 AM »

Ok, so I'm a Garcinia guy. Yet to meet one I don't like.

What's the closest thing I can grow in the subtropics to purple mangosteen, taste-wise?
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2014, 08:20:23 AM »
Could it be Garcinia intermedia (lemon drop)? Looks like it fruits in high elevations. Also somebody is fruiting this in South Florida if I remember correctly where mangosteen can't really grow unprotected.
I tasted this one few weeks ago straight from the tree. My first reaction: wow, almost like mangosteen (with distinctive lemon flavor).  Another advantage tree is small, and prolific producer.

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2014, 08:29:05 AM »
How about Garcinia Limoncillo (Luc's Limoncillo)?  :)
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2014, 09:37:13 AM »
Hi starling

I can't speak from experience but was once told by a gentleman that g. forbesii is very nice - his exact words "nicer than mangosteen". 

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2014, 09:49:33 AM »
I've tasted a number of garcinias, including intermedia.  I haven't had Luc's garcinia.  I also haven't had what the Austrailians are calling Achacha.  But, I have had what was called Achachairu in Puerto Rico. Not sure about how the Puerto Rican Achachairu is is the same/different from the Australian Achacha or Luc's garcinia. For me, what they were calling Achachairu in Puerto Rico was the closest in overall eating experience to mangosteen. 
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2014, 11:22:02 AM »
How about Garcinia Limoncillo (Luc's Limoncillo)?  :)

I hear Luc's Limoncillo (garcinia vleerackerii) is one of the hardiest garcinias, and should grow well in a subtropical climate, if you posted what zone you were in that would certainly help.

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2014, 11:57:05 AM »
Luc's Mexican Garcinia is very sweet with a slight lemony flavor , WHEN VERY RIPE !!!!! Even the skin can be eaten . Here it can stand temperatures close to freezing . At my elevation ( 300 meters ) the temperature at night during the winternights goes down to 7 Celsius . Higher up it is even colder and the wild trees are doing very well .
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 01:13:04 PM »
I haven't tasted any of these but like others have mentioned, Lucs Garcinia and Achachairu are compared to purple mangosteen very often, I believe Luc may have said he prefers it over the purple mangosteen.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 02:43:57 PM »
No other garcinia i've tasted really tastes like mangosteen. But the closest in terms of good taste quality that will do well in sub tropical climate are achacha and Luc's mystery garcinia.
Harry, the achachairu from PR is same as achacha from Australia.
I've eaten lots of achachairu, but have yet to taste Luc's garcinia. I trust Luc, and also another friend that got to taste it, that the garcinia from Mexico is bigger and better quality than the achachairu. I think it's good to plant both if possible as who is to know which one of the 2 will fruit better in your location and soil?
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 03:07:00 PM »
I think it's good to plant both if possible as who is to know which one of the 2 will fruit better in your location and soil?

Done already.  Thanks for the confirming flavor analysis.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 03:12:24 PM »
I think it's good to plant both if possible as who is to know which one of the 2 will fruit better in your location and soil?

Done already.  Thanks for the confirming flavor analysis.

They might, or probably have, different fruiting times, so with both you will get longer fruiting season, another bonus. As usual for us plant fanatics: the more plants the merrier!  ;)
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 03:45:51 PM »

Thanks for all the replies guys. I have one achacha which is about 1m high (37 C today and 40c tomorrow, I hope it survives) G. Forbessi, and two seedlings of Luc's Garcinia.I don't have the lemon drop mangosteen, I'll have to try and get one. Pretty sure there is a guy on ebay Aus who sells them.

Luc if you are confused by this, I recently traded some fig cuttings for some of yours here in Aus. I still have to send that package to you, there will be some alstonville fingerlime seeds in there as well now  8)

Those Davidson plum seeds have already germinated in the bag, but I'm assured that they will be fine in transit using express international post.

