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High rainfall == Low brix?
« on: May 29, 2018, 07:21:26 PM »
Most of my mangoes to date have been low in brix. Is anybody else noticing this? Is it due to the rain?
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 07:36:35 PM »
Almost everything I’be purchased has been subpar.  Even the usual standouts have been weak. Among 12 Lemon, not one worth eating.

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 07:50:27 PM »
Picked 2 Pim Saen Mun and both were tasteless.

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2018, 07:56:33 PM »
Every mango to date from my trees (Angie, Glenn, Rosigold, and a few Lemon Zest) has been relatively tasteless/bland. The LZ I can understand because what we've had so far was super early, but I'm definitely concerned about the total washout of flavor.

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2018, 08:55:37 PM »
It makes sense that high rainfall, lack of sun would affect brix. I bet the grape growers for the wine industry know a lot about this subject.
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2018, 09:17:05 PM »
OK. Thanks for the input. That sounds like what I've been noting on my own mangoes. Very subpar. Brix in the low teens across the board, with a couple of fruits cracking 15 degrees.
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2018, 09:34:10 PM »
Was commenting to my wife about this. She got all excited about the quantity after the cold snaps, but as soon as I saw all this precipitation I began to worry about the quality. Everything in my yard has been bland, even my Edwards. I have an absolutely loaded Glenn that I fear won’t be worth the headache to harvest.

Hope I’m wrong and the sun starts baking down the sugars...
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2018, 09:39:11 PM »
I think a lot of hot, sunny summer weather will eventually improve the quality of the fruit.  Summer hasn't even begun yet so have faith!  (But yes, an early Angie and an early Pickering were both not too sweet.)
« Last Edit: May 29, 2018, 09:42:35 PM by johnb51 »
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2018, 09:39:54 PM »
Assuming you have adequate minerals etc. ... here is some events that seem to influence sweetness.
Drought: How the Heat Intensifies Fruit and Vegetable Flavors | TIME ...
http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/27/are-your-fruits-and-veggies-bursting-with-flavor-thank-the-drought/
Here is a drought reported in 2012 that was interesting as it received large attention for the sweetness of their various crops. They were guessing various factors including: 1. plant stress   “When melons are under stress, there can be an increase in sugars and an accumulation of sucrose,” (for them stress was primarily reduction in water & increase heat) 2, Hotter temperatures (increase stress but probably internal ripening also facilitated)3. Increased sun exposure more photosynthesis vs. cloudy & rainy days.
For them in 2012:::“but the heat in the early part of the season has made the fruit special.”

Google search pulled up::: How to Sweeten Citrus Fruit 1.AVOID
growing citrus fruit in an area with COOL summers. (other factors normal growing advice & tree selection)

Expanding search lead to a study::: The optimum temperature range for photosynthesis
is 35-40ºC in sweet orange leaf discs...  ABSTRACT:::   http://www.scielo.br/pdf/cagro/v30n4/v30n4a12
(35C = 95F) They considered 35C optimum as plant damage to leaf discs above 35C

Thus my bet is that warmer temperatures & sunlight might be more important in increasing sweetness than water (rain) decreasing it... But with rain comes lower temperatures & less sunlight... so definitely related to each other and hard to tell the chicken vs. egg coming first........ Also, I do not seem to notice the lack of sweetness with the rains in July & August & I speculate it to be due to the higher temperatures later in year vs. now...


https://www.maximumyield.com/the-science-of-sweet-how-fruit-ripens/2/1300   =  standard description of ethylene gas minerals etc.
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2018, 10:29:58 PM »
Yes. I think the fruit will start to sweeten up in the next couple of weeks.

I think a lot of hot, sunny summer weather will eventually improve the quality of the fruit.  Summer hasn't even begun yet so have faith!  (But yes, an early Angie and an early Pickering were both not too sweet.)
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 11:23:55 PM »
Dwarf Hawaiian, Sunrise and Ah Ping are a couple that  have been resistant to washout so far.

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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2018, 12:11:54 AM »
Yes. I think the fruit will start to sweeten up in the next couple of weeks.

I think a lot of hot, sunny summer weather will eventually improve the quality of the fruit.  Summer hasn't even begun yet so have faith!  (But yes, an early Angie and an early Pickering were both not too sweet.)

I'm still about 3 weeks to a month before any of my trees are ready to harvest ...hopefully a more normalized summer pattern over the next month vs the wet May we've had will make a difference for me when I pick.
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2018, 06:21:53 AM »
Sounds like there is a negative factor in flavor when growing early varieties.

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2018, 09:17:21 AM »
Feeling lucky, as the Glenns coming off our tree taste good. Probably not too hi in brix, but not bad either (I don't have a brix meter). Definitely worth eating, still way better than the store or Farmers Market varieties.

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2018, 09:52:29 AM »
I just picked a few cogshalls from my tree and they didn't taste that washed out.
Certainly wasn't fully flavored but I enjoyed it enough to want to cut another one open

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2018, 10:26:03 AM »
My Cogshalls have been very good.

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2018, 12:11:47 PM »
Cogshalls have been bland here.
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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2018, 05:35:24 PM »
So far only my Glenn have been edible, and I say that because they're dropping with just a bit of shoulder color and ripening indoors. They are uncharacteristically juicy and like most of you are discovering less flavorful than in the past :-(

Thankfully everything else is staying on the tree and not nearly ready to eat... hoping for the best.

 
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2018, 05:52:08 PM »

Got to taste Ugly Betty, Lemon Meriingue, Carrie and Angie from my trees. UB was the best, followed by LM. None of the mangoes were bland, but the heavy rain that we have had seems to have some effect on taste.   

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2018, 10:14:06 PM »
Not sure mangoes but wax jambu taste bland during rainy season here.the  wax jambu which seems to produce sweeter fruit from countries with a definite dry season.maybe you can try growing kuini.it grows well here at my place with 3800mm of rain annually

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Re: High rainfall == Low brix?
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2018, 10:32:07 AM »
Ate an Alphonso when I got home last night and it was delicious.

 

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