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2014, 05:55:43 PM »
I haven't tasted any of these but like others have mentioned, Lucs Garcinia and Achachairu are compared to purple mangosteen very often, I believe Luc may have said he prefers it over the purple mangosteen.
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No Simon , I never said that , the purple mangosteen is and stays the queen of fruits , or the King of the Garcinias . I have 4 mangosteen in the ground and I must say they are very easy plants , never a problem , they handle my low winter-temperatures very well .
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2014, 06:46:08 PM »
I haven't tasted any of these but like others have mentioned, Lucs Garcinia and Achachairu are compared to purple mangosteen very often, I believe Luc may have said he prefers it over the purple mangosteen.
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No Simon , I never said that , the purple mangosteen is and stays the queen of fruits , or the King of the Garcinias . I have 4 mangosteen in the ground and I must say they are very easy plants , never a problem , they handle my low winter-temperatures very well .

I'm yet to encounter anything as good as purple mangosteen. It's a perfect 10 fruit, for me. Luckily they pop up occasionally in local fruit markets, but they don't come cheap.

I'm going to try growing one again here in the subtropics, I managed to get a seedling going but it died.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2014, 08:47:35 PM »
starling - I think some people are of the opinion the "madrono" (currently in production at Daleys) is the popular lemon drop mangosteen. 
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2014, 10:51:34 PM »
If Daleys want more of my money, they are going to have to do some fence mending. The last three trees I've received from them have been of shocking quality. Not a nice way to repay somebody who gave them around 1k for the 2013 period.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2014, 05:19:42 AM »
I can confirm that Garcinia vleerackerii and Garcinia intermedia seedlings, survived our hot summer (up to 45c) in shade. I guess there might be a hope for me to grow these little beauties.  ;D

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2014, 04:59:56 PM »
I can confirm that Garcinia vleerackerii and Garcinia intermedia seedlings, survived our hot summer (up to 45c) in shade. I guess there might be a hope for me to grow these little beauties.  ;D

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Am I correct in suspecting you experience low humidity, as well as high summer  temperatures? My plants struggle this time of year with dry, dessicating winds. My garcinias are all in the greenhouse for the time being, but they will outgrow that space eventually.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2014, 07:19:58 PM »
I haven't tasted any of these but like others have mentioned, Lucs Garcinia and Achachairu are compared to purple mangosteen very often, I believe Luc may have said he prefers it over the purple mangosteen.
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No Simon , I never said that , the purple mangosteen is and stays the queen of fruits , or the King of the Garcinias . I have 4 mangosteen in the ground and I must say they are very easy plants , never a problem , they handle my low winter-temperatures very well .

I apologize for the misquote Luc, thanks for the clarification. My memory is not so good anymore. I still can't wait to try a fruit from the Lucs Garcinia. Cheers,
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2014, 08:01:12 PM »
Garcinia magnifolia is a real nice fruit that I tried in Puerto Rico and I highly recommend it. It's much larger than Achachairu.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 08:14:18 PM »
Garcinia magnifolia is a real nice fruit that I tried in Puerto Rico and I highly recommend it. It's much larger than Achachairu.

Larger fruit, but scant flesh is the killer for magnifolia for me, anyway.  What's there tastes decent, but not enough flesh to hold my attention.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2014, 09:53:17 AM »
what about brasiliensis? I've been told that they are very nice when fully ripe.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2014, 12:33:16 PM »
what about brasiliensis? I've been told that they are very nice when fully ripe.

Yes they are very nice Kimi , the other nice thing about the G. brasiliensis is that they fruit several times a year , they are kinda small but the enormous quantity of fruit makes up for the small size ( 3 cm )
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2014, 11:07:55 AM »
Thanks to you Luc, I now have five little seedlings.   :D
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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2014, 03:56:44 PM »
I can confirm that Garcinia vleerackerii and Garcinia intermedia seedlings, survived our hot summer (up to 45c) in shade. I guess there might be a hope for me to grow these little beauties.  ;D

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Mohd,

Am I correct in suspecting you experience low humidity, as well as high summer  temperatures? My plants struggle this time of year with dry, dessicating winds. My garcinias are all in the greenhouse for the time being, but they will outgrow that space eventually.

Sorry for my late response.

Yes you are correct but,I live a few kilometers away from the seashore so, the humidity in the summer is usually between 60% to 80%. The weather in here is similar to some parts of California but without the frost.

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2014, 06:07:12 PM »
The other one to look out for is the Russell's Sweet that Mike has posted about. There is a grafted young tree on the south side of town I know of, but its a loner and possibly wont fruit without a pollinator, unless one of the the other 10 or so Garcinia spp in the same garden will pollinate it. The bumpy madruno is supposed to be among the best, and the smallish brasiliensis is well worth growing in a part shade spot as it fruits early and lots to make up for the small size of fruit. I have a large one in a pot which is root bound, but still produces quite well through the warmer months, but the sun knocks back fruit production during really hot patches (like now). Most of the ex-Rheedias are pretty tough if given a bit of shade. The SE Asian Garcinias are generally a lot more fussy and need the right water and humidity year round and truly hate the intensity of the sun here when 0 cloud cover can kill a 6ft parvifolia or mangostana in half a day.

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2014, 06:45:52 PM »
The other one to look out for is the Russell's Sweet that Mike has posted about. There is a grafted young tree on the south side of town I know of, but its a loner and possibly wont fruit without a pollinator, unless one of the the other 10 or so Garcinia spp in the same garden will pollinate it. The bumpy madruno is supposed to be among the best, and the smallish brasiliensis is well worth growing in a part shade spot as it fruits early and lots to make up for the small size of fruit. I have a large one in a pot which is root bound, but still produces quite well through the warmer months, but the sun knocks back fruit production during really hot patches (like now). Most of the ex-Rheedias are pretty tough if given a bit of shade. The SE Asian Garcinias are generally a lot more fussy and need the right water and humidity year round and truly hate the intensity of the sun here when 0 cloud cover can kill a 6ft parvifolia or mangostana in half a day.

Good sized madruno  came up on ebay a few months ago (a pair actually) and I'm kicking myself now that I didn't buy both, I doubt I'll get the chance again. Madruno is the Garcinia I have commonly seen referred to as 'lemon drop mangosteen'. I might try for some seed.

I've decided I'm going to grow all mine under the shade of the verandah for a very long time, it is simply too hot out here to do anything else. The Achacha was struggling, even with irrigation and a good amount of shade over the course of the light cycle. Luc's garcinia seem to respond very well to greenhouse conditions, both of mine have the beginnings of new foliage after having been relocated. I should really buy a decent sized walk-in, but my gardening budget seems to get chewed up pretty quickly on  procuring plants themselves....
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2014, 11:52:50 PM »
Madrono is not the same as lemon drop mangosteen. They are different species. The first is Garcinia madruno, the second Garcinia intermedia. Madrono is usually considered the better of the 2 in both taste and size.
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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2014, 03:14:59 AM »
From what I can figure from advice from a Brazilian collector the top American Garcinia include sweet madrono, luc's Mexican and Garcinia sp.bicuda with achachairu, some macrophylla, intermedia, common madrono and some gardneriana getting honourable mentions. Brasiliensis is very similar to gardneriana but has smaller fruit. There seem to be some undescribed or ones that can't be assigned to a known species that may be near the top for fruit quality.

Russell's sweet and prainiana and maybe some rarer sweet dulcis types are perhaps the best fruit of the Asian garcinias. None taste like mangosteen.

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2017, 09:38:45 PM »
From what I can figure from advice from a Brazilian collector the top American Garcinia include sweet madrono, luc's Mexican and Garcinia sp.bicuda with achachairu, some macrophylla, intermedia, common madrono and some gardneriana getting honourable mentions. Brasiliensis is very similar to gardneriana but has smaller fruit. There seem to be some undescribed or ones that can't be assigned to a known species that may be near the top for fruit quality.

Russell's sweet and prainiana and maybe some rarer sweet dulcis types are perhaps the best fruit of the Asian garcinias. None taste like mangosteen.

By the way where can i get seeds of garcinia sp bicuda?

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2018, 12:12:07 AM »
I love mangosteen and would like to grow something similar to it here in zone 9b. Does anyone know what type of Garcinia can be grown here in 9B ?

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Re: Closest garcinia to purple mangosteen I can grow in subtropics?
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2018, 11:37:07 PM »
I searched around and found that Excalibur Nursery down South Florida has some lemon drop mangosteen. Has anyone been able to grow this type in Zone 9B ? Im in Bradenton - Sarasota zone 9B.

 

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